Quran vs quranists
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I hope you wont add after the red word "through the courtesy of Bukhari and company", or "secretively".
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Oh you have revealed my second weapon, if you really do understand this verse, hahah, sorry this shows your ignorance , even the verses you can't understand them, what a shame .
Please can you speak about the subject, I'll make another Thread about this surah(Al-Qiyama) and the verses in it .
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So , not only do you not have the courtesy to re-read previous posts as you've been asked time and time again or the capacity to understand what a person is saying (deducing/comprehending from sentence to sentence and then as a whole) as you've been asked time and time again...you have the gall and audacity to cry no answer? Pal, you make the average "sunni" look good by contrast. We've had some decent discussions here, sunni, shia, sufi what not, but you are of a different ilk. Now that I've experienced this first-hand, I truly know what the others have been going through when they've entered into "discussions" with you.
I said why , read my thread , and if you disgaree bring proof from Quran as you claiming that it explains itself, use Quran , are you afraid of scandal you .
As I've been saying all along, the quran doesn't need your additions, it reads fine without it and there is no proof/evidence for "hikma outside the quran/after the quran in the quran pointing to the "sayings of the prophet" as part and parcel of some god given package deal that must be accepted or else" without you adding your own words to it. End of.what additions ? the real important word here is "HIkma" after the book of Allah and before the Gospel and the Torah and God said that it is for teaching .
Wise people can try to teach what they know, it doesn't follow that those they try to teach absorb the wisdom magically just by repeating stuff like a pirate parrot. It is a process of using one's god-given faculties...for the rest, read above.what do you mean ? am I giving you something not in Quran ? you follow Quran then answer by Quran and stop playing, I know what do you want, is to insult and be rude , so that you can banned me, sorry to disappoint you I'll not lose my temper . You did it before let alone you have tried to restrict me talking about hadith.
You've already lost the plot, you can keep your temper, s'okay.This is not the subject and I don't know what do you mean by simple concepts
It is the subject...there is no need for additions. The quran is easy to learn, complete and fully detailed and all we need for our spiritual salvation.OK , why ? and bring those (most of us) , the whole Quranist will not be more than 80.000 and goos knows.And I already defeat some of them.
Er, whatever.you tell me .
Ah you have the Quran , well let me just greet you by this verse
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the name of the surah is "At-tawba" the verses are 124-125 . Go look for the translators and what they said.
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So , not only do you not have the courtesy to re-read previous posts as you've been asked time and time again or the capacity to understand what a person is saying (deducing/comprehending from sentence to sentence and then as a whole) as you've been asked time and time again...you have the gall and audacity to cry no answer? Pal, you make the average "sunni" look good by contrast. We've had some decent discussions here, sunni, shia, sufi what not, but you are of a different ilk. Now that I've experienced this first-hand, I truly know what the others have been going through when they've entered into "discussions" with you.
As I've been saying all along, the quran doesn't need your additions, it reads fine without it and there is no proof/evidence for "hikma outside the quran/after the quran in the quran pointing to the "sayings of the prophet" as part and parcel of some god given package deal that must be accepted or else" without you adding your own words to it. End of.
Wise people can try to teach what they know, it doesn't follow that those they try to teach absorb the wisdom magically just by repeating stuff like a pirate parrot. It is a process of using one's god-given faculties...for the rest, read above.
You've already lost the plot, you can keep your temper, s'okay.
It is the subject...there is no need for additions. The quran is easy to learn, complete and fully detailed and all we need for our spiritual salvation.
Er, whatever.You don't answer neither in your hand to bring a verse proving what you said, as I see you never use a verse . ok I'm going to forget the old questions but I want just one to answer if Quran explain itself can you tell me about what God is talking about in this verse (17. It is for Us to collect it and to give you (O Muhammad م the ability to recite it (the Qur??n).) what God means by collect it ? and what he means by the ability to recite it? .
If it explain itself, I challenge you, just give me one opinion of you with justifying from Quran . And make it in another topic and be sure I'll scandal you .
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very interesting thread!
God sent down Al-Hikma i.e. the sunnah of the Prophet? and I thought that the book belonged to God and sunna to the prophet! confused
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You don't answer neither in your hand to bring a verse proving what you said, as I see you never use a verse . ok I'm going to forget the old questions but I want just one to answer if Quran explain itself can you tell me about what God is talking about in this verse (17. It is for Us to collect it and to give you (O Muhammad م the ability to recite it (the Qur??n).) what God means by collect it ? and what he means by the ability to recite it? .
If it explain itself, I challenge you, just give me one opinion of you with justifying from Quran . And make it in another topic and be sure I'll scandal you .
Oooh you'll... scandal me? Okay then, bring it on. I'm not making another topic for this, let this be a record of where your "discussions" go.
7516 MOVE NOT thy tongue in haste,
Muhammad Asad - End Note 6 (7516)
Lit., "Move not thy tongue therewith so that thou might hasten if" - the pronoun undoubtedly referring to the contents of revelation. In order to understand this parenthetic passage (verses 16-19) more fully, one should read it side by side with the related passage in 20114, together with the corresponding note 101. Both these passages are in the first instance addressed to the Prophet, who is said to have been afraid that he might forget some of the revealed words unless he repeated them at the very moment of revelation; but both have also a wider import inasmuch as they apply to every believer who reads, listens to or studies the Qur'an. In 20114 we are told not to draw hasty - and therefore potentially erroneous - conclusions from isolated verses or statements of the Qur'an, since only the study of the whole of its message can give us a correct insight. The present passage, on the other hand, lays stress on the need to imbibe the divine writ slowly, patiently, to give full thought to the meaning of every word and phrase, and to avoid the kind of haste which is indistinguishable from mechanical glibness, and which, moreover, induces the person who reads, recites or listens to it to remain satisfied with the mere beautiful sound of the Qur'anic language without understanding - or even paying adequate attention to - its message.7517 for, behold, it is for Us to gather it and to cause it to be read .7
Muhammad Asad - End Note 7 (7517)
I.e., "it is for Us to make thee remember it and to cause it to be read with mind and heart". As pointed out in the preceding note, the Qur'an can be understood only if it is read thoughtfully, as one integral whole, and not as a mere collection of moral maxims, stories or disjointed laws.7518 Thus, when We recite it, follow thou its wording 8
Muhammad Asad - End Note 8 (751
Lit., "follow thou its recitation", i.e., its message as expressed in words. Since it is God who reveals the Qur'an and bestows upon man the ability to understand it, He attributes its "recitation" to Himself.7519 and then, behold, it will be for Us to make its meaning clear.9
Muhammad Asad - End Note 9 (7519)
I.e., if the Qur'an is read ''as it ought to be read" (see note 7 above), it becomes - as stressed by Muhammad Abduh - "its own best commentary".I await the scandal me with much trepidation.
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Oooh you'll... scandal me? Okay then, bring it on. I'm not making another topic for this, let this be a record of where your "discussions" go.
I await the scandal me with much trepidation.
I'll not leave you destro my thread , are you afraid , I'm going to take and put it in another thread .
By the way are you "Muhammed Asaad" ??????????
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Oooh you'll... scandal me? Okay then, bring it on. I'm not making another topic for this, let this be a record of where your "discussions" go.
7516 MOVE NOT thy tongue in haste,
Muhammad Asad - End Note 6 (7516)
Lit., "Move not thy tongue therewith so that thou might hasten if" - the pronoun undoubtedly referring to the contents of revelation. In order to understand this parenthetic passage (verses 16-19) more fully, one should read it side by side with the related passage in 20114, together with the corresponding note 101. Both these passages are in the first instance addressed to the Prophet, who is said to have been afraid that he might forget some of the revealed words unless he repeated them at the very moment of revelation; but both have also a wider import inasmuch as they apply to every believer who reads, listens to or studies the Qur'an. In 20114 we are told not to draw hasty - and therefore potentially erroneous - conclusions from isolated verses or statements of the Qur'an, since only the study of the whole of its message can give us a correct insight. The present passage, on the other hand, lays stress on the need to imbibe the divine writ slowly, patiently, to give full thought to the meaning of every word and phrase, and to avoid the kind of haste which is indistinguishable from mechanical glibness, and which, moreover, induces the person who reads, recites or listens to it to remain satisfied with the mere beautiful sound of the Qur'anic language without understanding - or even paying adequate attention to - its message.7517 for, behold, it is for Us to gather it and to cause it to be read .7
Muhammad Asad - End Note 7 (7517)
I.e., "it is for Us to make thee remember it and to cause it to be read with mind and heart". As pointed out in the preceding note, the Qur'an can be understood only if it is read thoughtfully, as one integral whole, and not as a mere collection of moral maxims, stories or disjointed laws.7518 Thus, when We recite it, follow thou its wording 8
Muhammad Asad - End Note 8 (751
Lit., "follow thou its recitation", i.e., its message as expressed in words. Since it is God who reveals the Qur'an and bestows upon man the ability to understand it, He attributes its "recitation" to Himself.7519 and then, behold, it will be for Us to make its meaning clear.9
Muhammad Asad - End Note 9 (7519)
I.e., if the Qur'an is read ''as it ought to be read" (see note 7 above), it becomes - as stressed by Muhammad Abduh - "its own best commentary".I await the scandal me with much trepidation.
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By the way are you "Muhammed Asaad" ??????????
rotfl rotfl
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I'm gonna miss you bro!
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Destroy your thread? as if you need help. You refuse to stick to one subject, you consistently jump around from here to there and back again when you can't answer. That is why you'll be keeping this right here, so that all the readers in the future are privy to this little "quirk" of yours. Unless, this is what you term as your "winning strategy"...keep making different topics and claim you've trumped everyone because they've gotten lost in a maze where you're the king mouse.
Am I M. Asad? Heh, are you Bukhari? ;D
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Am I M. Asad? Heh, are you Bukhari? ;D
no, we are al-kitaab and al-hikmah! elhamdulillah! are you jealous?
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Np, Ayisha...hopefully it can only go upwards and onwards from here D.
Yes, RH...I'm jealous. Mighty jealous, so jealous that even a scandal me cannot make me stop posting tonight.
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This is the silly thing about words. All of them.
They can be dissected and reinterpreted and retranslated until the wool has been pulled so far over our eyes that we look like a bunch of dumb sheep on their way to the blade.
It happens in court rooms all the time.
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I have never read the claims of Sahfi and I've searched for the verse myself then I looked for it in some interpretation from some old and new scholars and as I said I was shocked because I found the same result and it is that Hikma is sunnah which by definition in hadith .
The word "HIKMA" in arabic has a lot of meanings other than wisdom . So think for the link and I hoped the best for you . Now it's up to you to follow what God said or what Satan said .
Shafi wrote a book on his position in arabic kitab jima3 a3lilm, look for it.
yeh my aim is to follow what God said thanks for the concern.
so you found a hadith that defines hikma as the sunnah? which hadith that explains the verses of the Quran, uses the word hikma that means the hadith/sunnah?
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TH1,
Keep to this topic. Thanks.
(A new thread merged with original so that we can keep related discussions in one place)