Quran vs quranists
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Am I M. Asad? Heh, are you Bukhari? ;D
no, we are al-kitaab and al-hikmah! elhamdulillah! are you jealous?
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Np, Ayisha...hopefully it can only go upwards and onwards from here D.
Yes, RH...I'm jealous. Mighty jealous, so jealous that even a scandal me cannot make me stop posting tonight.
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This is the silly thing about words. All of them.
They can be dissected and reinterpreted and retranslated until the wool has been pulled so far over our eyes that we look like a bunch of dumb sheep on their way to the blade.
It happens in court rooms all the time.
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I have never read the claims of Sahfi and I've searched for the verse myself then I looked for it in some interpretation from some old and new scholars and as I said I was shocked because I found the same result and it is that Hikma is sunnah which by definition in hadith .
The word "HIKMA" in arabic has a lot of meanings other than wisdom . So think for the link and I hoped the best for you . Now it's up to you to follow what God said or what Satan said .
Shafi wrote a book on his position in arabic kitab jima3 a3lilm, look for it.
yeh my aim is to follow what God said thanks for the concern.
so you found a hadith that defines hikma as the sunnah? which hadith that explains the verses of the Quran, uses the word hikma that means the hadith/sunnah?
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TH1,
Keep to this topic. Thanks.
(A new thread merged with original so that we can keep related discussions in one place)
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Is Hadith not verified ?
there is no proof whatsoever that hadith books are the words of prophet muhammad. show some unmistakeable and undeniable proof that the prophet said all these narrations??
you will now say in return....."please also show me that quran is the word of Allah?"
typical sunni/non muslim attitude eh
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Np, Ayisha...hopefully it can only go upwards and onwards from here D.
Yes, RH...I'm jealous. Mighty jealous, so jealous that even a scandal me cannot make me stop posting tonight.
who do you delete the thread that where I and you will debate ? >(
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I've merged it, silly rabbit. Now debate.
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the fact that the word al-hikmah so often comes right after alkitab, it clearly means that Allah is telling us that it is an inhernet attribute of the book itself. it is so retarded to believe that it means "some other rules/regulations" unrelated and outside of the book that were to come 200 years later...lol
surely arabic words have many meanings but every meaning has to be used in context...not out of it.
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Shafi wrote a book on his position in arabic kitab jima3 a3lilm, look for it.
Thanks for the information, I read the part where he mention that HIKMA is sunnah . so what do you say ?
yeh my aim is to follow what God said thanks for the concern.
You're welcome.
so you found a hadith that defines hikma as the sunnah?
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Look at what the prophet " I've been given the Quran and one ressemble to him" the word is in red and you can look for it in Sahih Muslims and Sahih Bukhari .and Typucally as God said "The book and the wisdom" .
which hadith that explains the verses of the Quran, uses the word hikma that means the hadith/sunnah?
there is no hadith explain this verse, you(me and you and the whole Muslim) must understand it, and see above there is hadith talks about the same situation the saying of the prophet that he was given the Quran and one ressemble to it(like him) .
HIKMA means the orders of the prophet, the saying of him, his reports, his deeds, his way of speaking who they are registred in hadith.
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I've merged it, silly rabbit. Now debate.
No, I'll not leave you destroy this thread, this your nightmare . As It seems that you don't have a word or an opinion from your mind running to look for Asaad inetrpretation .
by the way I didn't use any hadith of Bukhari and the thread, so you're barking the wrong tree . I used Quran so answer by Quran .
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there is no proof whatsoever that hadith books are the words of prophet muhammad. show some unmistakeable and undeniable proof that the prophet said all these narrations??
you will now say in return....."please also show me that quran is the word of Allah?"
typical sunni/non muslim attitude eh
Until you understand what God said in his book, then you can speak .
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the fact that the word al-hikmah so often comes right after alkitab, it clearly means that Allah is telling us that it is an inhernet attribute of the book itself. it is so retarded to believe that it means "some other rules/regulations" unrelated and outside of the book that were to come 200 years later...lol
surely arabic words have many meanings but every meaning has to be used in context...not out of it.
Sunnah never came after 200 years later, it is written in the existence of the prophet but it is gathered later, Bukhari after 200 years later just clasified it and make the sahih book .
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No, I'll not leave you destroy this thread, this your nightmare . As It seems that you don't have a word or an opinion from your mind running to look for Asaad inetrpretation .
Don't play dense deliberately. Does the interpretation of the verses just from the quran offend you? You asked for it and you got it. Even if there was no Asad around, it's an easy series of verses to understand but I suppose you're from the camp that insist that the quran cannot be explained by itself. Contradicting the quran itself. What a pity.by the way I didn't use any hadith of Bukhari and the thread, so you're barking the wrong tree . I used Quran so answer by Quran .
Don't play dense deliberately. You run to any source outside the quran to explain the quran every chance you get, bukhari et al are your lifeline. Just read your op! lol, is this myopia or selective amnesia. I did what you asked, so can you now, please respond...using the quran and only the quran what that series of verses means? Remember, you were going to scandal me? I got a cold coke zero, settled myself in and now you won't play? Not fair. -
who do you delete the thread that where I and you will debate ? >(
this is only the beginning my friend! you don't know the power muscle
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No, I'll not leave you destroy this thread, this your nightmare . As It seems that you don't have a word or an opinion from your mind running to look for Asaad inetrpretation .
by the way I didn't use any hadith of Bukhari and the thread, so you're barking the wrong tree . I used Quran so answer by Quran .
yes you did, in the post directly before you posted this. Dont you know the difference between Quran and hadith? You used hadith to verify hadith! rotfl
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Yes, yes RH. I got the touch, I got the power, after all is said and done, I've never walked, I've never run...I'm a winner. (transformers...I thought it was apt).
Now go away and let the lion awaken
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http//Reformer-HIKMA means the orders of the prophet, the saying of him, his reports, his deeds, his way of speaking who they are registred in hadith.
And Allah says pointedly
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And whoever does not decide/command what Allah has sent
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then they are the people who are in fact the non-believers/the rejecters.Chapter5