Is God a Man?
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Peace OPF,
Again, that concept is nonsensical. Why would Allah say, 'If this happens, then you'll see me,' if there's no possible way that Moses could see Him at all? That sounds pretty paradoxical to me, as well as implying a tremendous waste of words and energy. He may as well have just stuck with the "you can't see me" statement, since it makes a lot more sense based on what you're saying. Are you more knowledgeable that God?
Peace,
God is saying "You WILL not see me. However, look at the mountain. IF that mountain stays in its place THEN you will see me". These statements do not disagree and they are one after other. Is it a waste of words/energy to a God who commands an infinite number of words/energy? Not really. However Moses believes that God is anthropomorphic in some way and clearly not. Look at it from Moses' point of view, he asks the almighty to show himself, the almighty responds in that manner then BOOM, Moses is floored and knocked out. He wakes up to a powderised mountain and asks forgiveness of Allah. God can do what the hell he likes, you are asking me "are you more knowledgeable than God" and you are questioning why he put those words in that way in the first place, that is ridiculous and somewhat hypocritical.
I presume that Moses already knows in some way that Allah is not as such but he wants to be sure in the same way that a disbeliever thinks a "sign of God" must be a miracle. Hence the statement worded in such a way and the fact that he asks for repentance. In your lottery analogy, this would be akin to God saying "You cannot play this imaginary number in the REAL lottery. If you would like to see it for yourself, then play the lottery. If your imaginary number comes up, then you win a million dollars". Of course, Moses plays the imaginary number then realises he didn't win a million dollars.
By the way, the Qur'aanic story is strikingly similar to the Biblical story of Moses requesting to see Allah's face, and he was told that one can't see God's face and live. As an alternative, Allah showed Himself to a mountain, causing it to crumble, and He 'went past Moses', to the point of Moses seeing His "back". His back! What's God doing with a "BACK" if He doesn't have a front, or a physical composition at all?
I am not going to comment on biblical stories just as I care not for ahadeeth. There may be truth in them but I don't believe it is worth trawling through the falsehood.
It's not just the Qur'aan that forms that type of anthropomorphic presentation of Allah; it's the Bible too! In fact, all the ancient scriptures depicted the Almighty Supreme Being as having a physical body, even to the point of the Kabbalists making the statement, "Man is God on Earth, and God is Man in Heaven." These aren't symbolic or (metaphorically) metaphysical depictions; they're literal, physical descriptions of Allah, presented as having human-like features. The ancient people weren't confused on this issue, so why are you? Hell, the most adamant Islamic disputers of Allah's physicality that I've encountered are Sunni Muslims, and even they've been forced to acknowledge the parts of the hadiyths that speak of humans, in the hereafter, seeing Allah's "THIGH". At the very least, this shows that earlier Muslims, during the time of the hadiyth collections, believed that Allah had some type of physical form that included 'thighs'. The Wahhabi Muslims are at least on a realistic stance, confirming that Allah indeed has a physical body; but He is either too powerful for us to see with our physical eyes, or He is so far away from us (on the physical plane) that we can't detect Him. Either way, God's state of being "anthropomorphic" is without question. If you study the scriptures intently, then you will come to the same conclusion.
Peace!
That does not mean that an anthropomorphic deity is what exists in reality. Nor does it mean that ancient scriptures are interpreted correctly. Check out my post here as stated (http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600468.msg248924#msg248924).
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Peace,
God is saying "You WILL not see me. However, look at the mountain. IF that mountain stays in its place THEN you will see me". These statements do not disagree and they are one after other. Is it a waste of words/energy to a God who commands an infinite number of words/energy? Not really. However Moses believes that God is anthropomorphic in some way and clearly not. Look at it from Moses' point of view, he asks the almighty to show himself, the almighty responds in that manner then BOOM, Moses is floored and knocked out. He wakes up to a powderised mountain and asks forgiveness of Allah. God can do what the hell he likes, you are asking me "are you more knowledgeable than God" and you are questioning why he put those words in that way in the first place, that is ridiculous and somewhat hypocritical.
its just that, for some reasons, God didn't want Moses to see Him! otherwise it is not difficult for God to make anyone able to see Him!
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Peace Guest,
You are forming this conclusion based on a preconceived notion. In reality, you are GUESSING; you are not speaking from the bounds of "TRUTH" because you don't KNOW if your position is right or wrong... Here's something to reason on Assumptions do NOT equal facts. You're comparing His world to our world, when, in reality, they are the same thing.
Peace!
Peace AB,
The Earth as it exists today is NOT a heaven. The Earth is full of chaos, diseases, injustice, ....unlike heaven. Therefore, Earth and Heavens are separate entities.
My position on domains is supported by the following Quranic verses
5533 - O you jinns and humans, if you can penetrate the outer limits of the heavens and the earth, go ahead and penetrate. You cannot penetrate without authorization.
5535 - You get bombarded with projectiles of fire and metal, and you cannot win.
378 - They cannot spy on the High Society; they get bombarded from every side.
729 - " `We used to sit there in order to spy. Anyone who listens is pursued by a powerful projectile.
These verses suggests that our Earth and heavens are separated by a barrier. This is what I am calling domains.
The concept of single domain gives rise to severe conflicts and contradiction. I need time to put my thought together on this issue.
I need to ponder how the below verse relates to the two domain theory
5517 - Lord of the two easts and the two wests.
I think the below two verses may apply to the subject as well.
12 - Praise be to God, the Lord of the worlds.
23 - who believe in the unseen, observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), and from our provisions to them, they give to charity.
That's all for now.
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I invite and encourage everyone in this forum to go and read the Tao Te Qing...
(with a mind not open to hostility, and remembering that the Dalai Lama was once formally escorted by Muslims)
...and then go back and read your Quran.Just for kicks?
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Looks like Jafar is already on it.
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Peace AB, here are some more thoughts on the subject.
Quote from AB ?You're comparing His world to our world, when, in reality, they are the same thing.?
2130 ? Do the unbelievers not realize that the heavens and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe?
This verse clearly explains that the God was outside the domain of heavens and earth when He initiated the creation of heavens and earth. This is a necessary condition in order to be the creator of heavens and earth This negates the ?same thing? or the one domain understanding. Just like we exist in the earthly domain, therefore, we could not have created the earth. This is the conflict and contradiction I mentioned in my previous post on this thread. In my opinion, the first domain consist of seven heavens and the second domains is the earth. I have no knowledge of why and how He exists in the original domain. From reasoning I accept He exist. He is able to go from one domain to another domain but we cannot do that without His permission. According to the Quran, after creation of heaven and earth, He established His throne in the first domain (7 heavens) i.e. He moved from the original domain and eliminated the barrier between original and the first domain. I thank Him for creating me and giving me the knowledge to reason. I glorify Him day and night to the extent I can and I submit myself to Him.
Since the God created the heavens and earth, He is in total control of everything in them. He is fully aware of everything that exist in these domains. There is no escape from them nor can we hide from Him. That's why He has the attribute of omnipresence. If we were able to hide from Him (on earth or in the space) then we don't have to worship Him.
Quote from AB ?If you want to base your interpretation of this subject as being factual, then show us the place in the Qur'aan where it says that Allah has "metaphorical hands", "metaphorical eyes", a "metaphorical back", or any other metaphorical body parts. If you can't do this, then there's no way you can prove that the physical composition of Allah, as described in the Qur'aan, is not literal.?
I am not at liberty to equate human hands to the God's hands because that's makes Him relative and not absolute which violates verse 1122 ? The Absolute God. They are different.
Quote from AB ?Again, that is a paradoxical argument. If Allah is omnipresent, then what caused the mountain to crumble? In reality, mountains don't just crumble without explanation. There are a few reasons why the mountain may have crumbled, based on the implications in the Qur'aan, but all of them imply Him being a REAL BEING, possessing a physical body of some sort. I don't know how you reached the conclusion of "THIS MEANS GOD IS OMNIPRESENT." But your argument doesn't imply Allah's omnipresence at all; in fact, it doesn't even imply His omniscience, since, based on His statement of 'if this happens, then this will happen,' (i.e. 'if the mountain can stand it, then you can see me' then it appears as if He doesn't actually know whether or not Moses will be able see Him. Plus, it produces another major paradox. Why would Allah say that if the mountain remains, then Moses can SEE Him? That is a pointless statement if God is not a physical reality and/or if He's omnipresent, since it would be physically impossible for anybody to see (or detect) Allah, since He's everywhere. That's like me saying, "If you play this number in the lottery, then you'll win one million dollars!" That statement would be completely nonsensical if there was no real lottery, or if there was no way you could possibly win it. In order for Allah's statement to make sense, there would've had to have been some chance, however slight, that Moses could actually see God in a physical form.?
On earth physical body implies severe limitation. That's why I will not assign physical attribute to the God. The main point of the verse in question is that the God did not materialized (IF .. THEN conditional statement shows this clearly). Thus there is no physical form of God as we understand it. The God told Moses that he cannot see Him because there is no earthly form that can depict Him. It is reasonable to say that Moses made an unreasonable demand. But since Moses is an obedient servant of God, the God did not say no to his request ought-right. In past the God honored similar request of Abraham (giving life e.g. birds) and Jesus (meal from heaven). The God already told Moses that he cannot see Him i.e. the God knew the outcome.
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Actually I presume that in the arabic itself the terminology is such that the universe was one BEFORE (as Yusuf Ali translates) God now acting as the We-ness split them apart. In the second "instant" of time, God changes from an I-ness to a We-ness so it is completely valid that the term "We" is used. The entity that was there "before" is God in all his glory, the I-ness/oneness, completely incomprehensible to us mortals. There is therefore no negation of the "one domain" understanding.
Another thing is that it is useless to consider hypotheticals. For instance in string theory you get an insane number of "parallel universes" and in the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics you get many worlds (which perhaps is valid but the God is the only entity that sees these "many worlds". They have one thing in common, they are hypotheticals and inherently lie outside of the boundaries of falsifiability. Yet God says in the quran, use your reasoning and logic when comprehending things, and this means falsifiability is an inherent rule.
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Peace Guest,
2130 ? Do the unbelievers not realize that the heavens and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe?
We're talking about two completely different things. I'm talking about "heaven" equating to the state of being/mind that one achieves in obedience to Allah. You're talking about the physical sky and/or a place where people go after they die... Allah doesn't live in the sky; He lives in "heaven". The heaven I'm speaking of is within oneself, when one reaches an indivisible closeness with Allah. As the Biblical Jesus said, "The Kingdom of God is within you." The essence of Allah is within all of us, being anthropomorphic because it manifests itself within our own souls. However, the total formation of Allah is anthropomorphic because, in establishing Himself as the ruler on a mighty and exalted throne, He established Himself in "human form" (or He made humans in "God form", in His image)... In other words, Allah has a physical body that looks like ours, but His "spirit" resides in Man, making the original Man the "God on Earth", Allah's khalifa on this plane of existence.
Tell me this How can Allah be omnipresent (present within everything) if the Qur'aan says that He caused the Universe to explode and divide/separate itself? Does this mean that Allah exploded/imploded Himself? What was present before the heavens and the Earth were joined into one mass? Where exactly was Allah back then?
The Earth as it exists today is NOT a heaven. The Earth is full of chaos, diseases, injustice, ....unlike heaven. Therefore, Earth and Heavens are separate entities.
These verses suggests that our Earth and heavens are separated by a barrier. This is what I am calling domains.
Well, are the heavens (skies) and the Earth separated by a barrier? What is this barrier, and at what point can we cross it? How do you know that those factors, i.e. the ones you named as "earthly", don't exist in the heaven you're talking about? What is "heaven" to one person is oftentimes "hell" to another person.
Peace!
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Peace OPF,
God is saying "You WILL not see me. However, look at the mountain. IF that mountain stays in its place THEN you will see me". These statements do not disagree and they are one after other. Is it a waste of words/energy to a God who commands an infinite number of words/energy? Not really. However Moses believes that God is anthropomorphic in some way and clearly not. Look at it from Moses' point of view, he asks the almighty to show himself, the almighty responds in that manner then BOOM, Moses is floored and knocked out. He wakes up to a powderised mountain and asks forgiveness of Allah. God can do what the hell he likes, you are asking me "are you more knowledgeable than God" and you are questioning why he put those words in that way in the first place, that is ridiculous and somewhat hypocritical.
I presume that Moses already knows in some way that Allah is not as such but he wants to be sure in the same way that a disbeliever thinks a "sign of God" must be a miracle. Hence the statement worded in such a way and the fact that he asks for repentance. In your lottery analogy, this would be akin to God saying "You cannot play this imaginary number in the REAL lottery. If you would like to see it for yourself, then play the lottery. If your imaginary number comes up, then you win a million dollars". Of course, Moses plays the imaginary number then realises he didn't win a million dollars.
Is this what Allah said, or is this YOUR INTERPRETATION of what the scripture says? What makes you so sure that your idea is correct while mine is wrong?
And again, assuming that Allah has no physical body, your explanation doesn't explain how or why the mountain crumbled. You're saying that Allah said, 'If the mountain remains, then you'll see me,' and then He just destroyed the mountain? What point would that prove to Moses? 'I have no physical body because I can destroy a mountain'?
I am not going to comment on biblical stories just as I care not for ahadeeth. There may be truth in them but I don't believe it is worth trawling through the falsehood.
Allah says to look in the previous scriptures, which include the Bible, if we don't understand something in the Qur'aan. And it just so happens that EVERY scripture in all ancient civilizations describe Allah as being anthropomorphic. All-encompassing, invisible, formless spiritual deities didn't exist until the Grecian period in the development of modern Judaism and Christianity... Enough said.
Either Muhammad was teaching contrary to what the ancient prophets taught, or you have a misunderstanding of the Qur'aan. If both the Qur'aan AND the previous scriptures are correct in their description of God, then those are the only two ways this idea can be understood.
Peace!
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Peace OPF,
Is this what Allah said, or is this YOUR INTERPRETATION of what the scripture says? What makes you so sure that your idea is correct while mine is wrong?
The reality is that neither you or I know what is going on behind our heads let alone anything about the bigger picture. So of course it is my interpretation. I cannot ever be 100% sure (or can I!) that either of us is correct. However my interpretation makes more logical sense to me.
And again, assuming that Allah has no physical body, your explanation doesn't explain how or why the mountain crumbled. You're saying that Allah said, 'If the mountain remains, then you'll see me,' and then He just destroyed the mountain? What point would that prove to Moses? 'I have no physical body because I can destroy a mountain'?
Allah does not have a physical body but he can crumble the mountain. However the concept of "Allah" having a physical body is fundamentally unfalsifiable since the dude cannot be seen! Hence such a question is pointless. Physical body or not, it doesn't matter! So if it works for you to think in that way, then fair enough. However don't let it mislead you. It automatically places limits on your interpretation of scripture and those limits have the power to majorly misguide.
I think that "Allah", physical body or not, can compute things very well. And thing he happens to be very very good at computing is waveforms. You send the right waveform at something, it will crumble by itself (human example bomb). So do you think Allah who created this whole damn thing lacks this power when we already have a very crude version of it by his grace?
So what makes me so sure? The manner in which Allah "creates" and "speaks", you could translate the "words" to a human equivalent but they are probably vibrations of some incredible complexity which we cannot comprehend (in contrast, our speech is simply a case of air moving back and forth in a certain shape). Also, if Allah is a single anthropomorphic God then why would he use "We" so often in the quran?
Allah says to look in the previous scriptures, which include the Bible, if we don't understand something in the Qur'aan. And it just so happens that EVERY scripture in all ancient civilizations describe Allah as being anthropomorphic. All-encompassing, invisible, formless spiritual deities didn't exist until the Grecian period in the development of modern Judaism and Christianity... Enough said.
Allah also says to listen to his book first and use them as a criterion. If previous scriptures disagree with the quran then they clearly are not very quranic. And how do you know for sure that every scripture so describes Allah as anthropomorphic? Are you sure it isn't just translation and human preconception of Allah as an anthropomorphic entity?
Either Muhammad was teaching contrary to what the ancient prophets taught, or you have a misunderstanding of the Qur'aan. If both the Qur'aan AND the previous scriptures are correct in their description of God, then those are the only two ways this idea can be understood.
Peace!
You say "If both the quran and the previous scriptures are correct in their description of God", keyword = IF. I would assume that the previous scriptures WERE correct in their description and the quran, having been preserved is always correct, but the ancient scriptures have been distorted via translations. In 691 it is said that the book of Moses has been split apart and some parts have been concealed. The quran in essence states that prior scriptures are correct (word of God, word of man) EXCEPT where they contradict the quran.
Tell me this How can Allah be omnipresent (present within everything) if the Qur'aan says that He caused the Universe to explode and divide/separate itself? Does this mean that Allah exploded/imploded Himself? What was present before the heavens and the Earth were joined into one mass? Where exactly was Allah back then?
I would indeed say so! But consider this, in that initial singularity (which I interpret as "Allah", the divine I) there is the potential for an infinite number of configurations of energy. This would make "Allah" all-knowing. This universe we live in is a single set of configurations of that boundless energy, that is to say that for all intents and purposes that singularity has never "split" but rather we exist inside of that singularity and in that particular configuration so we see the splitting. In the quran Allah switches between "I" and "We" but there is not a single instance where the "We" should be an "I" or a "He". When the "I" is invoked then I interpret it to mean the Whole and when the "We" is invoked, this is the individual parts of the greater I doing their thing.
Allah is ALWAYS "everywhere" where "where" and "every" are definable, and Allah is ALWAYS all-knowing where "all" and "knowing" are definable. Consider looking at these "all-X" terms in a logical manner, the paradoxes are very easy to iron out when you realise that each time you have a "paradox" you have made an error in logic/definition somewhere.
With the I/We interpretation, it is only logical that there can be one divine I and no more, no less.
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Another thing is that it is useless to consider hypotheticals. For instance in string theory you get an insane number of "parallel universes" and in the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics you get many worlds (which perhaps is valid but the God is the only entity that sees these "many worlds". They have one thing in common, they are hypotheticals and inherently lie outside of the boundaries of falsifiability. Yet God says in the quran, use your reasoning and logic when comprehending things, and this means falsifiability is an inherent rule.
Peace OPF,
In my opinion, your approach of understanding God and His system (creation) using falsifiability or refutability is wrong. It is a man made definition and therefore you must analyze its truthfulness and consistency against God's revelation. If it pass this test then accept it.
For example, "all men are mortal" is unfalsifiable, since no finite amount of observation could ever demonstrate its falsehood that one or more men can live forever.
From Quran we know that men has body and soul and the soul live forever. Thus men live forever. Otherwise there is no concept of God and accountability. And this is not true. Therefore, we should shun the falsifiable approach or you should rethink about the approach.
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Incorrect. All men are mortal is more than falsifiable. All men have one thing in common, DNA. As we know from past generations, all living things MUST die. To falsify that statement, one would have to prove that in the DNA coding is the ability to adapt to any environmental stimulus concievable, and hence that is immortality. However we already know that DNA stores a finite amount of information far less than enough to encode for every single possible environment. It would require putting this all into the language of abstract mathematics and the equations would be obscene beyond measure but the statement is definitely falsifiable.
The nature of the universe is that ALL statements are in some way falsifiable except for those that talk about things "outside the universe" and that of course, is the very definition of falsifiability. Also most people use this silly notion to justify their belief in clearly falsifiable statements in the first place.
Falsifiability is already in the quran, Allah tells us not to enter into vain discourses about the unseen. Unseen = unfalsifiable.
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Peace AB,
Red lines are AB's quote
AB Tell me this How can Allah be omnipresent (present within everything) if the Qur'aan says that He caused the Universe to explode and divide/separate itself?
He is fully aware of the mass before explosion and fully aware of all the pieces of masses after explosion. Nothing escaped Him.
AB Does this mean that Allah exploded/imploded Himself?
No, only the solid mass, He is aware of them before and after the explosion.
AB What was present before the heavens and the Earth were joined into one mass?
Him and His creation e.g. the solid mass for sure, may be more things (opinion)
AB Where exactly was Allah back then?
Here is the answer from the Quran
2255 - GOD there is no other god besides Him, the Living, the Eternal. Never a moment of unawareness or slumber overtakes Him. To Him belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth. Who could intercede with Him, except in accordance with His will? He knows their past, and their future. No one attains any knowledge, except as He wills. His dominion encompasses the heavens and the earth, and ruling them never burdens Him. He is the Most High, the Great.
AB Well, are the heavens (skies) and the Earth separated by a barrier?
Yes, per Quran.
AB What is this barrier, and at what point can we cross it?
It has already been crossed by Prophet Muhammad with His permission of course.
AB How do you know that those factors, i.e. the ones you named as "earthly", don't exist in the heaven you're talking about?
Earth type entity does not exist in heaven because it contains injustice, diseases and other horrible things. The God would not tolerate earthly chaos in the heaven.
AB What is "heaven" to one person is oftentimes "hell" to another person.
This is not Quranic. According to Quran, there are seven heavens and another domain that contain earth. The distinction between heavens and earth very clear in the Quran.
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Peace AB,
AB What was present before the heavens and the Earth were joined into one mass?Him and His creation e.g. the solid mass for sure, may be more things (opinion)
IMO "Allah" is one with his creation (and so he knows us inside out), and what he asks us to be at one with him. An interesting thing is that there is a celestial boundary for our universe (our light cone), we can see around 47 billion light years in each direction but the light from each side has decreased in frequency 4-fold so we know the age of this 96 billion lightyear diameter sphere is merely 13.7 billion years. If Allah is infinite and he is one with his creation then the creation is assuredly infinite.
An interesting consequence of the light cone is that as time goes on, the potential for new creation will increase indefinitely as long as we live in a flat universe (the average density = 0). However the light cone is such that God is eternally the limiting factor; because he lies on the boundary of time itself looking inward, he can modify the rules of space and time even despite the fact that the rules of physics that he has implemented for us are constant, and that is because God is faster than anything else concievable, he is indeed the best of plotters!
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IMO "Allah" is one with his creation (and so he knows us inside out), and what he asks us to be at one with him. An interesting thing is that there is a celestial boundary for our universe (our light cone), we can see around 47 billion light years in each direction but the light from each side has decreased in frequency 4-fold so we know the age of this 96 billion lightyear diameter sphere is merely 13.7 billion years. If Allah is infinite and he is one with his creation then the creation is assuredly infinite.
Peace OPF,
Allah is not at one with His creation. He is the creator and everything else is created. He ask us to worship Him and do good (shun satan). Allah is Alpha and Omega and we are finite and limited then how can we be at one with Him. We have a beginning but Allah does not. We are severely limited but not Allah. He creates, we cannot (giving life). He is just, we are not. How can the wicked be at one with Him? You are contradicting yourself.
573 - He is the Alpha and the Omega. He is the Outermost and the Innermost. He is fully aware of all things.
296 - Those who strive, strive for their own good. GOD is in no need of anyone.
1967 - Did the human being forget that we created him already, and he was nothing?
How can "nothing" be at one with Him. This makes Allah nothing.
3516 - If He wills, He can get rid of you and substitute a new creation.
How can something that can be rid off be at one with Him. Are you saying Allah can be rid off?
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Peace OPF,
Allah is not at one with His creation. He is the creator and everything else is created. He ask us to worship Him and do good (shun satan). Allah is Alpha and Omega and we are finite and limited then how can we be at one with Him. We have a beginning but Allah does not. We are severely limited but not Allah. He creates, we cannot (giving life). He is just, we are not. How can the wicked be at one with Him? You are contradicting yourself.
573 - He is the Alpha and the Omega. He is the Outermost and the Innermost. He is fully aware of all things.
296 - Those who strive, strive for their own good. GOD is in no need of anyone.
1967 - Did the human being forget that we created him already, and he was nothing?
How can "nothing" be at one with Him. This makes Allah nothing.
3516 - If He wills, He can get rid of you and substitute a new creation.
How can something that can be rid off be at one with Him. Are you saying Allah can be rid off?
For one, you do not know the creation of Allah, all you see is what "he" lets you see. Keep that in mind, again that is limited by the speed of light and its rules. Do you think you can destroy the universe or create anything within it? Indeed we have no power whatsoever to destroy energy (a fundamental law of the universe is conservation of information hence aspects of physics are analogous to information theory).
As for 1967 look at the statement. There was no such creation as a "human being" up until a couple of million years ago. However all his energy was still there, just not in that shape (in the materials that were used to create Earth).
How can God be the Alpha and the Omega, and also the Outermost and Innermost? God is simply the first and last event in space and time, time only goes on for eternity. God also lies on the boundary of everything, "he" encompasses it all. Remember that "he" is the knower of the seen and unseen (5922 and 5924). Keep in mind that there is no such thing as an "absolute time", the only time is "now" and this is mediated by the constancy of the speed of light. Wherever you are in the universe and however fast you are going relative to something else, light is always faster than you.
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Peace,
Maybe God is formed of dark matter which scientists claim that it is holding the universe together and without it the universe will fade away, that is interestingly the same description of what God is doing in the Quran. Could it be what Moses saw is a matter/antimatter annihilation reaction when God approached the mountain?
Is God extremely dark but when he removes the barrier react with matter and become luminescent? Physics of antimatter could be different which could explain the mysteriousness of God.
Just a thought.
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For one, you do not know the creation of Allah, all you see is what "he" lets you see. Keep that in mind, again that is limited by the speed of light and its rules. Do you think you can destroy the universe or create anything within it? Indeed we have no power whatsoever to destroy energy (a fundamental law of the universe is conservation of information hence aspects of physics are analogous to information theory).
As for 1967 look at the statement. There was no such creation as a "human being" up until a couple of million years ago. However all his energy was still there, just not in that shape (in the materials that were used to create Earth).
Peace OPF,
Keep in mind that God created the light, therefore, He can make it go faster or slower if He so chooses. I DO NOT accept your implied assertion that the God is limited by the speed of light. That limitation is for earthly domain. This is also true for the law of conservation of energy. And this is validated by the verse
1967 - Did the human being forget that we created him already, and he was nothing?
Nothing is not equal to energy. Therefore, your hypothesis is false.
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Peace OPF,
Keep in mind that God created the light, therefore, He can make it go faster or slower if He so chooses. I DO NOT accept your implied assertion that the God is limited by the speed of light. That limitation is for earthly domain. This is also true for the law of conservation of energy. And this is validated by the verse
1967 - Did the human being forget that we created him already, and he was nothing?
Nothing is not equal to energy. Therefore, your hypothesis is false.
Yes, God is all-powerful but consider what all-powerful means within the limits of our reality. For instance, the limits of our reality say that there is no such thing as a square circle. Do you know why there is no such thing as a "square circle"? Because "a square circle" is not a truthful phrase, it is evident falsehood, it is like saying 2+2=5. God created the universe this way, not ANY OTHER way. So stick to reality, follow the quran in 308 if you claim to believe. However, God could have created the universe in a different way in which the speed of light as we percieve is different. However that is a different universe. In fact, the only thing that would be different is the proportioning of that particular universe.
God is not "limited by the speed of light", God IS the light (2435, 2435, see 2435, if you haven't seen 2435 then you will be perpetually blind). Rather, we are limited by the speed of light, God is what limits US, no limits can we place on the One who created us. Now when I say light, I am not talking about merely the visible spectrum but rather, information/truth; this is "light" in the truest sense of the quranic word. Light mediates every single interaction and is the rate limiting step in EVERY single interaction (consider 817). Additionally, you do not grasp what the speed of light is. While we think of it as merely "299,792,458m/s" which implies that there is such a thing as "299,792,459m/s" (there is NOT), the definition of a meter is indeed the reverse of that. For all intents and purposes, the "speed of light" is INFINITE to us (look up rapidity). If you throw a human into a nuclear reactor and transform him into pure energy then perhaps he can travel as fast as god. Of course, then he is no longer anything worth mentioning, you sure as hell are not going to define those photons as a "human".
If you check out the equations of special relativity, you will notice that light occupies the most powerful position concievable to us (and far beyond). We can Lorentz transform from the perspective of massive objects (creation) to other massive objects but there is no such transform to the "point of view" of a photon. That is to say, they operate outside of time, you can think of them as having a start and end point but they do not "travel" in any sense. Indeed, photons are what actually mediate time and hence "speed". In addition, nothing created (i.e. mass) can travel faster than the speed of truth. In such a way, Einstein's famous equation of E=(m0c^2)^2+(pc)^2 is equivalent to saying that God is the greatest.
Please keep your mind within the same rational reality that it operates in, we know nothing else and nor can we ever. If you wish to rely on "God" as some unfalsifiable entity, you will never have certainty in faith, there will always be doubt in your mind and there is good reason for that, unfalsifiable entities have no credibility or power whatsoever to do anything, they are idols. Yet the quran points out many examples of signs of God in the universe, all of them are falsifiable.
Yet again, there was no such thing as a "human being" prior to our existence. The total amount of energy assigned by God to "human beings" prior to our existence is a grand total of... zero. When you keep in mind that God is the light of the universe, you only need to open your eyes to be reminded of his eternal presence (and for those who intend to use their god given brains, they only need to remember that they exist), there is no thinking "God is nowhere to be seen so I'm cool, let me transgress" because God is EVERYWHERE to be seen, you really cannot run away from this dude, even in the most literal way. The faster you run away from God, the harder it gets for you!