Physics proving the god
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Salaam OPF,
every atom in this physical existence demonstrates perpetual motion, everything is moving, only the confusion of the media propagated model would present the opposite, and have people believe it to be true.
Peace;
Yes, they demonstrate "perpetual motion". However the "perpetual motion" of an atom is very different, it is merely vibrating at a defined energy level and no work is done; indeed if they were in perpetual motion the electron would spin into the nucleus. Real perpetual motion can be defined as converting one form of energy completely to another form. Or another way to produce perpetual motion is to pull some energy out of your ass to compensate for the inefficiency of the process. Consider 2273, this verse has proven to be true via energy conservation and mass-energy equivalence.
A magnet does produce endless energy from nothing, all dynamo utilise this property, the Zionists use energy to spin the magnets past each other, but this is a primitive method of utilising magnetic fields to convert the time field into the electrical field.
You fail to understand the difference between "work" and "potential". A magnet always has a potential surrounding it and work is done when something interacts with this potential; the existence of a potential does not imply any work is being carried out and this is the same as on the atomic scale. I should have known, that when I spent half my childhood fiddling about with electric motors and magnets that it wasn't me playing around, the Zionists did it &!
There are many laughable examples of conventional physics that have no proof, and plenty of evidence against them, as an example take the Sun, or any star, they say that they are nuclear furnaces, but the surface is only around 6000c while the atmosphere outside the star is around 2000000c, they can not explain the physical evidence, yet continue to propagate the lie.
The physical evidence is already very well explained and quite easy to understand if you paid attention in school. Indeed a brief look at the wiki page shows that "they" can indeed explain the physical evidence. The temperature around the star is not "2000000c", it may have small regions of temporary high temperature but they are there for a reason.
They say the Moon causes the tides, yet no electro-gravitational effect even of the earth with a mass more than three times that of the Moon extends much beyond 200 miles from the Earth, the moon is 250000 miles from the Earth, so without doubt it is not electro-gravitation that effects the tides, the Earth is a giant crystal, as 99.9% of all solid matter is crystalline, it is far more likely that the facets of the growing crystal pulse with the circulation of the molten Earth.
The mind boggles.
As we exist within an open energy exchange, energy is constantly being added to the mass of the Earth, as happens with every planetary body with internal movement, the universe is a living consciousness, as everything originates from pure nothingness. You should read my explanations of physics, they match the physical evidence without the need to create the emperors new suit every time the evidence fails to match the dogma, as with black holes and dark matter.
But I doubt anything I could write or say would alter your opinions, so Ill leave you with that.
Energy is constantly being added and taken away from the mass of the earth and I do believe the universe is a living consciousness of sorts (consider that we are a speck relative to the earth even and are "conscious", it isn't very hard to believe that the universe surely has a greater degree of consciousness than us).
Actually I read quite a lot of your site long before this thread existed. It was very interesting spiritually speaking and we share many ideas but your understanding of physics really is not at a level enough to make such incredible claims. This is not like the world of quranists vs hadeethists where you are told to go study mounds of conjecture and opinion, physics is entirely different and all the pieces of the puzzle fit together strikingly well and indeed it provides some evidence for quranic claims.
As for the percieved dogma, you clearly have no idea how things work. It is very simple, physics is an endless (?) series of approximations, each new working theory is a better approximation to the truth than the last. You can see it in measurement precisions, years ago we didn't really have the ability to carve below the 0.5mm (10^-3m) scale and nowadays we are operating on the nanometer (10^-9) scale AS STANDARD (the computer you are using perhaps uses chips with transistors on the 40-60nm scale) and the forefront goes far below. Do you think this "Aether physics" model is going to let us probe any further? I sincerely doubt it.
Again what people must remember is that this is not religious dogma where a single contradiction/inconsistency disproves the entire school of thought. This is human work and it is perpetually subject to change (IN THE DIRECTION OF MORE MATHEMATICAL PRECISION, before you get your knickers in a twist) and it is far more open about this than any religious doctrine. There is no "Grand Zionist Conspiracy" in science except in military funding to make better weapons to blow each other up. Which of course provides boundary conditions for other physics theories and pushes them forward. You can fund all the scientists you want to try to prove a flat Earth but a better usage of the money would be to buy some cigarettes, a "flat Earth science conspiracy" would get nowhere either.
There is also a very striking property of correct physics models. That is that when you consider them and play with them, as long as they make correct predictions about the environment they are actually blindingly obvious and you wonder how it could possibly be any other way.
Also conventional physics does an astoundingly good job at proving THE god, far more so than any psuedoscience. In the quran the universe is said to be in a balance of sorts and it is said that God keeps the number of all things. Indeed, all of this has been demonstrated to be truthful by the establishment. The earth is the most profound example of this, the time of its origination relative to the age of the universe, the distance from sun to earth, various factors, also in the global scale of cosmology/the smallest scale of atomic physics, all these dimensionless parameters for the universe.
Peace out.
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Salaam OPF,
I would say pseudo-science would be conventional physics, you say
?The physical evidence is already very well explained and quite easy to understand if you paid attention in school. Indeed a brief look at the wiki page shows that "they" can indeed explain the physical evidence. The temperature around the star is not "2000000c", it may have small regions of temporary high temperature but they are there for a reason.?
Wikipedia
The corona is the extended outer atmosphere of the Sun, which is much larger in volume than the Sun itself. The corona continuously expands into the space forming the solar wind, which fills all the Solar System. The low corona, which is very near the surface of the Sun, has a particle density around 1015?1016 m3. The average temperature of the corona and solar wind is about 1 million?2 million kelvins, however, in the hottest regions it is 8 million?20 million kelvins. WHILE NO COMPLETE THEORY YET EXISTS TO ACCOUNT FOR THE TEMPERATURE OF THE CORONA, at least some of its heat is known to be from magnetic reconnection.The difference between work and potential, as you believe
Potential energy is energy stored within a physical system as a result of the position or configuration of the different parts of that system. It has the potential to be converted into other forms of energy, such as kinetic energy, AND TO DO WORK in the process.
You seem to think the movement of energy within every atom is not perpetual motion?
Perpetual motion would be the property of a device or system which perpetually (indefinitely) produces more energy than it consumes, resulting in a net output of energy for indefinite time.
Every atom demonstrates this motion.
The establishment wish to confuse you, you seem to wish to be confused.
We exist in a manifest universe, the underlying manifold has been proved experimentally to exist, and that energy is simply thought, the universe is built upon differential fractal structures, forming a holographic matrix, the establishment do not want you to grasp the true nature of this reality, they use Zionists like Albert Einstein to confuse the minds of the population, as I said previously nothing I could write would alter anything you hold true. -
I agree entirely with what you say at the end, the universe is indeed made of "thought", a sort of "if this, then that, but not that" sort of logic which branches off into intricate complexity and it is indeed like a fractal. However there is no "Zionist conspiracy" that can change anything which you do not seem to understand, irrespective of whether it exists. What then do you think is the aim of such a "Zionist conspiracy"?
Atoms do not "output energy". If you consider the case of a hydrogen atom, you can describe its energy states independent of time through the time independent Schrodinger equation and this will spit out the possible energy states that its electrons can occupy. Why did I mention this? Time and energy are fundamentally interlinked, a change in energy dE (WORK) requires a change in time dT to be put into effect! The fact that there is a TIME INDEPENDENT schrodinger equation which proves true intrinsically disproves your idea that the atom is in any kind of "perpetual motion". The movement of energy within every atom is not perpetual motion. Energy is completely conserved within the atom and this provides restraints on the possible energy configurations observable within the atom. Perpetual motion is defined as anything that breaks the law of energy conservation.
The establishment confuses me not, nor do I wish to be confused (if I sought to be confused, I'd still be bouncing up and down in a mosque right now). I have a much better understanding of physics than you judge, believe me and it isn't through blind faith but experiment and observation. Unlike the Aether theory, conventional physics pieces together so well that I have no doubt who created the reality we exist in.
Rather it is obvious you have a certain fundamental argument against conventional physics, what is it? For example, when you argue against a hadeethist they will ask you all manner of questions of indefinite complexity but these questions arise from one fundamental thing which is simply that you stated hadeeth are not associated with quran. What is your fundamental argument against conventional physics?
To FAR (sorry for not replying before, but I am very busy) as well as Mr Nur As for these hiccups found in conventional physics I ask two questions of you;
1.) How else have these coronal temperatures been measured other than with conventional physics?
2.) Does the "Aether theory" explain why the coronal temperature is the way it is or indeed why pulsars have currents that move faster than light which I presume you talk about?
Another thing, Allah "himself" calls "himself" the "light of the heavens and the earth" (2435). Do you understand the physical properties of light/information/thought? It correlates very well with the quranic concept of Allah. There is no need for any "aether theory" because we already know what the "divine aether" is, which is light - all pervading, all seeing, all knowing, all-hearing, boundless in capacity, all-giving, the list goes on.
Also Mr Nur, have you been in "hyperspace"?
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Salaam OPF,
How can it be possible for you to agree with the conclusion of my last post, when to do so rejects most conventional physics?
The Zionist banking system is based on energy, in as far as it balances on the control of supply, this being linked with the fiat monetary system, so it must maintain dependency on the technology of these polluting and expensive primitive technologies, and the suppression of all knowledge and technology that would remove this monopoly.
As for your insistence that the endless motion within every atom is not perpetual motion only demonstrates your subjugation to the dogma of conventional confused physics. You do not seem to be grasping what I am saying, you can not describe the universe with abstract mathematics, as it is an ?A? symmetrical universe, the order and direction is physical, not abstract, to use abstract mathematical models shows very little, the original Quaternion mathematics of James Clerk Maxwell has been reduced down to 10% to hide the true nature of electromagnetic understandings, if you wish to understand energy, understand the full nature of Maxwell?s quaternion equations.
The universe is manifest, it demonstrates this in many ways, it is an open energy exchange, you must investigate the root nature of this universe to grasp its underlying structure, it has simple foundations that are ignored by conventional physics. The nature of this reality is fluidic, we are awash with expanding waves, ripples and currents, this exposes in a simple way the underlying fluidic manifold that manifests the hologram of the physical universe. Michelson-Morley intentionally misrepresented the results of their experiment to create an uncontested conclusion.
As for the so called law of conservation, just as the big bang, black holes and dark matter it is just one in a long list of groundless lies propagated within the conventional view of physics.
You are correct time is energy, this being the case using your conventional physics explain where the energy of time comes from?
As for you ridiculous proof of the schrodinger equation proving that atoms require no energy to demonstrate internal movement because they are time dependent can only be described as conventional non-sense, here?s an easy one for you to explain with conventional physics where does charge come from?
1.) How else have these coronal temperatures been measured other than with conventional physics?
You are suggesting that conventional physics has measured the temperature therefore we should accept whatever they say about physics, without ever questioning it?
2.) Does the "Aether theory" explain why the coronal temperature is the way it is or indeed why pulsars have currents that move faster than light which I presume you talk about?
A pulsar is a binary star system, the plasma balls or stars arc across, as can be demonstrated within the laboratory on a small scale, as within nature the only difference is scale, so the ridiculous idea of spinning stars exceeding the speed of light within their spin, I will leave in the fantasy realms of your conventional physics dogma. For those reading this, which view do you think most likely, that a star could spin once every 1.4 milliseconds breaking the speed of light as it spins so fast, or that two stars arc across, which can be demonstrated within a lab?
As for Allah being the physical nature of light as the essence and nature of Allah as you describe, it is so confused as to be insulting to the true nature of Allah, please feel free if you wish to consider a view free of conventional physics and the dogma of intentional perversions of the truth, to read the view I present on my website,
http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/92/124/
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Peace,
Don't worry how it can be possible for me to agree with that conclusion while still agreeing with "conventional physics". It clearly does not appear fathomable to you in the first place. Don't take this offensively (indeed I intend no offense whatsoever throughtout my post so please do not get a bruised ego; indeed a bruised ego is where the denial of reason and reality takes hold). If you understood "conventional physics" then you would realise that all the truthful things you talk about on your site have been demonstrated long ago by it.
The Zionist banking system does not change the law of energy conservation. If they did, there would be no need for usury in the first place. If you are going to hold onto this notion of "The Grand Zionist Conspiracy" dominating everything I think you may need to rethink your world view. Jews cannot and do not change the laws of physics. As such the "Zionist banks" have to charge interest to get around that.
You say "the original Quaternion mathematics of James Clerk Maxwell has been reduced down to 10% to hide the true nature of electromagnetic understandings", I sincerely doubt that you even grasp the mathematics behind the 4 equations in the first place let alone being able to judge such a thing. Also searching for the "remaining 90%" leads me to a dude called T. E. Bearden, well known crackpot and advocate of over-unity.
If I said that the quran is heavily distorted and in reality it actually says Jesus is coming back soon with an army of velociraptors to save Earth from the Zionist Conspiracy then I say "read the Arabic but you have to go read the 900AD tablet to really find out for sure" without any actual knowledge of Arabic myself, I would be rightfully known as an "idiot". You are claiming the equivalent of this statement. Go learn some elementary mathematics and what a unit of measurement is then we can talk on a level, I'm not asking you to go trawl through volumes of tafseer or look through journals, a simple elementary understanding will do.
Do you know why all these crackpots NEVER demonstrate more than a basic understanding of mathematics and physics? It's not because as soon as you progress from this understanding the Zionist Messiah appears in front of you and lets you know that if you follow anything else the Zionist conspiracy has been watching you and will hence make life hell for you, the reason is that as soon as you progress beyond that conventional physics becomes highly intuitive and blindingly obvious that it is indeed the reality. All these questions of energy conservation and whatnot are already answered but you actually have to take the time to learn why things are the way they are instead of sitting around and babbling endless inconsistent yet verbose nonsense as they do.
As for the law of conservation, there is no "groundless lie" involved, sorry. A simple experiment will prove this, spin a spinning top around on a smooth surface. It will always come to a halt. Also, what the hell is "energy of time"? As for where charge comes from, it would arise as soon as the electromagnetic force branches off from the fundamental force. There is no point asking "where it comes from" because any so called proof of "where it comes from" is inherently unfalsifiable, and yes, that includes your aether theories.
As for the schrodinger equation, you can describe it as "conventional non-sense" but that only displays how clearly ignorant you are of physics, in the same way that an atheist challenges the quran and cites all sorts of supposed "contradictions" when in reality he is speaking from a perspective of manifest ignorance. If you fail to grasp the inherent relation between time and energy then you have lost the battle before you have picked up your sword.
I shall repeat it again. Motion, the definition of which is a change in energy/momentum over time dE/dt or dP/dt requires guess what? A change in energy/momentum... over time! Now do you grasp it or do we have to go through that again? Now given that you can describe the states of the atom without using any "dT" that also intrinsically means there is no "dE" and no such thing as perpetual motion. Indeed, motion ceases to be defined on that scale and you would understand why this is intuitively obvious if you took the time to learn.
1.) How else have these coronal temperatures been measured other than with conventional physics?
You are suggesting that conventional physics has measured the temperature therefore we should accept whatever they say about physics, without ever questioning it?
You are questioning the foundations of conventional physics using the techniques of highly advanced conventional physics. A thoroughly ridiculous mode of questioning. It's like saying "because there is no description of ritual salat in the quran, there obviously is no God or quran and clearly we are actually floating around inside an alien child's snowglobe given to them on Christmas day".
2.) Does the "Aether theory" explain why the coronal temperature is the way it is or indeed why pulsars have currents that move faster than light which I presume you talk about?
A pulsar is a binary star system, the plasma balls or stars arc across, as can be demonstrated within the laboratory on a small scale, as within nature the only difference is scale, so the ridiculous idea of spinning stars exceeding the speed of light within their spin, I will leave in the fantasy realms of your conventional physics dogma. For those reading this, which view do you think most likely, that a star could spin once every 1.4 milliseconds breaking the speed of light as it spins so fast, or that two stars arc across, which can be demonstrated within a lab?
The spin does not "exceed the speed of light", you demonstrate a lack of understanding as to what is actually going on. In reality it is merely that the group velocity of electric current exceeds the speed of light which is more than possible (if I spin around and point a laser into space, at some point the laser dot will "travel" faster than the speed of light but nowhere has the speed of light actually been exceeded). However the fundamental barrier is the speed of information, which has never been violated and never will.
As for your last sentence, I am not really going to consider your website any longer when you have clearly demonstrated a willing ignorance against learning things in the first place. Why should I even acknowledge your website (keeping in mind I have already read the whole damn thing) when you cannot demonstrate a grasp of basic mathematics and physical laws? It shows that you clearly have no damn clue as to what you're talking about and it shows
Energy.
So is matter itself energy; Energy = Mass x the speed of light squared (E=Mc ) which expresses matter as energy, which is true, but not exactly accurate, it should be E=Tc which will become clear as you read on, as only time mass exists, so if the material Universe is simply energy, what is energy?
I don't think that Allah being the physical nature of light is confusing whatosever. In fact it explains with tremendous clarity as to why things are the way they are (e.g. evolution) and it correlates quranic concepts with reality in a strikingly fundamental manner. However I do not define "Allah" as "light" per se but there is a fundamental connection. I ask of you one thing, in 2435 where this is stated, is the first statement that "Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth" a metaphor? I think it isn't because the next sentence straight away puts forth a parable.
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Salaam OPF,
As I said previously it does not matter what I say, you have a view without foundation, I will happily leave you with you view, enjoy it, don't worry about my views or the evidence, it will only upset you, have a good life, I don't wish to waste anymore of my time on your rubbish.
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There is no upsetting involved. If you wish to challenge physics, it's so unbelievably easy provide a counter example to disprove an equation.
Then funnily enough, your counter example is then within the domain of "conventional physics" and it turns out all the previous theories were merely approximations to your theory which itself is an approximation of the next ad infinitum.
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Salaam OPF,
the universe is not abstract mathematics, its a perception reactive manifestation, this generates physical predetermined results from action, known as evidence through this predetermination, you do not include evidence in your investigations how ever limited, so in effect accept only that your peers propagate, but that is not my problem, and you do not have any interest in investigating the truth only attempting to express the dogma of your peers.
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Salaam OPF,
the universe is not abstract mathematics, its a perception reactive manifestation, this generates physical predetermined results from action, known as evidence through this predetermination, you do not include evidence in your investigations how ever limited, so in effect accept only that your peers propagate, but that is not my problem, and you do not have any interest in investigating the truth only attempting to express the dogma of your peers.
Actually abstract mathematics is merely a tool to express the words you speak. We can say "Perception reactive manifestation", but does that help when we are trying to build telescopes and computers? Not really, you need to put it into numbers.
Funnily enough, what you describe as "perception reactive manifestation" is identical to the abstract mathematical concept of taking the initial wavefunction of a system then integrating (i.e. summing up all the states in between) to get to the now. If you imagine how the wavefunction evolves over time, new constraints (reaction) are imposed (manifested) on the moment from the previous states (perception).
There is a very fundamental link between the kind of spirituality and "conventional physics" but you will not see that until you open your mind to accepting that the universe can be described in abstract mathematics. The confusion in abstract mathematics comes from the lack of understanding of it, it is EXACTLY as clear as "2+2=4" when you get round to understanding it.
However there is no definite predestination. Instead, at each new instant of time things are simply allowed to "be" and if they choose a path that God does not like, in the next instant that path is then forbidden. Think about this verse
041.011 Then He directed Himself to the heaven and it is a vapor, so He said to it and to the earth Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said We come willingly.
Also refer to the other verses, for instance those of the "great Shout" (7913) or in general, things like so. What is a "shout"? A vibration. What is a vibration? An oscillation. What is an oscillation? A wave. And this is where QM enters the picture. It is clear to me that God is looking for something in particular and when he finds this, that is when judgement will commence because he then has conceptualised eternity, the universe awakens within its own Self. He will then send a single ripple through the universe that will transform it into judgement time. Ironically this will be the FIRST instance of God demonstrating his newly built "eternity supercomputer". It does not change that God is all-powerful, all-knowing, etc because when you say "all-knowing" in this universe, the limit of "knowing all" is not "knowing every possibility" but rather every realistically concievable possibility. There are actually no paradoxes involved whatsoever when you actually consider these things in depth.
Bill Hicks got it in one - "Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather".
Peace, I hope this makes things somewhat clearer. The more I learn about physics, the less "faith" I need to believe in God's existence.
Also perpetual motion is a direct violation of Allah's command in the quran that nothing in existence can create or destroy a thing, it can only manipulate.
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YUSUFALI But there is a ban on any population which We have destroyed that they shall not return,
PICKTHAL And there is a ban upon any community which We have destroyed that they shall not return.
SHAKIR And it is binding on a town which We destroy that they shall not return.Perception reactive manifestation, make sense?
The entirety of the universe IS in perpetual motion but this is a different story from individual components which can never be in perpetual motion until there is a time of proper energy exchange between them.
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To FAR (sorry for not replying before, but I am very busy) as well as Mr Nur As for these hiccups found in conventional physics I ask two questions of you;
1.) How else have these coronal temperatures been measured other than with conventional physics?
2.) Does the "Aether theory" explain why the coronal temperature is the way it is or indeed why pulsars have currents that move faster than light which I presume you talk about?
Another thing, Allah "himself" calls "himself" the "light of the heavens and the earth" (2435). Do you understand the physical properties of light/information/thought? It correlates very well with the quranic concept of Allah. There is no need for any "aether theory" because we already know what the "divine aether" is, which is light - all pervading, all seeing, all knowing, all-hearing, boundless in capacity, all-giving, the list goes on.
OPF, as far as I know
http//www.universetoday.com/2010/01/06/measuring-the-coronal-temperature-with-iron/
How do you measures averages of temperatures? Do you need standard model physics for that or just basic math?
As for the aether physics model... Well the individual who's suggesting it suggests this http//softaether.blogspot.com/2009/05/hot-fusion-confusion.html
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Those ionized atoms can then be identified spectroscopically or by using a filter to search for the wavelength at which those atoms will emit light as new electrons settle down into the previously vacated orbitals. By measuring the relative amounts of ionization astronomers can then reconstruct the range of kinetic energies in the gas and thus, temperature range which can, in turn, be used to determine the average temperature.
This is the method an international team of astronomers used to study the sun's corona. Since light atoms don't work well for this method (they become fully ionized or just can't show a large range of ionization like atoms with more electrons), the astronomers chose to study the Sun's corona through various states of iron ionization. In doing so they mapped several ionization states, including capturing for the first time, the elusive Fe IX lines (iron with 8 electrons knocked off) at 789.2 nm.
The advanced physics is not in the taking of averages but rather, measuring the damn temperatures in the first place. Also this isn't temperature as in "stick your alcohol thermometer in the solar atmosphere" temperature but rather the truer sense of the word, a statistical measure. Also spectroscopy is intrinsically connected to quantum mechanics.
The original question was posed from the perspective of ignorance anyway, the fallacy is in the questioning of science by asking about things it hasn't gotten round to analysing or answering yet.
As for this aether theory dude, I'll let him speak for himself
or all the hype about the success of the Standard Model, it is failing spectacularly. Billions of dollars, thousands of top scientists, and years of research and engineering are being wasted on Gravitational Wave detectors (I detect gravity waves with home built equipment) and Hot Fusion ignition.
The Aether Physics Model clearly shows fusion is actually a proton version of the Casimir effect. Two protons, held a quantum distance apart and magnetically aligned, cause the intervening Aether to oscillate and absorb a proton's quantity of dark matter to produce a proton. The initial state of this new creation is a proton-sized photon. In the Sun's corona, these photons radiate away as light. When the process occurs inside an atom, the photon is converted to a proton and actually increases the amount of matter in the Universe. Hence, stars literally grow in size, as do planets and other bodies in the Universe.
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The advanced physics is not in the taking of averages but rather, measuring the damn temperatures in the first place. Also this isn't temperature as in "stick your alcohol thermometer in the solar atmosphere" temperature but rather the truer sense of the word, a statistical measure. Also spectroscopy is intrinsically connected to quantum mechanics.
The original question was posed from the perspective of ignorance anyway, the fallacy is in the questioning of science by asking about things it hasn't gotten round to analysing or answering yet.
As for this aether theory dude, I'll let him speak for himself
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But the physics of measuring the suns corona's heat... is of averages, that's what a statistical measure is.
There is no fallacy of questioning the science if the scientific process is slow http//www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wclose.html
And what of him speaking? Is it against what you were taught? Or do you not understand it?
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But the physics of measuring the suns corona's heat... is of averages, that's what a statistical measure is.
There is no fallacy of questioning the science if the scientific process is slow http//www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wclose.html
And what of him speaking? Is it against what you were taught? Or do you not understand it?
It isn't just "taking averages", any idiot can do that with a pocket calculator. It is the measurement of the actual temperatures. If you look at the article, it tells you how they measured the temperatures, by observing emission bands in the solar corona and then correlating this information with previous knowledge to build up a picture of the kinetic energies involved. These emission bands correlate to very specific photon wavelengths emitted by iron in its transitions between various states, and this is where quantum mechanics enters the picture.
You cannot compute these wavelengths without using the rules of QM and even if you experimentally measured them, they would correlate 100% with the rules of QM. Conventional physics works very well in producing technology and other things because of this fundamental interconnection between all working theories. Crackpot physics does not do this because it cannot, when two people have their own agendas to advance and spout two varying brands of psuedoscience, there is no connection, it's like a Shia talking to a Sunni (rather, the rift is even further apart).
As for the dude speaking, I've highlighted the ridiculous bits but they flew over you. Of course, if you don't have a keen eye for counterfeit products nobody would expect you to be a counterfeit product detector (and they sure as hell wouldn't be hiring you as one). Photons have no such thing as "size", they do have "energy content", "momentum" and "wavelength" but none of these correlate with "size" and indeed neither do protons (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he meant energy content). The idea of him building gravity wave detectors with home equipment while the rest of humanity is trying to do the same by making the most perfect spheres concievable and launching them into outer space says one of two things, extreme genius or... crackpot. And we all know which one is more likely. As for the other rubbish, it doesn't really deserve any time. For instance he says "planets and stars are getting bigger" when in reality it is known that relative to the rest of the universe, everything is getting smaller while mass stays constant (i.e. the universe is expanding).
Regardless the mark of a true idiot is trying to debunk the fundamentals of physics while not having the slightest grasp as to what these fundamentals are and how they connect to other things, and in the process of debunking, using a computer and the internet, both of which are based on the interconnection of a vast number of different scientific fields all clicking into place to make sense. As they say, don't bite the hand that feeds. Or in this case, don't tell the hand feeding you that it doesn't really exist and all your life you've actually been fed by a foot. Or more quranically, if you have no idea what you're talking about, don't talk about it (1736).
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It's a good thing then, that most crackpots are easy to see through. If they put any real time into their dribblings (and what crackpot would, when he knows in advance that he is bullshitting), then you would end up with things like the Bogdanov affair.
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It isn't just "taking averages", any idiot can do that with a pocket calculator. It is the measurement of the actual temperatures. If you look at the article, it tells you how they measured the temperatures, by observing emission bands in the solar corona and then correlating this information with previous knowledge to build up a picture of the kinetic energies involved. These emission bands correlate to very specific photon wavelengths emitted by iron in its transitions between various states, and this is where quantum mechanics enters the picture.
You cannot compute these wavelengths without using the rules of QM and even if you experimentally measured them, they would correlate 100% with the rules of QM. Conventional physics works very well in producing technology and other things because of this fundamental interconnection between all working theories. Crackpot physics does not do this because it cannot, when two people have their own agendas to advance and spout two varying brands of psuedoscience, there is no connection, it's like a Shia talking to a Sunni (rather, the rift is even further apart).
As for the dude speaking, I've highlighted the ridiculous bits but they flew over you. Of course, if you don't have a keen eye for counterfeit products nobody would expect you to be a counterfeit product detector (and they sure as hell wouldn't be hiring you as one). Photons have no such thing as "size", they do have "energy content", "momentum" and "wavelength" but none of these correlate with "size" and indeed neither do protons (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he meant energy content). The idea of him building gravity wave detectors with home equipment while the rest of humanity is trying to do the same by making the most perfect spheres concievable and launching them into outer space says one of two things, extreme genius or... crackpot. And we all know which one is more likely. As for the other rubbish, it doesn't really deserve any time. For instance he says "planets and stars are getting bigger" when in reality it is known that relative to the rest of the universe, everything is getting smaller while mass stays constant (i.e. the universe is expanding).
Regardless the mark of a true idiot is trying to debunk the fundamentals of physics while not having the slightest grasp as to what these fundamentals are and how they connect to other things, and in the process of debunking, using a computer and the internet, both of which are based on the interconnection of a vast number of different scientific fields all clicking into place to make sense. As they say, don't bite the hand that feeds. Or in this case, don't tell the hand feeding you that it doesn't really exist and all your life you've actually been fed by a foot. Or more quranically, if you have no idea what you're talking about, don't talk about it (1736).
But if you had a different model for measuring the wavelengths you'd of course have a different value no?
What does he believe his model suggests? Photons and protons have size? Why would anyone even say that? I'm sure you know of quran 496, we who are muslims are not skeptical rejectors.
As for planets growing, I'm sure you know of the growing earth video.
Deserve your time? You have no choice, either it deserves your time to investigate... or you fail the quran. Heck it's your duty to confirm if this quiet trouble maker (or me who's suggesting him to you) is true or false.
Maybe he is an extreme genius, or a crack pot... for you to suggest either... without confirming as quran 1736 would suggest... you'd go against the verse.
http//www.16pi2.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=86&Itemid=106
I'm sure it's haram for you to be a skeptic/kafir, no?
It's a good thing then, that most crackpots are easy to see through. If they put any real time into their dribblings (and what crackpot would, when he knows in advance that he is bullshitting), then you would end up with things like the Bogdanov affair.
http//amasci.com/weird/vindac.html --- refer to that please.
And do not call people names. Quran 4911
OPF... I'm sure this is about physic proving the quran and allah.
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Check out Christopher Langan's CTMU, this is what people would consider "crackpot" but unlike the APM, it has a very powerful foundation & logical argument in my eyes. I gave it the same amount of time as the APM and concluded that it deserves a hell of a lot more research time. His statements are well and truly in line with the quran from what I percieve.
It's not that there is a problem. Actually, the first time I saw the aether site, which coincidentally was a slight time prior to it coming up on here, I was sold. However I didn't really look at the numbers but the content of their words. The level of insight is quite intriguing as I have said many times over. However what could have been something golden turned out to be quite rubbish because they failed to put their things in numbers properly, instead going about it in the crackpot way. By crackpot, I mean "person who mouths a theory without putting their evidence forth" and the reason a crackpot does that is because they know already that they are trying to say 2+2=5, they just try to keep that little fact hidden and construct everything around it. Now if you are saying 2+2=5 then you have to be able to say 2(2+2)=10 and so on and so forth, it must connect logically. Of course, 2(2+2)=8 so 2+2=5 is an obvious falsehood.
The key problem with this guy, is that he doesn't have any foundations. Rather, he whips out random force constants and this and that which have long been disproven by conventional physics. Now if you want to know for sure, don't ask me; go do it yourself! Create an experiment to test his theory out vs conventional physics and you can come to your own conclusion, I have already come to mine. If your experiment says that he stands a good chance of being correct (not even that he is correct), I will take you up on it and accept that I have been acting in ignorance. However I can say to a high degree of certainty that this is crackpot rubbish in and out (although it is based on one of the most beautiful facets of existence, the golden ratio).
This guy himself isn't a troublemaker, I'm sure all of the advocates are good at heart but if I started spouting my own theories about some obscure field I live in ignorance of without attempting to get an understanding of it, I would be considered a crackpot. For instance, I didn't come to the conclusion of following the quran on its own without reading sahih bukhari first, I am not going to dismiss a potential world of possibility without considering it first. Don't think for a second that I dismissed this instantly, I have already said that this guy makes predictions about quantum mechanics that are already well off point. The whole theory reaks of pathological science, tailoring the numbers to fit the results after getting the results. Which would be alright, because that is sort of the right way, but the right way stands out because you actually listen to what the results say rather than trying to prove 2+2=5 over and over again in a different form each time. When you do it the right way you tend to have to do a lot of manipulation of equations (nature's law, not mine), you don't simply adjust a "constant of proportionality" until you fit the results (except for linear relationships between quantities), that sets you up for another failure until you realise that you can't have for example, "Gforce * x", it's "Gforce^2 + exp(Gforce/2)" and that is when you are making headway.
I'm sure it's haram for you to be a skeptic/kafir, no?
Yes, if it is based on ignorance. There is absolutely no room in a peaceful society for dismissal without rational investigation, after all that's how we awakened on Earth through Adam in the first place
Deserve your time? You have no choice, either it deserves your time to investigate... or you fail the quran. Heck it's your duty to confirm if this quiet trouble maker (or me who's suggesting him to you) is true or false.
I already have given it the time long before this thread existed, and I deduced that it requires no further time on my part (perhaps I should have said, no further time), it falls into the category of "vain discourse" (366 and others) in my eyes. Also if the dude applied 1736 in the first place, I guarantee you wholesale that APM would not exist.
But if you had a different model for measuring the wavelengths you'd of course have a different value no?
Yes and they would immediately be inconsistent when that theory is applied to an experiment elsewhere. This is the beauty of physics - there is a single fundamental law (which I like to call "God", in the way that it is a sign of the creator) that everything follows, invariant of space and time. The task of physics is to find out what this law is and how it works, but it cannot answer the fundamental question which is what it ordains for us in the ultimate end, this is where the quran and information theory come in. Each little facet of this fundamental law is consistent with every other little facet. If there is an inconsistency, that means the theory is either incorrect, or it is consistent when one applies a different set of boundary conditions and reshapes the equations to fit. There is no avoiding this law of nature - without it, I could be walking at 2mph and you could be walking at 6mph and we look at each other and we appear completely still. It would be dreamlike but more so, nightmareish, falsehood would prevail.
Let me give you an example of science in action
Shortly after awakening, a sharp 38% to 75% (average 50%) increase occurs in the blood level of cortisol in about 77% of healthy adults, and it occurs in people of all ages. The average level of cortisol upon waking is roughly 15 nmol/l; 30 minutes later it may be 23 nmol/l, though there are wide variations. The cortisol awakening response reaches a maximum approximately 30 minutes after awakening though it may still be heightened by 34% an hour after waking. The pattern of this response to waking is relatively stable for any individual. Twin studies show its pattern is largely genetically determined since there is a heritability of 0.40 for the mean cortisol increase after awakening and 0.48 for the area under the cortisol rise curve.
Notice the concrete numbers and the statistics? That is science. You can go out and measure this for yourself with the same techniques and you will get to the exact same result (assuming the results are correct). You will not be able to come to a conclusion where you can disagree because that is the nature of God, he is not to be questioned (2123) and it is only logical that this is indeed the case. Thus, what is the message of every messenger? That there is one objective reality, and one objective reality alone (2262). So submit to His will.
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Since you've already had a look at it, we are asking you.
The key problem with this guy, is that he doesn't have any foundations. Rather, he whips out random force constants and this and that which have long been disproven by conventional physics. Now if you want to know for sure, don't ask me; go do it yourself! Create an experiment to test his theory out vs conventional physics and you can come to your own conclusion, I have already come to mine. If your experiment says that he stands a good chance of being correct (not even that he is correct), I will take you up on it and accept that I have been acting in ignorance. However I can say to a high degree of certainty that this is crackpot rubbish in and out (although it is based on one of the most beautiful facets of existence, the golden ratio).
For me, I would only question you, since you go against the quran.
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Peace "Abdun Nur",
Amongst other things you stated
...explain the endless energy of a magnet...
JK- You can't derive endless energy from a magnetic field. Infact you cannot directly derive energy from a magnetic field of a magnet which has not been created using electric current. This is because the magnetic field comes from the electrons in the atoms. Youd have to destroy those completely in order to derive the energy therfrom. You can put iron filings close to a magnet and whilst they're being pulled to the magnet let them knock against a wheel and use that to derive energy but after sometime when enough filings get attached to the magnet, the magnet has no more attractive force. It weakens with every additional no. of filings getting attached to it. THEN you'd need the same energy to release all those filings from the magnet again which you got from it initially. In short you cannot get energy from anywhere without taking the same amount of energy from that system in one form or another. If that means taking energy of the particles theyd ultimately have to collapse.
You also talked about everything having perpetual motion. This is only true at the subatomic level where there is no or negligible friction. But even protons are said to be decayed after a very large no of yrs(>10^100 yrs). GOD Bless!