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money is a test, money is a curse, money is a drug

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    Sirius
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    There is in fact a Hadith about the Fitnah of money

    "Every nation is tested with a specific Fitnah, and the fitnah that is
    unique for this nation is Money/Wealth."

    Only mention it due to the accuracy. We're a world plagued by financial crisis, economic struggle, rib'a, depressions and recessions.

    Great post.

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      SarahY
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      After the root is gone, what other tree will be planted?

      in other words how would people trade, what is the alternative?

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        asubmitter
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        Insha Allah the Lord will guide us, if we just seek His glory, then He will surely guide us, we can all see the many problems with money and capitalism, from being unappreciative of God's blessings, to being careless of the needs of others, to being depressed with our struggle to find a reasonable standard of living.

        We can only seek the help of God, and He will guide us, it says,'
        Thus, GOD does not change the condition of any people unless they themselves make the decision to change.' (1311)

        We can only will to change it, after all God is doing everything, and answers concerning what to replace it with are still not clear, other than kindness, doing things because we are kind not capitalist, I see great things in this idea.

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          Do you take note of all the things in the system of God, we take for granted, how none exact a wage for what they do, does your heart refuse to pump if it doesn't get paid, or your kindneys refuse to cleanse your body through the passage of urine, or your eyes go blind because they were not paid, or did the bees exact payment for producing honey, or did the cow exact payment for giving us milk, leather and manure, did the horse refuse to carry our load if we did not pay it, did the chickens go on strike because of being abused. Did the trees fail to produce their vines, pomegranates and dates, unless it was given something in return.

          All these things and so much more God has made subservient to us, yet we bemoan or begrudge if we are asked to give in kindness and not exact capital from it. By doing things because we are kind not capitalist, where could you go wrong, after all the sun gives us light, to know for certain everything, yet it never goes on strike. Everything is in accordance with God's will.

          I do not want to confuse the situation, for this world is free, and we are free to choose whether the capitalist life or the Godly life, we see all these problems in society, murders, violence, wars,poverty and false indoctrination. But we haven't strived in the cause of God, Islam has not been established yet, Peace on earth has not come, God willing we will witness many things in our times, maybe it is a time of blessing.

          You can all focus on a particular and question what you see, but the reality is much greater than the penetration of focus, the whole is good, the whole is good. Is it survival you are seeing, is it will to win, can there be another god with God, money is the power of darkness, money is the root of all kinds of evil, money is the corruptor of people. Capitalist do not believe in God they are devil worshippers, but those who believe in God know He is Most Kind,Most Dignified, Most Honourable, Most Merciful. Most Gracious, Most High and Most Cognizant. But the idol worshippers, no matter what you do cannot believe. If when you hear such things as this, you think of a person like Rashad, or Muhammad or Jesus or Moses, then you are falling into the trap of idolatry, you should seek the glory of God, not the glory of men. God is doing everything, God is in control of all things, God has counted the number of all things. No one posseses power except God.

          ?He who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but he who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, " Jesus

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            What I found on my return to forums, and facebook, isn't just the ignorance, but also a lack of dignity, and for a while I find these neo-brands making every effort to disregard the point blank truth of what is being taught or said, the refusal to allow themselves to even come in contact with the ideas of people who are trying to embody the vision of peace. There is too much superficiality even when you have nailed the arguments there is stil the ego of those who will only see there own opinion from there own life. But if we looked further into it, then we could look to initial reason why certain people argue theway they do, after all idol worshippers cannot believe no matter what you do, as long as there is an idol in light in their minds which they uphold before God they cannot believe. Then there are also the six signs of devil worshippers, greed, lust, hatred, envy, malice and pride. These six things could be the basis of ones actions and words. Then there is just plain ignorance, in the words of a chinese proverb, 'those who do not speak, know, those who speak do not know", there are many oddballs on free-minds, so many people with all kinds of psuedo understandings and mere confusions, blasphemies and ignorance pours from their mouths and thinking. We can conform, reform and inform, strange how these three words seem to suggest the understandings of the three groups of Abrahamic faith, the Jewish conformist attitude, the Christian reformist crusade, the Muslim informing task. Or maybe I'm reading into it a little. They come from Western schooling, which implants a secular thinking, forget what the teachers are saying but remember your own opinion. Everything you say, is interpretated because they cannot empathise but can only give there own wording to what you said, if they would follow your words they would realise what is being said, but they do not follow. Submitters come from adifferent perspective they are observant of God, and know if they were not then they will fall into the traps of secularisation.

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              asubmitter
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              Last night, I had one of them momebts, when I see famous people in a photographic pose, like they've never been captured before, and it was Jeremy Packsman, the BBC anchor who puts the wits of politicians to the test. One question i have about your program, the University Challenge, is this a a challenge to know how much knowledge students have or how fast they can compute, because they must have studied where the questions were coming from, if not the exact questions, because these questions are encyclopeadic and can be on any subject and I doubt a person of the age of 20 or 19 has studied so much, they may be able to study, but not know unless they have studied the text, so it goes to show there is always a question of time to read, to learn to understand to remember, and all university challenge does is who is best at referencing there memory ask them the same question in a few years time, see if they can still parrot fashion respond to the answers then. An illusion of white man supremacy, just like sports, just like films, just like education.
              These hierarchies they build, who can press the effing buzzer the quickest and reference their learnt memory, we are not computers, that is not the purpose of our existence.

              Allahu Alim
              Allahu Qadir
              Allahu Wasi

              God is Omniscient
              God is Omnipotent
              God is Omnipresent

              Soon to see if these programs will outwit the Lord of the universe, God controls everything, God has counted the number of all things, no one possesses power except God.

              You think it's some sort of matrix, you're wrong, the world isn't capitalist or materiality, it is beyond the physical realm it includes the unseen. You cannot put God into the hierarchy you can only put a pretender, the fascist monarch of the new world order, at the top of the hierarchy, but we will see, if the Sauron's one eye succeeds in setting up its one world empire or if the Kingdom of God comes, and Islam is set, and peace on earth has come.

              In the name of God the Most Gracious Most Merciful

              The Masonic world will perish.


              it is my quest to find them wherever or whatever they are hiding. The fascist monarch at the top, it is sauron's all seeing eye, the pyramidwith the one eye, I guess some of the Muhammadan legends there maybe some sort of truth to them after all, the dajjal with one eye and the establishing of peace on earth. It is a game they choose to play. And in the end inevitablyt when Pharoah was drowning, he said 'i believe in the God of Moses and Aaron'. TOO LATE

              (He looked vexxed and angered)

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                Alen
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                Peace,
                Respectfully.

                It's not the money that is evil or that it cuases evil, it's the users.
                If people only took 2215, 219 and 6141 and installed it, there, it would be solved, God willing.
                We should definetely tell our politicians and the presidents about installing just these three verses from The Quran, as a start.
                Then, God willing, slowly, we will eliminate poverty, God willing.

                Peace.

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                  Peace,
                  Respectfully.

                  It's not the money that is evil or that it cuases evil, it's the users.
                  If people only took 2215, 219 and 6141 and installed it, there, it would be solved, God willing.

                  They ask you about giving say, "The charity you give shall go to the parents, the relatives, the orphans, the poor, and the traveling alien." Any good you do, GOD is fully aware thereof

                  He is the One who established gardens, trellised and untrellised, and palm trees, and crops with different tastes, and olives, and pomegranate - fruits that are similar, yet dissimilar. Eat from their fruits, and give the due alms on the day of harvest,* and do not waste anything. He does not love the wasters.

                  ...

                  One you missed which I am having difficulty referencing too, is the one which says ' you haven't given until you give from the things you love for yourself.'
                  How much waste is produced daily, because shopping malls just threw away vital commodities because they went off, how long can the world sustain this sort of brute behavior, where we no longer care for what we get but only look for more. Money is the most unappreciative way of giving, you just exchange miraculous things for something that is worthless in reality. Who benefits from this, because we are taught we are the workforce by the state, the poor by the monarch and the slave by the banks.

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                    Peace

                    Capitalism is the ultimate form of democracy. Power is taken away from the elites and given to the people. People are incentivised to work, you have small government which gives people more freedom. It is the extreme capitalists who want to bring back gold because this again takes power away from corrupt elites.

                    Socialism, whilst it means well, determines that you are owned by the government and that they therefore can take your money and 'redistribute' it. This is inherently immoral as a consequence leads down a disastrous path which you can see here http//socialismdoesntwork.com/why-socialism-doesnt-work/

                    It is the concentration of power amongst perennial elites that leads to corruption and reduces freedoms, whether this is the European Union, Shayks and Imams, other clergy, or other forms of centralised government.

                    Roshan

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                      In my view, I see it return to the rebelllion of Satan, and in the end it is a challenge against those who believe there can be another god besides God, and on the other hand those who uphold the universal shahada la ellaha ellallah. If you wish to look to causality, why people fail to be enlightening, seduced to never be honest, and too lost to find any wisdom, it is because they are Satanist in that they believe there can be another god besides God.

                      When true monotheism returned, not with the sword nor by the pen, but through discovery and miracles from God, they live a short capitalist life whereas the majority will live a prosperous life in God's Kingdom. The world population will expand by ten times in the next 200 years before the Day of Judgement, most who will live then will be accepted into the kingdom of God, whereas these short lived capitalist will be in the minority.

                      What they achieve doesn't last, "only something with a meaning can stand the test of time," in the words of Ian Brown. However it is shortlived, they are given more time to achieve their hegemony, but it is pittance compared to the reality of God's Kingdom, but in the end fail their minds to not have faith in light, seduce their bodies to not believe in good and corrupt their souls to not to not devote to truth.

                      The majority will accept the sovereignty of God, and will not hide from the light, nor provoke distrust among fellow people, nor deceive their own souls as to whom they really serve.

                      For example, yesterday I was sat with a growing 14 year old cousin, and we were talking about putting on weight after having a chicken burger and fries, which I was blaming my meds for, but did he agree, no he objected to whether people eat 3 times a day and instead tries to argue they only eat twice a day. Breakfast, dinner and tea, surely? Some go further and also include supper. Why was it that he gave this response, surely if he was a believer he would have said it isn't the number of times you eat but the meds you take, that would be an honest answer, but he chose to disagree.

                      Can you stop the motion, they write songs like we got the world in motion. But when you wake and resist and reflect then you can break all dependacies upon anything and anyone and then God will guide you.

                      It says in the Quran, I'm having difficulty referencing it, and it isn't appearing in search results, so I will have to just give you not the exact words but what I can recall,sorry but if I was hafiz of the quran then I could know exactly where and be able to reference it,but I am not good at languages and got a zero in Arabic in my final year, I walked out of the exam complaining of a sore throat, so didn't have to sit it.

                      "Anyone who wishes to know if God can guide him, shall break all dependacies upon anything/anyone and then see if God cannot guide him."

                      They say they got the world in motion, but we know the world is artificial and is controlled by the elites who continue to cause evil due to their belief there can be another god, they are under the devil's curse, whereas I am striving in the cause of God, Allahu Ackbar, they are under the devil's curse because they cannot break their dependacies, even if it means they lose their souls they still wouldn't want to, they're fully under the devil's curse, and it effects the fairer skinned people more, the whites, but really anyone going to schools in the UK is taught very little in wisdom and truth, nor justice equality and freedom, they instead reward in terms of capital, and join the elites, whereas the rest never wake out of the hypnosis of the devils.

                      If you see the plight of every sufferer, then you will see the word devils, will prove true. In Palestine, in Africa in Afghanistan, in Iraq,
                      they understand what these vampires live on, the blood of slaves.

                      Rabi zidni ilma

                      My Lord grant me knowledge

                      peace

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                        Peace All

                        I think that we always make the mistake of trying to determine whether the Quran points to capitalism or socialism. The truth is that the Quran points to Islam. Any other man-made system should be evaluated in light of the Quran, not the other way around.

                        Also, the age old excuse that capitalism provides the incentive for people to be productive is a fallacy. It only holds true for people who do not accept the the commands of God as incentive enough.

                        Imraan

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                          It is very dangerous to connect modern politics with religion because it opens a platform for unfathomable crowd sway, based on demographic idiosyncrasies and so forth... and, often, a smokescreen for outright deception.

                          Mostly, these different political formats just define different ways to scrape together and hoard the pot into one pocket or another, regardless of how "homespun" a shine be squeaked upon the surface of any particular pledge put forth to the masses. Most people don't even have the time to consider the depth of logic (or lack thereof) behind any political campaign whatsoever.

                          Gear the pot towards church, temple or what have you and we can easily wind up with just another bloody travesty in place of what could have been a masterpiece.

                          Or what once was.

                          Look at the past century...
                          We need to somehow foolproof our temples from the destruction imposed by the present systems.

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