Why is it both Jews and Muslim deny Jesus is the Son of God, Jehovah's Son?
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I see a lot of Muslim websites in which people call themselves God's children.
I think a lot of the argument could be settled if people could just agree that this is a kind poetic endearment, not to be taken in such a literal sense. Of course God doesn't 'beget'. God is not a human.
There was a division in Christianity, in fact, over the issue of Trinity etc. (which is not in the Bible, to the best of my knowledge). It is said that Constantine himself converted outside of the Trinitarian circle.
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Peace,
The Bible uses "son(s) of the god" to talk about good, righteous people. The great reading (al-quran al-adhim) categorically rejects this kind of terminology. Bear in mind that Arabic is Semitic like Hebrew, but we find the great reading making no excuse for such a nonsense idiom
518 The Jews and the Nazarenes said, "We are the sons of the god and his beloved." Say, "Then why does he punish you for your sins? No! You are humans from what he created."
The god loves the righteous, but not enough to degrade himself in calling them his children. To be a "son of the god" is considered something superhuman - something supernatural - by the great reading.
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Dear Hawk,
The question of GOD having sons or children boils down to our definition of GOD Himself.
One of GOD?S attributes is being RICH/NOT NEEDY, 1068, 3126, 3515, and?
The Qur?aan tells us that it is not worthy of GOD to have any offspring, 4171. Why? The answer is very simple. GOD is NOT needy.
Let us start a logical argument regarding the subject.
What is the purpose behind the living to have offspring in the first place, including mankind? Let?s just stay with the human among other living creatures. What happens if man does not beget children? He will become extinct. Right?
Why extinction? He is mortal. Right? So in order for man not to die down as a species, he needs to reproduce.
Begetting is an evolutionary NECESSITY specific to the MORTAL animal kingdom not to become extinct.
Based on the above logical argument, does GOD need to have children? No. He is NOT MORTAL. He is the LINVING, the ETERNAL 2255.
Conclusion GOD does NOT have any NEED at all, including the need to have offspring.
4381, Say if the GRACIOUS/ALLAH had any child/offspring, then I?d be among the first of worshippers (i.e. worshipper of the child/offspring too). Why? The offspring is of the father?s essence, and ultimately his successor.
GOD DOES NOT NEED ANY SUCCESSOR, PARTNER, and or EQUAL. HE IS IMORTAL. HE IS THE LIVING, THE ETERNAL.
Peace,
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Peace,
The Bible uses "son(s) of the god" to talk about good, righteous people. The great reading (al-quran al-adhim) categorically rejects this kind of terminology. Bear in mind that Arabic is Semitic like Hebrew, but we find the great reading making no excuse for such a nonsense idiom
518 The Jews and the Nazarenes said, "We are the sons of the god and his beloved." Say, "Then why does he punish you for your sins? No! You are humans from what he created."
The god loves the righteous, but not enough to degrade himself in calling them his children. To be a "son of the god" is considered something superhuman - something supernatural - by the great reading.
"And the Jews and the Christians say We are the sons of God and His beloved ones. Then say Why does He then punished you for your faults? Nay, you are men from among those whom He has created, He forgives whom He pleases and punished whom He pleases; and to God's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is between them, and to Him is the eventual coming." (51
I don't see that the Quran rejects the terminology in the above verse..
What I see is that the Quran rejects "such proud claim" from the sectarian Jews and Christians.
Just because somebody is a member of Jews or Christian sect (or any other sect such as Sunni/Shiites/Quranites and others) doesn't mean that they're God's children / God's beloved.
If they do good.. well.. perhaps, if they do bad then God will still punish them for their faults.Thus the above verse clearly explained the criteria to be God's beloved / God's childrens (read God's people) is not related to which sect does a man belongs to, but it relates to their deeds. Everyone will get what they deserves.
Salam / Peace
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518 The Jews and the Nazarenes said, "We are the sons of the god and his beloved." Say, "Then why does he punish you for your sins? No! You are humans from what he created."
a father doesn't punish his children if they sin?
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Peace,
The Bible uses "son(s) of the god" to talk about good, righteous people. The great reading (al-quran al-adhim) categorically rejects this kind of terminology. Bear in mind that Arabic is Semitic like Hebrew, but we find the great reading making no excuse for such a nonsense idiom
518 The Jews and the Nazarenes said, "We are the sons of the god and his beloved." Say, "Then why does he punish you for your sins? No! You are humans from what he created."
The god loves the righteous, but not enough to degrade himself in calling them his children. To be a "son of the god" is considered something superhuman - something supernatural - by the great reading.
Bro, we're talking about a period in history when the Christian Church itself was greatly divided over the issue, to the point of hostile conflict. The Old Testament also quotes God as saying that he has proclaimed his people as gods and that he sits in council among the gods and so on...
Semetic writing doesn't use "it" to describe a thing. Like many languages, it attaches a gender to each word.
God is not a male and it is not a human. What you call The God... I call The Creator. It is, essentially, the same thing.
This is the point, here. And what the great reading and Islam itself is rejecting is the human arrogance which has divided people, divided "God" and found them attempting to recreate it in their own image(s).Thus, the end of Mecca as it was known. Much like Jesus going through the temple with a whip and stick.
It's about idolatry."Degradation" by relationship to humanity is pushing it a bit, don't you think?
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Peace
Part of the misunderstanding of the book revealed to Jesus arise from its translations to Greek and subsequently to English. To get a better understanding of some of the original text it is important to examine what was in the original Aramaic text.
Following link provides few instances of such corruption from the original language.
http//home.comcast.net/~rzuberi/articles/Being_Like_The_Teacher.pdf
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Yes.
Understanding Greek culture/history and its relationship to the Levant, to any extent at all, is rather valuable in trying to sort these mysteries as well.
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Thanks for this discussion. God be praised.