what sect
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I firmly believe truth is a process, not an achievement.
Tell me about it, ever tried getting the truth out of someone lying? Even after a long drawn out and very painful process, you're never really sure and by that time you don't feel like celebrating either or feel you've achieved much. I am bitter and have scarsWelcome to the OP.
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Tell me about it, ever tried getting the truth out of someone lying? Even after a long drawn out and very painful process, you're never really sure and by that time you don't feel like celebrating either or feel you've achieved much. I am bitter and have scars P
Welcome to the OP.
Not going to touch that SC, but I'll let you regale us with some of your bitter experiences tomorrow during the quranconnection chat. You coming online? I haven't been on in a few weeks.
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I was a God alone Christian too Rev. John, thanks to my mum really. I wasnt raised to believe Jesus was God, and the son if God only in the sense we are all children of God, so when I read Quran it made sense to me.
In my church we use both the Bible and the Quran. If you leave out all the peripherals, ie trinity, hadiths, etc the two religions are very close.
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Not going to touch that SC, but I'll let you regale us with some of your bitter experiences tomorrow during the quranconnection chat. You coming online? I haven't been on in a few weeks.
Neither have I, might drop by if the room doesn't insist on kicking me constantly, last time it was every few seconds so kinda impossible.
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In my church we use both the Bible and the Quran. If you leave out all the peripherals, ie trinity, hadiths, etc the two religions are very close.
Assalaamu Alaikum Dear Brother Reverend John,
I did breeze through your website. I do have to admit that you are indeed the living example of those in the verses 262 and 569 in the Qur?aan.
262, Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans - those who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.
569, Indeed, those who have believed and those who were Jews or Sabeans or Christians - those who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.
I also do consider you as a TRUE MUSLIM. You are my brother in faith. May GOD bless you, and guides us all in His light and continuously increases us our knowledge and guidance. GOD WILLING.
With Salaam,
Khalil -
Assalaamu Alaikum Dear Brother Reverend John,
I did breeze through your website. I do have to admit that you are indeed the living example of those in the verses 262 and 569 in the Qur?aan.
262, Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans - those who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.
569, Indeed, those who have believed and those who were Jews or Sabeans or Christians - those who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.
I also do consider you as a TRUE MUSLIM. You are my brother in faith. May GOD bless you, and guides us all in His light and continuously increases us our knowledge and guidance. GOD WILLING.
With Salaam,
KhalilThank you. You honour me by calling me a true Muslim. I believe that the true Christians are the God-alone Christians and the True Muslims are God-alone Muslims, both brothers in faith with each other
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we cannot forget the Jews in those passages, there are polite, honest, righteous, respectful, decent, hardworking, God fearing and charitable Jews who are our brothers and sisters in faith as well.
I have seen people saying things like "they (Nazis) should have killed all of them"
This was coming from a muslim. Please do not quote this and ask me well how do you know he is a muslim etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. or something of that ilk, he has informed me he has read the Qu'ran in its entirety, and although he refuses to divulge his position on hadith I have seen him speaking negatively about hadith, at first he used to say things like all hadith is bullshit, then he brought it down to at least 75 percent of hadith is bullshit, and then one day when I was talking about Surah 80 and asking how the Prophet pbuh could be perfect (according to hadith) in light of this Surah he simply replied with hadith = fabrication.
I understand his frustration/anger and where he is coming from, but I think this is too much.
This kind of speech gets people no where, and when you say these kinds of things the discourse is poisoned. No matter how honest and just the things you speak of may be, when you mix them with these kind of things a sizable percentage of people's hearts become hardened to what you are saying, and they will not listen to you because they only see your insults/cruel remarks and nothing else.
Some of us have the wisdom of practicing tolerance and patience to disregard insults and bitter/vitriolic accusations and can respond kindly and only with a spirit of truth and justice, but a sizable percentage of people will not do this. (from my experience anyway)
If anything I have noticed with my debates with strongly pro Israel Jews that some of them simply do not wish to speak with me any further when they realize I am not interested in getting into a heated/viral/back and forth argument filled with foul and cruel insults/statements, and they will in fact pursue discourse with opponents who will give them the insults that feed/buttress their sense of self righteousness...
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we cannot forget the Jews in those passages, there are polite, honest, righteous, respectful, decent, hardworking, God fearing and charitable Jews who are our brothers and sisters in faith as well.
I have seen people saying things like "they (Nazis) should have killed all of them"
This was coming from a muslim. Please do not quote this and ask me well how do you know he is a muslim etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. or something of that ilk, he has informed me he has read the Qu'ran in its entirety, and although he refuses to divulge his position on hadith I have seen him speaking negatively about hadith, at first he used to say things like all hadith is bullshit, then he brought it down to at least 75 percent of hadith is bullshit, and then one day when I was talking about Surah 80 and asking how the Prophet pbuh could be perfect (according to hadith) in light of this Surah he simply replied with hadith = fabrication.
I understand his frustration/anger and where he is coming from, but I think this is too much.
This kind of speech gets people no where, and when you say these kinds of things the discourse is poisoned. No matter how honest and just the things you speak of may be, when you mix them with these kind of things a sizable percentage of people's hearts become hardened to what you are saying, and they will not listen to you because they only see your insults/cruel remarks and nothing else.
Some of us have the wisdom of practicing tolerance and patience to disregard insults and bitter/vitriolic accusations and can respond kindly and only with a spirit of truth and justice, but a sizable percentage of people will not do this. (from my experience anyway)
If anything I have noticed with my debates with strongly pro Israel Jews that some of them simply do not wish to speak with me any further when they realize I am not interested in getting into a heated/viral/back and forth argument filled with foul and cruel insults/statements, and they will in fact pursue discourse with opponents who will give them the insults that feed/buttress their sense of self righteousness...
AK! Sober up and see the 1st directive in verse 443. laugh
Peace,
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Salaam Dear KA85,
My apologies. I shouldn't have assumed. I just found your post a bit off topic and somehow disoriented. Even though, I had no right to be presumptuous. Please forgive me.
Peace,
Khalillol you're right it was off topic I went on a little tangent. Of course you are forgiven, who am I to not forgive someone but yes I understand why you would say forgive me instead of assuming I should without asking, I understand. No but seriously that is one thing that I think we should be weary off, the whole insensitivity to the holocaust thing that seems to be prevalent
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lol you're right it was off topic I went on a little tangent. Of course you are forgiven, who am I to not forgive someone but yes I understand why you would say forgive me instead of assuming I should without asking, I understand. No but seriously that is one thing that I think we should be weary off, the whole insensitivity to the holocaust thing that seems to be prevalent
I'm not saying that I'm The God and that's why I will forgive someone, I had to make this clear as I was afraid that "who am I to not forgive someone" is a dangerous remark that needs clarification. I will forgive because I believe that when a person convinces in a reasonable way that they are sincerely sorry and feel remorse you should forgive.
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Hello all,
I am brand spanking new to Islam.
I come from a non-religious background. My dad was brought up Catholic, but doesn't have fond memories of his schooling and felt that religion caused too much conflict. My mom wasn't really brought up with a religion.
At my primary school we had weekly bible classes where we learnt bible stories etc and at some stage I started reading the bible, completely of my own accord.
Later in life I developed the same train of thought as my dad about religion and then eventually grew strong feelings that if there was a God and he was awesome, he wouldn't send good people of other beliefs to hell purely for the reason that they didn't know about or follow him.
I always thought that if a religion ever presented itself to me and answered my many questions in a way that sat well with me, that I would then believe in a God.
Up until recently my feelings about the injustice of life continued my belief in not believing.
Just over 2 years ago my boyfriend (of 4 years now) was introduced to Islam by a good friend of his. He had a similar upbringing to me, so his interest in Islam was quite a shock to me.
I love him a lot so I thought I would definitely need to look into the religion so that I could understand better his feelings and where he was at.
I looked online at websites and excerpts of the Quran and although there were many beautiful things that I read, there were certain things that didn't sit well with me and others that presented more questions.
Friends of mine would ask "Do you think you will ever convert?" and my answer would always be "Absolutely, no way!!"
2 years on and lots of arguments and misunderstandings later we had agreed to disagree and were quite unsure where to go from there.
Whilst visiting my family alone a book turned up at my mom's house in her mailbox. It was a mail drop of "A brief understanding of the Quran" or something like that. I thought to myself "interesting coincidence" and thought I would give it a read.
That night it was like an epiphany. I was reading many things I had already read but all of a sudden I had been given an entirely new perspective on the words.
The next day I did some more online research. I came across a lot of websites that made me think "this is not right", websites that said things that I knew in my heart couldn't be right if God is so awesome. But something inside me told me to keep searching. I knew that if I could have such a radical change in feelings
that there had to be something in it.
Finally I came across this website and another website. Finally my questions were answered.
There is so much confusion out there for someone exploring Islam. Of course I would never just read one website or one book and take that one account for fact, but when so many websites state the same things, it's easy to believe that version is the only Islam. And when that version has so many contradictions, it is very easy to dismiss the religion.
Lately I have been explaining to my friends a lot of the same misunderstandings that I myself had.
I never imagined that I would ever be a religious person and I think that alone is a testament to how amazing God is. My boyfriend prayed for me to find Islam and found it I have.
Thank you God for helping me find the right path. I can't wait to learn more. -
Hello all,
I am brand spanking new to Islam.
I come from a non-religious background. My dad was brought up Catholic, but doesn't have fond memories of his schooling and felt that religion caused too much conflict. My mom wasn't really brought up with a religion.
At my primary school we had weekly bible classes where we learnt bible stories etc and at some stage I started reading the bible, completely of my own accord.
Later in life I developed the same train of thought as my dad about religion and then eventually grew strong feelings that if there was a God and he was awesome, he wouldn't send good people of other beliefs to hell purely for the reason that they didn't know about or follow him.
I always thought that if a religion ever presented itself to me and answered my many questions in a way that sat well with me, that I would then believe in a God.
Up until recently my feelings about the injustice of life continued my belief in not believing.
Just over 2 years ago my boyfriend (of 4 years now) was introduced to Islam by a good friend of his. He had a similar upbringing to me, so his interest in Islam was quite a shock to me.
I love him a lot so I thought I would definitely need to look into the religion so that I could understand better his feelings and where he was at.
I looked online at websites and excerpts of the Quran and although there were many beautiful things that I read, there were certain things that didn't sit well with me and others that presented more questions.
Friends of mine would ask "Do you think you will ever convert?" and my answer would always be "Absolutely, no way!!"
2 years on and lots of arguments and misunderstandings later we had agreed to disagree and were quite unsure where to go from there.
Whilst visiting my family alone a book turned up at my mom's house in her mailbox. It was a mail drop of "A brief understanding of the Quran" or something like that. I thought to myself "interesting coincidence" and thought I would give it a read.
That night it was like an epiphany. I was reading many things I had already read but all of a sudden I had been given an entirely new perspective on the words.
The next day I did some more online research. I came across a lot of websites that made me think "this is not right", websites that said things that I knew in my heart couldn't be right if God is so awesome. But something inside me told me to keep searching. I knew that if I could have such a radical change in feelings
that there had to be something in it.
Finally I came across this website and another website. Finally my questions were answered.
There is so much confusion out there for someone exploring Islam. Of course I would never just read one website or one book and take that one account for fact, but when so many websites state the same things, it's easy to believe that version is the only Islam. And when that version has so many contradictions, it is very easy to dismiss the religion.
Lately I have been explaining to my friends a lot of the same misunderstandings that I myself had.
I never imagined that I would ever be a religious person and I think that alone is a testament to how amazing God is. My boyfriend prayed for me to find Islam and found it I have.
Thank you God for helping me find the right path. I can't wait to learn more.welcome )....its amazing to see how God help ppl find the truth when they really are willing to look for it..i admire ppl like u who do some research on islam at a point where all u see on media is images portraying this religion to be the exact opposite of wat it really is. im so happy to welcome u to this forum as my sister in faith ) i have to admit its very hard to get a true hold of islam when u see so many muslims following so many diff things..but i applaud urs and ur boyfriends perseverence. May Allah bless u always sun
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Hello all,
I am brand spanking new to Islam.
I come from a non-religious background. My dad was brought up Catholic, but doesn't have fond memories of his schooling and felt that religion caused too much conflict. My mom wasn't really brought up with a religion.
At my primary school we had weekly bible classes where we learnt bible stories etc and at some stage I started reading the bible, completely of my own accord.
Later in life I developed the same train of thought as my dad about religion and then eventually grew strong feelings that if there was a God and he was awesome, he wouldn't send good people of other beliefs to hell purely for the reason that they didn't know about or follow him.
I always thought that if a religion ever presented itself to me and answered my many questions in a way that sat well with me, that I would then believe in a God.
Up until recently my feelings about the injustice of life continued my belief in not believing.
Just over 2 years ago my boyfriend (of 4 years now) was introduced to Islam by a good friend of his. He had a similar upbringing to me, so his interest in Islam was quite a shock to me.
I love him a lot so I thought I would definitely need to look into the religion so that I could understand better his feelings and where he was at.
I looked online at websites and excerpts of the Quran and although there were many beautiful things that I read, there were certain things that didn't sit well with me and others that presented more questions.
Friends of mine would ask "Do you think you will ever convert?" and my answer would always be "Absolutely, no way!!"
2 years on and lots of arguments and misunderstandings later we had agreed to disagree and were quite unsure where to go from there.
Whilst visiting my family alone a book turned up at my mom's house in her mailbox. It was a mail drop of "A brief understanding of the Quran" or something like that. I thought to myself "interesting coincidence" and thought I would give it a read.
That night it was like an epiphany. I was reading many things I had already read but all of a sudden I had been given an entirely new perspective on the words.
The next day I did some more online research. I came across a lot of websites that made me think "this is not right", websites that said things that I knew in my heart couldn't be right if God is so awesome. But something inside me told me to keep searching. I knew that if I could have such a radical change in feelings
that there had to be something in it.
Finally I came across this website and another website. Finally my questions were answered.
There is so much confusion out there for someone exploring Islam. Of course I would never just read one website or one book and take that one account for fact, but when so many websites state the same things, it's easy to believe that version is the only Islam. And when that version has so many contradictions, it is very easy to dismiss the religion.
Lately I have been explaining to my friends a lot of the same misunderstandings that I myself had.
I never imagined that I would ever be a religious person and I think that alone is a testament to how amazing God is. My boyfriend prayed for me to find Islam and found it I have.
Thank you God for helping me find the right path. I can't wait to learn more.peace
Whomever GOD guides no-one can lead astray and from reading your story you have been rightly guided by GOD. welcome -
Hello all,
I am brand spanking new to Islam.
I come from a non-religious background. My dad was brought up Catholic, but doesn't have fond memories of his schooling and felt that religion caused too much conflict. My mom wasn't really brought up with a religion.
At my primary school we had weekly bible classes where we learnt bible stories etc and at some stage I started reading the bible, completely of my own accord.
Later in life I developed the same train of thought as my dad about religion and then eventually grew strong feelings that if there was a God and he was awesome, he wouldn't send good people of other beliefs to hell purely for the reason that they didn't know about or follow him.
I always thought that if a religion ever presented itself to me and answered my many questions in a way that sat well with me, that I would then believe in a God.
Up until recently my feelings about the injustice of life continued my belief in not believing.
Just over 2 years ago my boyfriend (of 4 years now) was introduced to Islam by a good friend of his. He had a similar upbringing to me, so his interest in Islam was quite a shock to me.
I love him a lot so I thought I would definitely need to look into the religion so that I could understand better his feelings and where he was at.
I looked online at websites and excerpts of the Quran and although there were many beautiful things that I read, there were certain things that didn't sit well with me and others that presented more questions.
Friends of mine would ask "Do you think you will ever convert?" and my answer would always be "Absolutely, no way!!"
2 years on and lots of arguments and misunderstandings later we had agreed to disagree and were quite unsure where to go from there.
Whilst visiting my family alone a book turned up at my mom's house in her mailbox. It was a mail drop of "A brief understanding of the Quran" or something like that. I thought to myself "interesting coincidence" and thought I would give it a read.
That night it was like an epiphany. I was reading many things I had already read but all of a sudden I had been given an entirely new perspective on the words.
The next day I did some more online research. I came across a lot of websites that made me think "this is not right", websites that said things that I knew in my heart couldn't be right if God is so awesome. But something inside me told me to keep searching. I knew that if I could have such a radical change in feelings
that there had to be something in it.
Finally I came across this website and another website. Finally my questions were answered.
There is so much confusion out there for someone exploring Islam. Of course I would never just read one website or one book and take that one account for fact, but when so many websites state the same things, it's easy to believe that version is the only Islam. And when that version has so many contradictions, it is very easy to dismiss the religion.
Lately I have been explaining to my friends a lot of the same misunderstandings that I myself had.
I never imagined that I would ever be a religious person and I think that alone is a testament to how amazing God is. My boyfriend prayed for me to find Islam and found it I have.
Thank you God for helping me find the right path. I can't wait to learn more.welcome