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Who are Al-kafirun ?

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    Mazhar
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    Peace, he does not need to come back Dear. However, he left the message for you and me to understand and follow. Are you willing to give up your ancestors blind following, like he did?

    Badar

    He left the Message in words of Arabic language. And one has to read it and follow it but it does not permit one to remove away "Qul" and starting writing his own thoughts and whispers.

    He Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam is here in this word if you try to accept and understand the abc of Arabic.

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      http//The whole message, is an address to all humans for all times, from our Rabb. Why should there be a meaning of Mohammad? Where do you get meanings of Mohammad in this verse/Sura, even in the tradition translation. Is there any word, which be could translated as Mohammad ?

      He Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam is here in this word if you try to accept and understand the abc of Arabic.

      It seem that all translations and the above post relate to the assumption that the Prophet(S) is being told to say to "someone something"with the use of word " Qul "
      While it seem that the translation of " Qul " in first post in this thread is being done as " Think with your mind, and then (say, and not only say, but ) make it manifest in your actions".
      This translation of Qul used here comes from details given in Lanes towards Qul, and hence is suggested as not just being addressed by our Creator to the Prophet(S) alone, but to all those who can think and understand and then move on to act whatever needs to be said and done.
      As I am understanding from the use of this word " Qul " here, is that after the stage of " Think with your mind, and then make it manifest in your actions ", it is being said which in detail analysis is presented to mean "Wake you, lethargics in unwise actions, the ones hiding the sufficient and fulfilling knowledge; due to the denial of facts and the ingratitude to all benevolent acts."

      Please tell me if I am assessing it correctly based on the initial post in the thread

      Peace

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        It seem that all translations and the above post relate to the assumption that the Prophet(S) is being told to say to "someone something"with the use of word " Qul "
        While it seem that the translation of " Qul " in first post in this thread is being done as " Think with your mind, and then (say, and not only say, but ) make it manifest in your actions".
        This translation of Qul used here comes from details given in Lanes towards Qul, and hence is suggested as not just being addressed to the Prophet(S) alone, but to all those who can think and understand and then move on to say whatever needs to be said.
        As I am understanding from the use of this word " Qul " here, is that after the stage of " Think with your mind, and then make it manifest in your actions ", you go ahaed and say which in detail analysis is presented to mean "Wake you, lethargics in unwise actions, the ones hiding the sufficient and fulfilling knowledge; due to the denial of facts and the ingratitude to all benevolent acts."

        Please tell me if I am assessing it correctly based on the initial post in the threadPeace

        Dear kn, I have posted on this before , is an imperative, from root verb . Since 2nd letter is Waw. It is a weak verb, classified in grammatical terms as Ajwaf. First rule of Ajwaf says if second letter of a root are Waw or Yaa and have any short vowel upon those. i.e., Fetha, Dumma, Kesra, and preceding letters have Fetha. Both Waw and Ya will change into Alif. Hence, written as . Now imperative, meaning a word implying command is longer in actual script, but due few rules of grammar, is written as ,

        Most people traditionally translate this as only "Say". However, what they do not take into account is; that this root belongs to what Arab grammarians called "verbs of mind". What do we do with mind? We think. Don't we?(I am not talking of mindless idiots). What ever we say we think before (in principle people with mind do and should), don't we? Our words and actions are reflection of our thoughts. Aren?t those?

        So to summarize, a verb of mind starts as thought, and then should manifest in ones words and action. All words and action without thought are action of animals, without mind like humans.

        Peace,

        Badar

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          Mazhar
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          Dear kn, I have posted on this before , is an imperative, from root verb .

          Who is that grammarian who makes imperative verb from perfect verb?

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            Mazhar
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            "verbs of mind".

            Would you like to define this term, giving its Arabic equivalent, and quoting some verbs of this category?

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              Dear kn, I have posted on this before , is an imperative, from root verb .
              that is not a root, that is a word using that root. Root letters have no vowels, vowels make the root letters into words like the one you posted. Your root says 'qa-wa-la'

              Since 2nd letter is Waw. It is a weak verb,
              Do you mean an irregular verb?

              classified in grammatical terms as Ajwaf. First rule of Ajwaf says if second letter of a root are Waw or Yaa and have any short vowel upon those. i.e., Fetha, Dumma, Kesra, and preceding letters have Fetha.

              The second letter does not have any of those 'upon' it and the preceeding does not have Fatha on it. Not in the Arabic Quran anyway, although your root letters do. )

              Both Waw and Ya will change into Alif. Hence, written as . Now imperative, meaning a word implying command is longer in actual script, but due few rules of grammar, is written as ,
              that says Qaal, not Qul. Alif and fatha is a long aa, nothing else.

              Most people traditionally translate this as only "Say". However, what they do not take into account is; that this root belongs to what Arab grammarians called "verbs of mind". What do we do with mind? We think. Don't we?(I am not talking of mindless idiots). What ever we say we think before (in principle people with mind do and should), don't we? Our words and actions are reflection of our thoughts. Aren?t those?
              this root belongs to speech, not mind or condition of mind. call, speak, utter, discourse, transmit.

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                bkanwar2
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                Let me give you both the answer from our Rabb. Then at later point will try to give Arabic lesson, that you are not very intrested in because you already know it all.

                Peace,

                Badar

                Surah 1051

                Why do not you perceive through your eyes and mind, how everything originated from your Rabb (Sustainer, Maintainer, Fosterer and Accomplisher); those ones who are containing error, weak in judgements and opinions side by side with their accomplices and companions.

                Surah 1052

                Has not the One created and brought all into existence, and yet they deceive, beguile and circumvent this. This causes them to be in error and to stray from the right course and true path.

                Surah 1053

                And whenever ease was brought upon them, due to the message; they fled from it, as dispersed multitudes, each blindly following another.

                Surah 1054

                They cast away the message from their grasp, furthermore to the extreme they hinder, prevent and prohibit others from what is in this written declaration.

                Surah 1055

                Consequently their existence will become like digested food blown away by violent winds.

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                  Mazhar
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                  Dear, why are you escaping the point under discussion and compounding your confusion?

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                    bkanwar2
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                    Who is that grammarian who makes imperative verb from perfect verb?

                    Dear Mazhar, do not act silly. You know it well, so do I, that, how imperative is formed, from a given root.

                    Would you like to define this term, giving its Arabic equivalent, and quoting some verbs of this category?

                    In Arabic these are called . If you have learned this term yet, please look up Wright vol ii, pages 48D.

                    Badar

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                      Mazhar
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                      Dear Mazhar, do not act silly. You know it well, so do I, that, how imperative is formed, from a given root.

                      In Arabic these are called . If you have learned this term yet, please look up Wright vol ii, pages 48D.

                      Badar

                      Dear, that is your basic problem. You read two three lines and build in your mind a presumptive theory and then start raising a hypothetical building over it. Find time to read all that to understand when a verb is called or becomes a verb of heart.

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