Quranist.com Pilgrimage & Calendar?
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According to http//www.quranists.com/pilgrimage.html, the year begins at the summmer solstice and pilgrimage on the 9th month.
Following the Quranically-based calendar (The Proper Calendar) starting at the summer solstice, following twelve 30 day months and having 5 exta days at the end (in total 73 five-day weeks) this pilgrimage would begin on the 9th month of the year and end at the start of the 12th month. In the Gregorian calendar that would be about roughly,........
So would the Quranic calendar be like this?(Northern Hemisphere)? They Dont actually have it outlined.
1-Muharram (begins on the crescent nearest the summer solstice in June)
2-Safar (July)
3-Rabiul-Awwal (August)
4-Rabi-uthani (September)
5-Jumadi-ul-Awwal (October)
6-Jumadi-uthani (November)
7-Rajab (December)
8-Sha'ban (January)
9-Ramadhan(February-Month of Fasting)
10-Shawwal (March)
11-Dhil-Q'ada (April)
12-Dhil-Hijja (May)
xx-5 extra days at the end of the year.I hope I have this right.
I really like their explaination of 12 months,Six 5 day weeks each=73 weeks as outlined in the Quran.
Another thing..it says
So the pilgrimage is a period of 3 respected/inviolable months (the 4th holy month is the month of fasting in a local season of heat) that is to fall in both winter and spring. Meaning that the vernal equinox should be smack dab in the middle of these 3 months.The 4th Holy month, is this refering to Ramadhan, which is the month of fasting? Ramadhan comes before the other inviolable months not after, so why is it refered to as the 4th Holy Month? And February isn't actually a month of heat here, June,July and August would be, is it in Arabia?
I'm getting confused when this site says, there are 3 months of pilgrimage, but saying that it begins with Ramadhan and then saying the 4th month is for fasting. Isn't the 4th month after Ramadhan Dhil-Hijja?
NoteGuess I was born on Ramadhan 3rd(February 20th) since the 1st crescent was on the 17th,making the 1st on the 18th in the year I was born.
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Peace Kadeen,
According to http//www.quranists.com/pilgrimage.html, the year begins at the summmer solstice and pilgrimage on the 9th month.
So would the Quranic calendar be like this?(Northern Hemisphere)? They Dont actually have it outlined.
1-Muharram (begins on the crescent nearest the summer solstice in June)
2-Safar (July)
3-Rabiul-Awwal (August)
4-Rabi-uthani (September)
5-Jumadi-ul-Awwal (October)
6-Jumadi-uthani (November)
7-Rajab (December)
8-Sha'ban (January)
9-Ramadhan(February-Month of Fasting)
10-Shawwal (March)
11-Dhil-Q'ada (April)
12-Dhil-Hijja (May)
xx-5 extra days at the end of the year.
I hope I have this right.I think that you misunderstood the article posted on Quranists.com. The article is not concerned with manmade names or order of months. It proposes that the word "ramadhan" is not even a name at all but a description. So, for example, a month of "heat" is not a month named Heat but can take place in February. It is literally a hot month.
I would suggest that you contact the author of the article on that site (his name is Anwar) and clarify with him. There is an extensive discussion about this issue, including the timing proposed by Anwar, on the following thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.0
It might take you a few hours to read the whole thread but it will show you the various view points on this issue so that you can come to your own conclusion and follow what you think is best.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Ayman, and thanks for the reply. Thanks for the explaination and your right I did misunderstand that part. The article did say that the pilgrimage did start in the 9th month though and according to that site it begin in our February, which would make the 3 months of pilgrimage begin in that month wouldnt it and not the month after it? But then it says the 3 months of pilgrimage is followed by the month of fasting. That would make fasting in the named month of Dhil-Hijja or May and not the 9th month. Or am just totally confused by his wording?
I may do that,contact the author that is.
Thanks for the link, I will look over it, as time allows.
God Bless!
Kadeen -
Peace,
Ayman is correct. Ramadan means intense or constant heat. Ramadan is a season not an actual month. The month of fasting is a 30 day period that falls within this season of heat.
THe 3 inviolable months are the months of pilgrimage, and they are to fall in both winter and spring. That means that the 90 day season for pilgrimage is to fall in a period that includes both winter and spring.
I hope this explains the timing found on the site.
If you mix the Islamic calendar with the Quranic calendar that I am proposing you will definitely be confused.
Muharram was made the first month after the death of the prophet and totally outside of the Quran. If we could back track the Islamic calender I wouldnt be suprised if Ramadan started around June-July in the time of the last prophet. But I am not dealing with the preIslamic names, nor am I trying to restore the pre islamic calendar.
I am trying to demonstrate a more accurate and purely Quranic calendar.Godbless,
Anwar -
first of all let us agree on what a shaher is ,
yes every one tell you it is a month ,well it is not .
all we know is that a shaher is present twelve times in a year.
and it is both lunar and solar.very well.
ok the prophet was told to tell us in the quran about the ahillat ,we need to use them so we know time of haj.good
so what is a shaher. it is the ahillat,but hey wait a minute am i saying that a month is from one ahillah to another.like maybe 26 days no not at all.
a ahillat is the combination of the hillals that is between or around five days. when the moon dies and there are those nights with out the moon then the moon is born again.those nights are what we call a shaher.yes those nights with out a moon.
yes that is a shaher and i will show you why. is is like only about five days.
and we have twelve of them in one year.so that we know the years.
good so it starts with the deiing of the moon to the birth of a new one,now why did allah tell us in the verse in the quran that we should come the homes from the door and not from the back,for if we count the ahiilat from the birth of a new moon then one shaher would be like 26 days but if come from the door of the shaher it will be like only five days.
strange what makes me say that,ok give one more minute.see about ashhur el haram,what could there be that we know them.
bare with me ,so now we know that a shaher is not the moon cycle,but the cycle of the ahillat.great,so how do we know ashhur al haram,we know from quran they are four.in one year four of those shahers have less nights then the ussuall ashhur.yes it is strange they are the shahers that come after the shaher of ramadan.and i will tell you how we know it is ramadan ,give me another minute.
onlythose ashhur all haram are seperate from eachother they like have two ashhur between them that are regular ashhur.in ahshur all haram their nights are only four and the rest of the ashhur have five nights.
so ashhur all haram are about four days long each and they are four.they come in pairs,this is what the test shows and often they are devided by a pair of regular shahers not months dont make the mistake of thinking a shaher is month.
it is a shaher ,the days and nights where one cannot see the mooon between the ahillat.
then we need to know when is ramadan.for it is true that the ashhur all haram start after the shaher of ramadan and that is what i have noticed.so know how do we know that ramadan has started.
or it is the coming shaher .
the quran tells us that the shaher of ramadan is a shaher of bayinat that we will be signaled with many signs to know it is it.
so let us see,since it is only a five night and day shaher as all the other regular shahers then it must be evident during the days that come before it that will give us all those signs.that it will be clear that this month is different.
so let us see together what are those signs.
1-the rain will start to fall again after a long summer.ramadan
2 change of season.
3-plants beggin to grow again.
4-the days stop form getting bigger and they start to get smaller.
5-one big moon in the sky and i mean really big. the biggest you can find all year round.the collor is different too.
6-the sun is different during sun set even after it sets those collors are differnt and the sun have a round shape we can see,with out hurting our eyes.it is also the biggest sun we can ever see.
7- all this in a few days likesome twenty days.or twenty six and can be found together with in that time frame.
6-some call the moon the harvest moon for the fulll moon during that time is full of light,and one can see very clearly.
so we get all those signs and then we know that the time this time when the moon is not there any more for those comming few days it is called the shaher of ramadan.yes five days we are ordered to fast those days without a moon.
during those days is lalayet al qadr.remmember when the quran says,(wa kan kaba qawsayne aw adna)yes between those too cresents when there is no moon to light the night,and there is only darkness it is the shaher.
the thing about those ashhur el hurum and ramadan well they dont change seasons,yes mostly ramadan is in september or october,and the hurum ashhur basically come,in march april and october december.
but do the experiments your selfs dont take my word for it.
inshaalah allah will lead us with the quran and nothing else,every thing else is shurk and will result in many ikhtilaf.
brother please forgive me if i have mistaken or mislead you in any way.
Allah knows best.