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Breaking the Taboos of Islam

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    Mazhar
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    to our concept of Allah

    Little correction needed,

    "to bkanwar2's concept of Allah".

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      afridi220
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      Little correction needed,

      "to bkanwar2's concept of Allah".

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        Mazhar
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        afridi,

        No relevance to bkanwar2 perception; your birds seem to be doing against ground reality. Female is making advances for kiss. Normally it is observed other way round.

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          afridi220
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          afridi,

          No relevance to bkanwar2 perception; your birds seem to be doing against ground reality. Female is making advances for kiss. Normally it is observed other way round.

          But did you ever notice a female pigeon does the same, when her male start teasing other female pigeons.

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            unknownuser
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            Little correction needed,

            "to bkanwar2's concept of Allah".

            rotfl

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              bkanwar2
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              My purpose by this write up was not to hurt any-body's feelings. I strongly feel that the current quagmire Muslims find themselves in, is due intellectual inertia of centuries. Hence, solution to this, has to be intellectual and from within. We already are witnessing that a forceful solution, be external or internal is unlikely to meet with success.

              Strong hold of institutionalized Islam has systematically suppressed, any intellectual inquiry, over last hundred of years.

              As a start one needs to understand some very basic concepts.

              What is a God? As we are aware of, that it is an English word. The Western scholars of philosophy define it as a title word and not a name. A title that entitle something or somebody, worthy of human worship. The Arabic word Allah traditionally has been understood as same. Hence, translated as God.

              Additionally, concept of God always imply something Holy, or other and transcendent. Hence, lot of Western scholars have come to conclusion that scientific methods of inquiry can not applied to something that is transcendent.

              However, since Bible was a written script. Hence, they could and did apply scientific inquiry into it. Based upon this, they admit that it is a book about Jesus and not what he taught or religion of Jesus.

              Our situation is similar. We have a written script in the form Quran. We have been handed institutionalized meanings of it. However, the text is available for scientific inquiry to either confirm or otherwise.

              This is what I have been doing. Under such analysis most fundamental understandings and terms seem to shake. However, like any scientific experiment, my experiment needs to repeated either to be confirmed or be refuted. But this needs to be done with an open mind and without any biases. Otherwise, we know that a scientific experiment can produce results as good as biases of experimenters.

              Will continue...

              Badar

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                What is a God? As we are aware of, that it is an English word. The Western scholars of philosophy define it as a title word and not a name. A title that entitle something or somebody, worthy of human worship. The Arabic word Allah traditionally has been understood as same. Hence, translated as God.

                This is what I have been doing. Under such analysis most fundamental understandings and terms seem to shake. However, like any scientific experiment, my experiment needs to repeated either to be confirmed or be refuted. But this needs to be done with an open mind and without any biases. Otherwise, we know that a scientific experiment can produce results as good as biases of experimenters.

                The ancient israelites called God as "He Who Is" (YHVH)...

                Here's an excerpt from Tao Te Ching on the definition of TAO... a food for your thought..

                "There was something undefined and complete, coming into
                existence before Heaven and Earth. How still it was and formless,
                standing alone, and undergoing no change, reaching everywhere and in
                no danger It may be regarded as the source of all things.

                I do not know its name, and thus let's give it the designation of "Tao"
                Making a further effort to give it a name I call it The Great.

                The Tao that can be trodden is not the enduring and
                unchanging Tao. The name that can be named is not the enduring and
                unchanging name.

                having no name, it is the Originator of heaven and earth;
                having a name, it is the Mother of all things.

                Man takes his law from the Earth; the Earth takes its law from
                Heaven; Heaven takes its law from the Tao. The law of the Tao is its
                being what it is.

                The Tao, considered as unchanging a, has no name.

                The things which from of old have got the One (the Tao) are--

                Heaven which by it is bright and pure;
                Earth rendered thereby firm and sure;
                Spirits with powers by it supplied;
                Valleys kept full throughout their void
                All creatures which through it do live
                Princes and kings who from it get
                The model which to all they give.

                All these are the results of the One (Tao).

                If heaven were not thus pure, it soon would rend;
                If earth were not thus sure, it would break and bend;
                Without these powers, the spirits soon would fail;
                If not so filled, the drought would parch each vale;
                Without that life, creatures would pass away;
                Princes and kings, without that moral sway,
                However grand and high, would all decay.

                The relation of the Tao to all the world is like that of the great
                rivers and seas to the streams from the valleys."

                -- Excerpt from Tao Te Ching

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                  bkanwar2
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                  Jafar thanks for pointing to this. Quranic concept is very vague too. Most clear is the word Rabb= Sustainer, Maintainer, Foster and accomplisher. Still very vague.

                  Peace,

                  Badar

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                    Mazhar
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                    Words are not vague. They convey a certain meaning and perception. Vagueness is found in one's mind.

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                      bkanwar2
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                      Words are not vague. They convey a certain meaning and perception. Vagueness is found in one's mind.

                      Or conversely, idols could be in just mind only. One says there is nothing or nobody having any resemblance or likeliness to One. How could one make a clear image of One. If one has one, could it be One?

                      Peace,

                      Badar

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                        Mazhar
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                        Give a second thought to your own words, may be you perceive the difference between the both. Idol is finite. Infinte goes out of the realm of "shai"-thing-finite-subject to dimensions.

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