Jilbab [Quran 33:59]
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Salam, brothers and sisters,
Thanks for all the good answers. I'll certainly make good use of them.
Btw., welcome back, reformer.
I've lurked around here long enough to know who he is and what he stands for, so I can't help but feel a little bit insulted. confused
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I've lurked around here long enough to know who he is and what he stands for, so I can't help but feel a little bit insulted. confused
Please don't. peace
If I jumped to conclusions, please forgive me. I've had a bit too much of stalking and trolling recently, and your post rang a particular bell.
Welcome, and good that you stopped lurking. I lurked for years, so I know what it feels like to suddenly put your thoughts out there for everyone to read. &
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Mazhar
.....hang downwards not upwards from shoulders to face....
What do you mean? Why start from Shoulders?
So you mean to say that before this Ayat the ladies were wearing Skirts? or roaming with open bossoms? that is why they were told to lengthen their garments from shoulders down ward? that is not logical, that makes no sense, Mazhar sahib, the only sense it makes is to down from face or head..
Now the only argument that is possible is that this Ayat was for a particular time and situation as we come to know from History, and by Ijitihaad we may ammend it according to situation, but to say it was not there in first place is to deny what should not be denied....idna' is to draw close and wrap up, but when this word is used with the associating particle ala, it gives the meaning of letting something down from above...
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So you mean to say that before this Ayat the ladies were wearing Skirts? or roaming with open bossoms?
You seem to draw conclusion even without paying a little attention to the words of the Aayat.
Face is the uppermost part of body. "yudnina" is imperfect verb, form-IV, transitive, "na" is the subject of verb, plural; feminine; third person; its verbal noun is , which clearly rules out "wrapping/covering face" and restricts meanings to let it draw downwards, hang downwards not upwards from shoulders to face.
.This is with reference to which are not the part of the dress on body as sewn clothes. And it is not small head scarf but a big unsewn sheet of cloth. It is larger than which are drawn at home upon the chest over and above the clothes, to obscure the visibility of naturally raised part of the body of women. Another area of attraction is the pelvic area. Women while going out are advised to lower it to cover that area also. Faces of women do not disturb any body, but these two areas of some lady can disturb the onlooker even if he otherwise is a nice guy. Look at showbiz people, they highlight and make prominent only these two areas, for obvious reasons.
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tum ko mirza ghalib ki nazam kisi ko khush nahi karti, so just stick to english peace
laugh
nahiN khhel ai daaGh yaaroN se kehdo
ke aati hai Urdu zabaaN aate aate -
Mazhar
Faces of women do not disturb any body, but these two areas of some lady can disturb the onlooker even if he otherwise is a nice guy. Look at showbiz people, they highlight and make prominent only these two areas, for obvious reasons
Mazhar
It is larger than which are drawn at home upon the chest over and above the clothes, to obscure the visibility of naturally raised part of the body of women. Another area of attraction is the pelvic area. Women while going out are advised to lower it to cover that area also
Well, let us see what do ladies have to say about this? two parts of their bodies disturb MEN, and Allah told to cover them.
A nice Guy can also be attracted towards eyes, feet, hands, hair... hair as Afridi has pointed out is the most discussed part of the body in poetry.
The fact is just to twist original and simple command you have to come up with such a logic, supported by Movies.afridi
Qurban jaon aapke urdu se
a kiss from me too.
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Well, let us see what do ladies have to say about this? two parts of their bodies disturb MEN, and Allah told to cover them.
A nice Guy can also be attracted towards eyes, feet, hands, hair... hair as Afridi has pointed out is the most discussed part of the body in poetry.
The fact is just to twist original and simple command you have to come up with such a logic, supported by Movies.Attraction and "disturbance" are two different things.
is reflected from the face and there is no advice anywhere in Qur'aan to cover it. -
Ayisha
You are the one twisting a simple command to cover the bosom and saying it means face!!
so you agree that two parts of women actually, "disturb" Men?
I think it is never enough, Ok, Please let me know why did Allah told to cover the Bosoms? why? Why? and
I will be desperately waiting for reply, but be careful in answering, it may contradict your whole argument. -
Ayisha
so you agree that two parts of women actually, "disturb" Men?
I think it is never enough, Ok, Please let me know why did Allah told to cover the Bosoms? why? Why? and
I will be desperately waiting for reply, but be careful in answering, it may contradict your whole argument.I agree that the 2 parts are what are called 'private parts' and should be covered. you ask me WHY Allah said cover the bosom? because it is a private part of a woman which is used to feed a child when the child needs feeding and that part would be exposed at that time and possibly not considered as a private part. That is my logic although I cannot answer for Allah WHY he particularly said that at that time just as you cant answer WHY he DID NOT say face and according to you means face.
Answered quickly as possible so you dont get over excited and wet yourself, all this talk of bosoms has got to get you onto bikinis and nakedness at some point as it always does.
Also to point out that although men like you can get excited over hands, feet, eyes, chins, and earlobes, not all men are like that and Allah did not say face or any of the other parts you get excited over because he wasnt concerned with men like you as you are the minority.
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Ayisha
Answered quickly as possible so you dont get over excited and wet yourself, all this talk of bosoms has got to get you onto bikinis and nakedness at some point as it always does.
and the result of quickness is a disaster
I agree that the 2 parts are what are called 'private parts' and should be covered. you ask me WHY Allah said cover the bosom? because it is a private part of a woman which is used to feed a child when the child needs feeding and that part would be exposed at that time and possibly not considered as a private part. That is my logic although I cannot answer for Allah WHY he particularly said that at that time just as you cant answer WHY he DID NOT say face and according to you means face.
Mazhar said because these two parts "disturb" MEN.
You think these two parts are private and others are public property laugh
dear, did you even understand what I asked? Why Allah commanded to lenghthen the garments, the women are already wearing garments prior to this verse or were they nude? if they were nude then it is understandable that Allah ordered them to cover up private parts, but if they were wearing some garments why double cover them? or even double covering them can hide these parts?
Since I don't want you to be let down, here are some bikinis. Let me ask that these ladies and gentle man is covering the parts that disturb men according to Mazhar, and private parts according to you, so is it fine with you? -
Mazhar said because these two parts "disturb" MEN.
Then speak with Mazhar about it.You think these two parts are private and others are public property laugh
It was Allah said private parts and you are laughing at Allah's words.dear, did you even understand what I asked? Why Allah commanded to lenghthen the garments, the women are already wearing garments prior to this verse or were they nude?
Lengthen means to make longer from the bottom edge, not from the top.
if they were nude then it is understandable that Allah ordered them to cover up private parts, but if they were wearing some garments why double cover them? or even double covering them can hide these parts?
Your problem is with Allahs instructions, take it up with Him.
Since I don't want you to be let down, here are some bikinis. Let me ask that these ladies and gentle man is covering the parts that disturb men according to Mazhar, and private parts according to you, so is it fine with you?
let me down? its you that sees nudity and bikinis everywhere, not me.
if you have a problem with what Mazhar has said then take it up with him.
In all of this you conveniently forget the instruction to YOU to lower your gaze anyway, instead you want women covered from head to toe so YOU dont get excited.
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herbman
The whole idea of the verse is to protect the women which are the weakest to be protected from offenses from offenders.
nope this idea again gives Men the upper hand, as protectors, and you call the women "Weakest", you have commited a great SIN brother, in eyes of FEMINISTS, Please say
"Estghfurallah"
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Mazhar said because these two parts "disturb" MEN.
You think these two parts are private and others are public property
dear, did you even understand what I asked? Why Allah commanded to lenghthen the garments, the women are already wearing garments prior to this verse or were they nude? if they were nude then it is understandable that Allah ordered them to cover up private parts, but if they were wearing some garments why double cover them? or even double covering them can hide these parts?
Since I don't want you to be let down, here are some bikinis. Let me ask that these ladies and gentle man is covering the parts that disturb men according to Mazhar, and private parts according to you, so is it fine with you?Raaajah.
To have a dirty mind and to understand what really sex means are two different things. Human sex system is inbuilt and it can become "operative" even without one's preconceived intention. And neither your brain is making any distinction about the clothes already on the body of women as dress and additional unsewn sheet placed over and above the body. The dress, sewn may or may not hide the contours of the body. But an unsewn sheet hides/obscures the contours and that is the function of additional sheet. And instead you put dirty pictures.
And let me tell you the type of man, though tall, you have brought in, his features and few other signs indicate that he belongs to that category who is never disturbed by any scene of women. He just befools himself of his inner shortcomings by such postures with professional women.
Request to Moderators Please delete these odd pictures, and when so decided, pl also delete last para of this post.
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Mazhar
Raaajah.
To have a dirty mind and to understand what really sex means are two different things
Oh boy, It was you who said that, "two parts" of women disturb Men and then you named those "two" parts, backed up by may be example of Pushto Movies, and all of sudden Some one else is Dirty mind bravo
It is up there in your Mind, that these "two" specific parts can disturb you and may be are disturbing you,
The picture I posted was for more free-minded people like Ayisha and Leyna, who think they can wera what ever seems fit to them, as long as Bosoms are covered, the two ladies in picture are covering the Bosoms and front. After the picture there was a qusetion to Ayisha, your getting annoyed does not seems proper.
However your comment on that tall GUY really needs a lot of experience.