The Quran - 4:24, 25
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Peace,
Respectfully.424 And the already protected from the women, except those maintained by your oaths; the book of God over you; and permitted for you is what is beyond this, if you are seeking with your money to be protected and not for unlawful sex. As for those whom you have already had joy with, then you shall give them their dowries as an obligation. There is no sin upon you for what you agree on after the obligation. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
425 And whoever of you cannot afford to marry the protected female believers, then from those maintained by your oaths of the believing young women. And God is more aware of your faith, some of you to each other. You shall marry them with the permission of their parents and give them their dowries in kindness; to be protected, not for illicit sex or taking lovers. If they become protected, then any of them who come with lewdness shall have half of what is the punishment for those already protected. This is for those who are concerned about deviating from among you. But if you are patient it is better for you, and God is Forgiver, Merciful.Can someone explain these two to me, because i'm having difficulties. I understand english, Thank God but this is what i need to understand
And the already protected from the women, except those maintained by your oaths; the book of God over you; and permitted for you is what is beyond this, if you are seeking with your money to be protected and not for unlawful sex.
Protected?
From whom?
Or by whom?Appreciate your speedy responses,
Glory be to our God.
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Peace
I am just copying and pasting 4 different translations here, in case it helps, Inshallah (Don't know why the forbidden/prohibited is in brackets though in all apart from the last one)
M.Asad
424 And all married women other than those whom you rightfully possess this is God's ordinance, binding upon you. But lawful to you are all beyond these, for you to seek out, offering them of your possessions, taking them in honest wedlock, and not in fornication. And unto those with whom you desire to enjoy marriage, you shall give the dowers due to them; but you will incur no sin if, after this lawful due, you freely agree with one another upon anything behold, God is indeed all-knowing, wise.
425 And as for those of you who, owing to cir?cumstances, are not in a position to marry free believing women, believing maidens from among those whom you rightfully possess. And God knows all about your faith; each one of you is an issue of the other. Marry them, then, with their people's leave, and give them their dowers in an equitable manner - they being women who give themselves in honest wedlock, not in fornication, nor as secret love-companions. And when they are married, and thereafter become guilty of immoral conduct, they shall be liable to half the penalty to which free married women are liable. This to those of you who fear lest they stumble into evil. But it is for your own good to persevere in patience and God is much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace.
Yusuf ALi
424 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
425 If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Picktall
424 And all married women (are forbidden unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.
425 And whoso is not able to afford to marry free, believing women, let them marry from the believing maids whom your right hands possess. Allah knoweth best (concerning) your faith. Ye (proceed) one from another; so wed them by permission of their folk, and give unto them their portions in kindness, they being honest, not debauched nor of loose conduct. And if when they are honorably married they commit lewdness they shall incur the half of the punishment (prescribed) for free women (in that case). This is for him among you who feareth to commit sin. But to have patience would be better for you. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Khalifa
Also prohibited are the women who are already married, unless they flee their disbelieving husbands who are at war with you. These are GOD's commandments to you. All other categories are permitted for you in marriage, so long as you pay them their due dowries. You shall maintain your morality, by not committing adultery. Thus, whoever you like among them, you shall pay them the dowry decreed for them. You commit no error by mutually agreeing to any adjustments to the dowry. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.
Those among you who cannot afford to marry free believing women, may marry believing slave women. GOD knows best about your belief, and you are equal to one another, as far as belief is concerned. You shall obtain permission from their guardians before you marry them, and pay them their due dowry equitably. They shall maintain moral behavior, by not committing adultery, or having secret lovers. Once they are freed through marriage, if they commit adultery, their punishment shall be half of that for the free women. Marrying a slave shall be a last resort for those unable to wait. To be patient is better for you. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.Peace
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I've been wondering about this too recently.
424 And all married women other than those whom you rightfully possess
The "through wedlock" is obviously not in the literal translation of the Qur'an. So reading this verse, it sounds as if all married women are forbidden to men (obviously, as they're already married to someone else) except those whom your right hands possess. Does this not support the view that sex with slaves are allowed, regardless if they happen to be already married prior to being captured (as suggested by the above verse). The article http//www.free-minds.org/malakat doesn't address this verse so I was wondering what the explanation is.
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Hi.
The correct translation is "....except those committed to you by oath" , NOT "those whom you rightfully possess" or "those whom your hands possess".
The phrase in question here "ma malakat aymanukum"
The Arabic word "aymanukum" is plural for "yameenukum" , which can mean either "your right hand" , or "you oath".
There are no less than a dozen ayahs of the Quran, where this EXACT same word appears, and is correctly translated by the so-called "scholars of tradition" as meaning OATHS.
Here are some examples
{And do not make Allah the subject of your casual OATHS (aymanukum). Be righteous and secure and reconcile among the people; and Allah is Hearer, Knower * Allah will not call you to account for your casual OATHS (aymanukum); but He will call you to account for what has entered your hearts. Allah is 'ghafurun', 'raheem'} ....
another
{And do not be like she who unraveled her knitting after it had become strong, by breaking your OATHS (aymanukum) as a means of deception between you. That a nation shall be more numerous than another nation, for Allah puts you to the test by it. And He will show you on the Era of Resurrection that which you were disputing in} .....
another
{And do not use your OATHS (aymanukum) as a means of deception between you, that a foot will slip after it has been made firm, and you will taste the evil of turning away from the path of Allah, and you will have a great retribution} ........
another
{O you 'nabi' (Muhamad)!, why do you make unlawful what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking to please your wives? Allah is 'ghafurun', 'raheem' * Allah has already given the law, (in previously revealed ayahs), regarding the cancellation of your OATHS (aymanukum). And Allah is your 'rabb' (developper and sustainer), and He is the Knowledgeable, the Wise.} ..........
The above two ayahs (aside from the fact that they completely destroy the fallacious belief that Muhamad was infallible), are a clear reference to earlier revelations concerning how a believer can escape from a binding OATH (yameen) he or she had made. (See 589 for the details of this, and another clear example of how "aymanukum" means OATHS).
The phrase "Ma malakt aymanukum" which appears many times in the Quran, is reffering to those unfortunate people (men AND women), who are financially dependant, and have no-one to care for them. In the case of the women, the Quran tells us that the believing (muslim) man can take such women UNDER HIS OATH to care for them. Technically, it is a bond akin to , or which can eventually lead to marriage.
The phrase does NOT mean "slaves that your right hands possess".
The most powerfull evidence that exposes the corruption crimes of the classical scholars (who have sworn not to let the Quran speak for itself, but to let Abu Huraira explain it for them), is the following
{And for each We have made inheritors for what was left behind by the parents and the relatives. And THOSE BOUND BY YOUR OATHS ('allazheena a'akidat aymanukum' you shall give them their portion. Allah is a witness over all things} ..........
In the above ayah, we see Allah including "those bound by oaths" (men AND women), among those who should be given a portion of inheritance.
Please analyse it for your self, and reflect on its meaning.
As you can see, the word "right hand" is used in Arabic as an idiomatic expression meaning "sworn OATH". The classical scholars know this very well. But because of their criminal dark hearts, hypocricy, chauvanism, and sexual deviance, they intentionally interpret the expression as "right hand" or "possessed slave concubines", everytime the subject deals with the laws of marriage, in order to grant themselves the license to hold an unlimited number of sexual partners.(After all, their version of the messenger Muhamad was a pedofile, and an insatiable sex maniac).
Now, after shedding light on this corruption, we can address the question of brother Mushu.
The ayah 424 is setting a restriction That believing men are NOT permitted to marry certain women. Among these restricted women, are
{.....all married women except those committed to you by OATHS} <------ that's the correct translation.
Does this not support the view that sex with slaves are allowed, regardless if they happen to be already married prior to being captured (as suggested by the above verse)
No, it does NOT.
To better understand what is meant in 424, and sticking to the belief that the Quran's ayahs explain themselves, and do need the explanations of Abu Hurayra (the "Father of the Kitten" - a fictitous 'companion' created by the perverted, diseased mind of Bukhary), let's take a closer look at the following
{O you who believe, if the believing women come emigrating to you, then you shall test them. Allah is fully aware of their faith. Thus, if you establish that they are believers, then you shall not return them to the rejecters ( i.e their husbands). They are no longer lawful for one another. And return the dowries that were paid (by their husbands). And there is no sin upon you to marry them, if you have paid their dowries to them. And do not keep disbelieving wives, and ask back what dowries you paid. And let them ask back what dowries they had paid. Such is the judgment of Allah; He judges between you. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.} ..........
Dear Mushu Is there anyone more qualified to explain Allah's revelations than Allah HIMSELF? The Sunnis believe Bukhary is more qualified than Allah.
What do you think?The ayah 6610 answers all your questions, and puts all misconceptions about what "malakat aymanukum" means to rest. The ayah is telling us, in words that are as clear as the sun, that when the wives of disbelieveing men embrace the faith, they can no longer tolerate to remain living with their husbands, and so they may eventually emigrate to seek asylum with faithful men. The faithful swear an OATH to take these women under their wing, because they no longer have anyone to care for them. Technically these women are now "committed by OATH". This is an example of "ma malakat aymanukum". The faithfull men can marry these women, if they mutually agree, but they must pay back the dowries to their original husbands.
The law established in 6010 constitutes the ONLY instance wherein a faithful man can marry an already married woman.
Dear Mushu
The explanation to the ayahs that puzzled you in 424 is found in 6010.
The criminals who continue to rely on man-made innovations and traditions to intrepret the Quran will never be able to understand Alla's revelations.
Peace..
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Thanks for the explanation. I'll respond to each point after I've had some time to reflect on what y
One more verse making reference to the same category of people
O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war,
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What are the spoils of war mentioned in this verse?
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Salaam pazuzu,
The phrase "Ma malakt aymanukum" which appears many times in the Quran, is reffering to those unfortunate people (men AND women), who are financially dependant, and have no-one to care for them.
I agree with all you've said, and translating ma malakat aymanukum as 'what your oaths possess' or 'what you possess by your oaths' is obvious. But I interpret that as people to whom you are betrothed, such as fiances, for example, or to whom you've promised marriage, and not as financially dependent women or men. Why have you interpreted it as people whom are "financially dependent"?
