why do imams scream in the mosques?!
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Surely Imamas should praise them in MAsjids, as princess advises.
oh dear here you are lying again, it was actually YOU that said that which was twisted from what princess actually did say, which was nothing like this.
You asked to be educated as you cant be bothered to use google I did it for you.
What is Zionism
Zionism is a movement founded by Theodor Herzl in 1896 whose goal is the return of Jews to Eretz Yisrael, or Zion, the Jewish synonym for Jerusalem and the Land of Israel.The name of "Zionism" comes from the hill Zion, the hill on which the Temple of Jerusalem was situated.
Supporters of this movement are called "Zionists".
The purpose of this website is to explain why traditional Jews do not support Zionism (the return to the land called "Israel" and why the Zionist idealogy is totally contrary to traditional Jewish law and beliefs and the teachings of the Holy Torah.
Zionism Promotes Anti-Semitism
Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause, the creation of a separate state for Jews. To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained ?we must, above all, make it an international political issue.?
Herzl wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome ?final solution of the Jewish question.? In his ?Diaries?, page 19, Herzl stated ?Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.?
Zionist reliance on Anti-Semitism to further their goals continues to this day. Studies of immigration records reflect increased immigration to the Zionist state during times of increased anti-Semitism. Without a continued inflow of Jewish immigrants to the state of "Israel", it is estimated that within a decade the Jewish population of the Zionist state will become the minority.
In order to maintain a Jewish majority in the state of "Israel", its leaders promote anti-Semitism throughout the world to "encourage" Jews to leave their homelands and seek "refuge".
Over the recent years there has been a dramatic rise in hate rhetoric and hate crimes targeted toward Jews
- In Turkey...horrifying suicide bombings at two synagogues left 25 people dead and hundreds more injured.
- In Britain...Scotland Yard recently warned Britain's Jewish Community that it faced imminent terrorist attacks after police spotted and questioned a group of "tourists" taking covert videotape of the Jewish community buildings in London.
- In France...a caution was issued after an arson attack gutted a suburban Paris Jewish school--the latest incident in a frightening wave of French anti-Semitism.
- BBC - UK "In recent weeks, a poll for the European Commission suggesting that EU citizens see Israel as the biggest threat to world peace caused outrage among Israelis."
Anti-Semitic acts are on the rise across Europe and beyond. From Antwerp and London to Berlin and Istanbul, Jews are living in fear.
On November 17, 2003 Zionist leader, Ariel Sharon, the Israeli prime minister, told Jews in Italy the best way to escape "a great wave of anti-Semitism" is to move and settle in the state of Israel. This has been the Zionist ideology from the beginning to the present time. "The best solution to anti-Semitism is immigration to Israel. It is the only place on Earth where Jews can live as Jews," he said.
July 28, 2004 200 French Jews emigrated to Israel following a wave of Anti-Semitism. They were personally greeted by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who recently urged French Jews to flee to Israel to escape rising anti-Semitism.
On July 18, 2004, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon urged all French Jews to move to Israel immediately to escape anti-Semitism. He told a meeting of the American Jewish Association in Jerusalem that Jews around the world should relocate to Israel as early as possible. But for those living in France, he added, moving was a "must" because of rising violence against Jews there. "
The term "Zionism" was first introduced in 1893 by Nathan Birmbaum, but Theodor Herzl, an Austrian Jew born to a prosperous, emancipated Budapest family, is recognized as the founder of the Zionist idealogy when he published his book in 1896, "The Jewish State", where he declared that the cure for anti-semitism was the establishment of a Jewish state. As he saw it, the best place to establish this state was in Palestine.
While Herzl claimed that the establishment of a "Jewish" state would cure anti-Semitism, he also promoted anti-Semitism to further his cause.
Herzl stated in his diary?It is essential that the sufferings of Jews.. . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best friends?. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)
Benny Morris (the Israeli Historian), described how Herzl foresaw how anti-Semitism could be "HARNESSED" for the realization of Zionism. He stated
"Herzl regarded Zionism's triumph as inevitable, not only because life in Europe was ever more untenable for Jews, but also because it was in Europe's interests to rid the Jews and relieved of anti-Semitism The European political establishment would eventually be persuaded to promote Zionism. Herzl recognized that anti-Semitism would be HARNESSED to his own--Zionist-purposes." (Righteous Victims, p. 21)
http//www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
The website is there for you to read for yourself.
And before you start twisting this post into me supporting or defending Jews, you did ask for this 'education' in what the difference is between Jews and zionists.
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I personally don't see any counter argument in differentiating a jew and a zionist jew. They are clearly two different forms of idealogy within judaism and to generalise the common jew with a zionist is clearly incorrect.
It would be like saying wahhabism and those who uphold al-quran alone as a source of law and guidance are the same. Pff!
PEACE
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Jews from centuries are reading and following Talmud, If they would have not believed in these teachings there would have been no Israel.
do you know, that those jews who oppose israel get their 'reasoning' to oppose it from the same talmud among other things? check ketubot 110b, 111a, for example.
The Gemara quotes R. Yossi ben R. Chanina
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"What are these Three Oaths? One, that Israel should not storm the wall . Two, the Holy One made Israel take an oath not to rebel against the nations of the world. Three, the Holy One made the nations vow that they would not oppress Israel too much".many jews (who have also studied talmud, among other scriptures) believe that israel should have not been created before the second coming of messiah, and the fact that jews artificially finished their exile and established a state of israel inspite of the divine injunction ('while also rebelling against the nations of the world' is a great transgression.
there are also other interpretations of the said passage in talmud, some (zionists) believe the oaths are now void because the 'gentiles' broke their part of the oath and what not.
but the point is zionism is not justified or encouraged anywhere in the scriptures. how come there was no tangible idea of establishing a 'state of israel' BEFORE the rise of secular zionism in the late 19th century? and by before i mean all those centuries and centuries of time between creation of talmud and creation of zionism. think about it.
Surely Imamas should praise them in MAsjids, as princess advises.
nowhere did i advise that. all i said was that we should not deliver hate-speeches against another group of people in our houses of worship.
Ayisha
At least I am not a Muanfiq, according to your understanding of me, but sorry that cannot be said about your posts.wow, is that how low you've sunked? calling your fellow-muslims munafiqun just because they don't fit your image of what a muslim is? nope
judging others like that shows a thing or two about your own 'true colours'.and god knows best.
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Jaffar
What many Jews? don't try to forge the facts!
Bunch of frustrated people, who are even hiding their identity in the society they live in (their thoughts) are they the representative of Islam? same is true with Jews, christians, and every religon, even the atheists, they have different thoughts within their own circle, the intelligent discuss them others call it BULL SHIT.
Jews from centuries are reading and following Talmud, If they would have not believed in these teachings there would have been no Israel.Dude you need to get your fact straight here.. your minds and thoughts are mixed up!!
Zionism as thus the birth of a country named modern Israel is a concept manifested from Jewish Nationalist movement... it's not from the Talmud!!
Just like Pan-Arabism is a concept manifested from Arab Nationalist movement... it's not from the Hadith!!Your statement is as silly as The Pan Arabism countries such as Modern Egypt, Jordan, Syria was being manifested due to the 'Arabs' following the Hadith!!
Both Jewish NAtionalist and Arab Nationalist were a political reaction to the demise of "Turks Ottoman" power in that region..
Read After the Turks lost their war the jews and the arabs wanted to form their own 'nationality' / 'country', and no longer under the Turks or other nation authority..Better go back to history class my friend..
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thank god there are guys like you without weird complexes out there, alen! handshake
btw, when alias was running i was SOOOOO hooked to it!! i tried to never miss an episode! jennifer garner as sydney was the best!! one episode sydney was visiting estonia also, though they probably did not shoot it there what do you mean do a better job this time? i think sydney looked natural & cute every time sun
Peace be upon you,
with all due Respect.Thank you, sister.
Same here, I was and still am soooooo hooked and totally attracted to Alias, I mean the series is ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS!
I loved Sydney all the way, the story and the plot is fantastic, how she has all these different relationships and especially her anger towards Sloane and her plan of bringing him down and this plan keeps her going, beautiful writing.There were several scenes where they shot them on fake locations.
Regarding Jennifer's make-up, I was just kidding, I always start with a joke or try a new joke out there. )Make-up doesn't scare me at all nor does it distract me but if we had a woman with make-up leading a prayer, I don't think certain people would be able to focus, maybe, God knows best. It would be better if she had no make-up since she would perform ablution few seconds prior to the prayer, right?
May God increase us in knowledge.
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uhm.. ok, so i have this question which has been bugging me for a while, and is ONE of the reasons i go to a mosque very rarely these days.
why oh WHY do imams scream at the top of their lungs when giving a friday sermon in a mosque?! to top that off, sometimes they do that IN ARABIC!!! and i'm not talking about middle east here, i've had this experience for example in texas, georgia, puerto rico, and in manchester, UK.first - the screaming part. since i grew up in northern europe and rarely heard anyone raising their voice either in a family setting, school or work-related environment, i've wondered for long if it is just my subjective opinion or cultural bias that makes me think that they yell, and make me feel that i'm being scolded for something.
i want to know if there are others out there who feel this way?and second part - in arabic. now this makes no sense at all. why would a sermon in an english-speaking country be held in arabic while half of the audience is clearly non-arab?? isn't the PURPOSE of the sermon to convey an idea? if ~50% of the audience had no clue about what was being said then was this purpose fulfilled or did those people just waste an hour of their life? i believe it would be more fair the khutba be held in a country's official language (with translations into other languages if necessary).
it's not like islam is by the arabs for the arabs.that said, i admit i have been to a couple of nice mosques also, in maryland where the sermon was fully in english and one in puerto rico where there was audio translation into spanish available.
sadly the positive experiences have clearly been in minority, at least for me. so instead of getting a head-ache listening to some dude shout his hat off in arabic i just don't go anymore.. giveupwhat's your take on this?
peaceEDIT by khutba i meant the long 30-40 min lecture preceding the prayer.
IT's very simple. Because they want to scare you and brainwash you so that you'll do everything they say. jedi
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A "Former" member of this forum told me, "just tell the truth about Jews on this forum and then note the responses, it will be easier for you to know the real face of many here". and how correct he was.
Princess
You cannot escape, please refer to this
??Yashu? (Issa) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.? (Gittin 57a)
Show me a Hadith princess as you shouted in your post which is more ridiculous then this for Jesus.princess
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i can bring you many more 'sahih' ahadith from islamic folklore that supersede your talmudic quotations by ridiculousness by far.
have a nice dayPlease live up to your challenge. Show me you are really knowldgeable.
Waiting for your reply.
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A "Former" member of this forum told me, "just tell the truth about Jews on this forum and then note the responses, it will be easier for you to know the real face of many here". and how correct he was.
But you haven't told the truth about Jews nor have you any understanding about the differenc between Jes and Zionists, which is what you claimed.Please live up to your challenge. Show me you are really knowldgeable.
Waiting for your reply.anything to avoid the fact you were wrong?
While you find your reply for the above, let me respond to those who think they know a lot about Zionism and Judaism.
waiting..........
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To Jaffar, Prince, Ayisha
Offcourse your un-stop able praises for Jews could be understood, but your thinking that Zionism is some thing other than present Juadism holds no air.Let us start from Quran
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You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers. And you will find that the closest people in friendship to the believers are those who say, "We are Christian." This is because they have priests and monks among them, and they are not arrogant.No matter how you twist the WORDS of Allah are there. And why they are the worst enemies, example
??Yashu? (Issa) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.? (Gittin 57a)Why do you people forget that who started Zionist movement? what was the purpose? what were the Goals?
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To AYISHA, JAFFAR, and Princess
Now we move on further, The Zionist movement was started by Jews based on the teachings of BIble and Torah, therefore it is very clear that AYISHA, JAFFAR and Princess are trying to distort the facts or habe no Knowledge of what they are talking about.ISRAEL WAS HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD, AND THE FIRSTFRUITS OF HIS INCREASE ALL THAT DEVOUR HIM SHALL OFFEND; EVIL SHALL COME UPON THEM, SAITH THE LORD
Here Jeremiah calls Israel "Reishit". Israel is the "Reishit", the First Principle for which the World was created. God created the world for the sake of Israel.A LAND WHICH THE LORD THY GOD CARETH FOR THE EYES OF THE LORD THY GOD ARE ALWAYS UPON IT, FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR EVEN UNTO THE END OF THE YEAR.
In Israel live more than 5 million Jews. Jews from all over the world, from many different backgrounds and cultures now live in Israel in relative harmony despite some tensions and social dislocation that to a degree are largely inevitable. On the whole the Jews all live together well, work together, learn together, and serve in the Armed Forces together.
Those who do not get along in Israel go to the USA and get along with other IsraelitesIn Israel more Jews study Torah both full-time and part-time than at any other time in history. This is the will of the Almighty. We are commanded to study the Torah.
Britam study groupTHOU SHALT IN ANY WISE SET HIM KING OVER THEE, WHOM THE LORD THY GOD SHALL CHOOSE ONE FROM AMONG THY BRETHREN SHALT THOU SET KING OVER THEE THOU MAYEST NOT SET A STRANGER OVER THEE, WHICH IS NOT THY BROTHER
The State of Israel represents a return to the Bible. It is the fulfillment of Biblical Principles. It lays the groundwork for a future fulfillment of Biblical injunctions. Even though many Jews today in Israel may not be as religious as they should be they are helping to prepare the way.
All those who believe in God and the Bible and in common goodness should support the State of Israel.To be Continued in next post
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To Jaffar, Prince, Ayisha
Offcourse your un-stop able praises for Jews could be understood, but your thinking that Zionism is some thing other than present Juadism holds no air.
couldnt be bothered to read what I posted? never mindLet us start from Quran
582
You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers. And you will find that the closest people in friendship to the believers are those who say, "We are Christian." This is because they have priests and monks among them, and they are not arrogant.No matter how you twist the WORDS of Allah are there. And why they are the worst enemies, example
??Yashu? (Issa) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.? (Gittin 57a)Why do you people forget that who started Zionist movement? what was the purpose? what were the Goals?
We discuss it in next post.yes lets look at another verse
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YUSUFALI The Arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise.009.101
YUSUFALI Certain of the desert Arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert Arabs) among the Medina folk they are obstinate in hypocrisy thou knowest them not We know them twice shall We punish them and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty.Who are the guardians of the Kaaba? Where is the main place for islamic material and belief? Ah yes, Saudi Arabia, ARABS. That is your cue to say "'desert Arabs' are not all Arabs" to which I will reply 'Jews are not all Zionists'
Now lets look at what Allah says about jews who follow the Jewish scripture
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YUSUFALI Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.005.069
YUSUFALI Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.see there is a difference in some Jews in the same way as there is a difference in some Christians and some Muslims but your blind prejudices keep your eyes firmly closed.
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To AYISHA, JAFFAR, and Princess
Now we move on further, The Zionist movement was started by Jews based on the teachings of BIble and Torah, therefore it is very clear that AYISHA, JAFFAR and Princess are trying to distort the facts or habe no Knowledge of what they are talking about.ISRAEL WAS HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD, AND THE FIRSTFRUITS OF HIS INCREASE ALL THAT DEVOUR HIM SHALL OFFEND; EVIL SHALL COME UPON THEM, SAITH THE LORD
Here Jeremiah calls Israel "Reishit". Israel is the "Reishit", the First Principle for which the World was created. God created the world for the sake of Israel.A LAND WHICH THE LORD THY GOD CARETH FOR THE EYES OF THE LORD THY GOD ARE ALWAYS UPON IT, FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR EVEN UNTO THE END OF THE YEAR.
In Israel live more than 5 million Jews. Jews from all over the world, from many different backgrounds and cultures now live in Israel in relative harmony despite some tensions and social dislocation that to a degree are largely inevitable. On the whole the Jews all live together well, work together, learn together, and serve in the Armed Forces together.
Those who do not get along in Israel go to the USA and get along with other Israelites
Britam study groupTHOU SHALT IN ANY WISE SET HIM KING OVER THEE, WHOM THE LORD THY GOD SHALL CHOOSE ONE FROM AMONG THY BRETHREN SHALT THOU SET KING OVER THEE THOU MAYEST NOT SET A STRANGER OVER THEE, WHICH IS NOT THY BROTHER
The State of Israel represents a return to the Bible. It is the fulfillment of Biblical Principles. It lays the groundwork for a future fulfillment of Biblical injunctions. Even though many Jews today in Israel may not be as religious as they should be they are helping to prepare the way.
All those who believe in God and the Bible and in common goodness should support the State of Israel.To be Continued in next post
Just a correction for you raaaaaaaaajah, The Torah is what you are quoting from which ALLAH sent the Jews, The Jews have NOTHING to do with the BIBLE, that's Christians.
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Ayisha you just keep on posting for sake of posting, without considering the quality of your posts, and you make yourself a laughing stock often.
AyishaJust a correction for you raaaaaaaaajah, The Torah is what you are quoting from which ALLAH sent the Jews, The Jews have NOTHING to do with the BIBLE, that's Christians
In academic circles, the more neutral term Hebrew Bible is commonly used to refer to the Tanakh.
and I am sure you know what Tanakh is?
Ayisha
009.097
YUSUFALI The Arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise.009.101
YUSUFALI Certain of the desert Arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert Arabs) among the Medina folk they are obstinate in hypocrisy thou knowest them not We know them twice shall We punish them and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty.Who are the guardians of the Kaaba? Where is the main place for islamic material and belief? Ah yes, Saudi Arabia, ARABS. That is your cue to say "'desert Arabs' are not all Arabs" to which I will reply 'Jews are not all Zionists'
another tu quoque fallecy. Let others give it a try to favor Jews and to show me how Zionist and PRESENT day Jews are different. You have failed miserably.
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You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers. And you will find that the closest people in friendship to the believers are those who say, "We are Christian." This is because they have priests and monks among them, and they are not arrogant.you're quoting quran out of context. why did you not add verses that came just before this one? it talks about a GROUP of misguided people from among the children of israel at the time of this revelation, check 578-82.
- Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses.
firstly, even at the time of revelation (with historical context) it was applicable only to those among jews who were misguided, how can it be applicable NOW, and to ALL jews? )
instead- Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
refer to what ayisha posted ealier
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YUSUFALI Certain of the desert Arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert Arabs) among the Medina folk they are obstinate in hypocrisy thou knowest them not We know them twice shall We punish them and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty.now, does that mean that ALL the arabs in the world today are hypocrites? or just the ones that the verse specifically referred to, in its historical context?
have you asked yourself WHY do you have so much hate for different groups of people (like women, or jews)?
consider this verse- O ye who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just that is next to piety and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.
nobody here condones or promotes zionism, but the way you are trying to smear ALL jews is just not FAIR. and many people here care for what is fair, therefore your slander touches our sense of justice.
i am not saying that all jews are good & perfect, there are good and bad people from among any group of humans, so you can't just generalize and put 14 million people under one big fat prejudiced umbrella!
have you personally met even one jewish person in your life???Yashu? (Issa) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.? (Gittin 57a)
where is the proof that yeshu here means THAT yehoshua or jesus, the son of mary?
there are several occurrences of 'yeshu' in the babylonian talmud, for example (from wiki)- Yeshu ben Pandera, cited as the teacher of a second century CE heretic (Chullin 222-24, Avodah Zarah 16b-17a)
- A sorcerer who had been stoned on the eve of one Passover. (Sanhedrin 43a)
- An example of a "son who burns his food in public" (Sanhedrin 103a, Berakhot 17b) identified as Manasseh of Judah son of Hezekiah in the passages as well as in a corresponding account in the Shulchan Arukh.
- An idolatrous former student of the early first century BCE rabbi Yehoshua ben Perachiah. (Sanhedrin 107b).
- The spirit of a foreign enemy of Israel summoned by Onkelos (Gittin 56b, 57a)
interpretations of 'yeshu'
The Tannaim and Amoraim who recorded the accounts in the Talmud and Tosefta use the term Yeshu as a designation in Sanhedrin 103a and Berakhot 17b in place of King Manasseh's real name. Sanhedrin 107b uses it for a Hasmonean era individual who in an earlier account (Jerusalem Talmud Chagigah 22) is anonymous. In Gittin 56b, 57a it is used for one of three foreign enemies of Israel, the other two being from past and present with Yeshu representing a third not identified with any past or present event. No explicit explanation is given for the term. The earliest explicit explanation comes instead from the mediaeval Toldoth Yeshu narratives which explain it as an acronym for the curse formula yimmach shemo vezikhro meaning "may his name and memory be obliterated" used for enemies of the Jewish people.
please refer to http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshu for more details.
the fact is that WE DO NOT KNOW whether reference is made to jesus the prophet, or any other character, so please don't present this as a confirmed fact.
even IF it refers to jesus, it only shows ignorance and closed-mindedness of some people of that time. surely, you can relate to these states of mind )anyway, how is that relevant to prove any of your statements about zionism and judaism being one and the same? it isn't.
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Peace be upon you,
with all due Respect.Thank you, sister.
Same here, I was and still am soooooo hooked and totally attracted to Alias, I mean the series is ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS!
I loved Sydney all the way, the story and the plot is fantastic, how she has all these different relationships and especially her anger towards Sloane and her plan of bringing him down and this plan keeps her going, beautiful writing.There were several scenes where they shot them on fake locations.
Regarding Jennifer's make-up, I was just kidding, I always start with a joke or try a new joke out there. )Make-up doesn't scare me at all nor does it distract me but if we had a woman with make-up leading a prayer, I don't think certain people would be able to focus, maybe, God knows best. It would be better if she had no make-up since she would perform ablution few seconds prior to the prayer, right?
May God increase us in knowledge.
Peace be upon you.peace, alen!
i think you're right. make-up, as well as clothes, should correspond to the event one is attending. there is absolutely no need to flaunt those smoky eyes and new lip-gloss attending or leading the prayer
i'd go with no make up at all, or natural 'almost-bare' invisible kind of make-up )maybe something like this
http//blog.newsok.com/gossip/files/2009/01/ben-affleck-and-jennifer-garner.jpg
EDIT hmm, this image somehow doesn't diplay in this forum.
i meant this http//blog.newsok.com/gossip/files/2009/01/ben-affleck-and-jennifer-garner.jpginstead of this
http//www.celebrity-mania.com/images/thumb/jennifer_garner.jpgpeace peace
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Ayisha you just keep on posting for sake of posting, without considering the quality of your posts, and you make yourself a laughing stock often.
More blurb to avoid answering any questions and just to spit at those who are trying to educate you and aleviate your hatred.Ayisha
In academic circles, the more neutral term Hebrew Bible is commonly used to refer to the Tanakh.and I am sure you know what Tanakh is?
Yes its not the Torah and you were referring to the 'Bible and Torah' then went on to refer to 'Biblical principles' which in academic circles would mean the New Testament (Bible) and not the old testament. In academic circles it may be referred to as the 'Hebrew Bible' but never 'The Bible' and certainly never when discussing the Torah AND Bible would this EVER be considered as the Hebrew Bible being discussed. I think you came up with this to cover your error instead of just admitting you were wrong and stand corrected like a grown up can.We are discussing the difference between Jews who follow the scripture (Torah) and Zionists who are following something different, they are as different as a sunni Muslim and a Quran Alone Muslim. If you had read one of my first posts properly instead of accusing me of attacking muslims you would have seen that, but I dont think you read much at all and just jump in with an arguement based on your twisted prejudices of women and Jews, as princess has already stated.
Ayisha
another tu quoque fallecy. Let others give it a try to favor Jews and to show me how Zionist and PRESENT day Jews are different. You have failed miserably.I am not favouring anyone, I am explaining to you the difference between Jews and Zionist Jews and it has already been shown you from Quran that there ARE good Jews and bad Jews just the same as God knows there are good Christians and bad ones just like there are good Muslims and hypocrites who think they are Muslims, there is no difference. If I explain the difference between a Tiger and a Lion, which are both big cat family, does it mean I am favouring one?
wipe the dung of prejudice from your eyes oh small human being, do not be afraid to learn through errors. ;D
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You two ladies (Ayisha/Princess) doing a good job with the counter arguments. Raajah you will have to swallow your pride and take this one on the chin because hate does not create peace/islam. Your hatred and generalisation of a religious group is very close minded...take this as an advice from a fellow brotha!
PEACE