why do imams scream in the mosques?!
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Before the next post, let me explain what you are trying to confuse, as your last resort
Ayisha
If after then how are they anything to do with Judaism and what God sent to the Jews? The same as how can the hadith of Muhammed be anything to do with what God sent in Quran?
You still have no managed to grasp the difference have you
Where did the "GOD sent in" came in to this discussion?, if you care to read my earlier posts, It said there is no difference between the Zionists and present day Jews, just scroll back.b It is you who have to manage to grasp the difference, just by calling some one "small human" one doesnot become "big".
These texts were written by Jews to whom Allah calls "Worst Enemy" and offcourse he cannot call it that to the scriptures he sent down? he calls the JEWS. If you still can't grasp than Allah HOOOOOO. -
Ayisha in my post which you are referring to the first line says
Now we move on further, The Zionist movement was started by Jews based on the teachings of BIble and Torah
Started by Jews, so do Jews believe in BIBLE of christians? was there any quote from so called New testament? in my post, NO!
Dear Ayisha, there is a significant difference between Tankh and Torah
Torah
Torah (, literally "teaching" consists of five books, commonly referred to as the "Five Books of Moses
namely
Genesis - Bereshith
2. Exodus - Shemot
3. Leviticus - Vayikra
4. Numbers - Bamidbar
5. Deuteronomy - Devarim
and Tanakh also called as BIBLE, According to the Talmud, much of the contents of the Tanakh were compiled by the "Men of the Great Assembly" by 450 BCE, and have since remained unchanged. -
Ayisha
I don't need any education which considers one being nude in front of one's family as fine (I can quote it),And to date you STILL have not given your understanding of that verse4 and choose to ignore it completely.
I donot need any education that teaches me to praise those who hates us, who are killing my brothers and sisters ruthlessly weather they call themselves Muslims or Jews.
Where am I or anyone else in this conversation trying to teach you to praise anyone else? We are trying to show you that your understanding is WRONG and that not ALL Jews are Zionists! that is nothing to do with praising ANYONE.
I donot need any education that teaches me to love those who blashmise prophets and their mothers. Sorry I donot need.
Well I DO need educating on that word I made bold as i have no idea what the hell you are ranting about now. Anything to distract from the actual subject and questions you cannot answer, as is your normal script.AyishaIn academic circles it may be referred to as the 'Hebrew Bible' but never 'The Bible' and certainly never when discussing the Torah AND Bible would this EVER be considered as the Hebrew Bible being discussed. I think you came up with this to cover your error instead of just admitting you were wrong and stand corrected like a grown up can
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Luckily you admitted that is what you think, and my only reply to this is Your thinking is wrong!
See my next post for detail
So you only reply to me saying that you chose to cover your error and didnt reply to the subject of the discussion in which YOU are wrong, as normal. -
Before the next post, let me explain what you are trying to confuse, as your last resort
Ayisha
Where did the "GOD sent in" came in to this discussion?, if you care to read my earlier posts, It said there is no difference between the Zionists and present day Jews, just scroll back.b
If you care to read any of the posts that are trying hard to explain to you that there IS a difference but you dont WANT to know about it as it MIGHT affect your hatred against JEWS in general! If you DID read what has been posted then MAYBE we could have a proper DISCUSSION about WHY you dont beleive it instead of this silly tit-for-tat crap which you have STILL managed to bring NAKEDNESS into!
It is you who have to manage to grasp the difference, just by calling some one "small human" one doesnot become "big".
Typical of you, We are ALL SMALL HUMANS! We are ALL NOTHING compared to the grand scheme of things and if you understood ANYTHING you would see that.These texts were written by Jews to whom Allah calls "Worst Enemy" and offcourse he cannot call it that to the scriptures he sent down? he calls the JEWS. If you still can't grasp than Allah HOOOOOO.
He sent the scriptures TO THE JEWS FIRST! He also said they (JEWS who follow their scriptures) will have nothing to fear, or do you ignore texts that dont match with your hatred and only pick out ones that do?
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Ayisha in my post which you are referring to the first line saysStarted by Jews, so do Jews believe in BIBLE of christians? was there any quote from so called New testament? in my post, NO!
Dear Ayisha, there is a significant difference between Tankh and Torah
Torah
Torah (, literally "teaching" consists of five books, commonly referred to as the "Five Books of Moses
namely
Genesis - Bereshith
2. Exodus - Shemot
3. Leviticus - Vayikra
4. Numbers - Bamidbar
5. Deuteronomy - Devarim
and Tanakh also called as BIBLE, According to the Talmud, much of the contents of the Tanakh were compiled by the "Men of the Great Assembly" by 450 BCE, and have since remained unchanged.You said Bible and Torah you did not say Hebrew Bible, Tanakh INCLUDES Torah! Torah = first 5 Books of Moses, Tanack ADDS prophets and writtings TO the Torah, so there is nothing called Torah and Bible referring to the Hebrew Bible as Tanakh INCLUDES Torah! Talmud is written and oral Torah, written Torah = 5 Books of Moses, oral Torah = HADITH of Moses and Rabbi.
to make it simple for you
Torah = 5 books of Moses given by GOD
Talmud = 5 books of Moses + Hadith of Moses and Rabbi and commentary ON Torah
Tanakh = 5 books of Moses + Prophets and writtings = Old Testament = Hebrew BibleAs you see there is no 'Hebrew Bible AND Torah' as Hebrew Bible INCLUDES Torah, the Jews that follow the scripture that Gods speaks of are following TORAH.
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Quite funny! Do the Jews believe in Jesus as a Prophet, let alone Son of God? What are you talking about? Pure non sense. You asked me have I ever met a Jew? what do you know about me? Just ask any Jew if he believes in Jesus as a Prophet?
lol dude, i don't know what your problem is, but i bet it's hard to pronounce
i am shocked at how you invent random sentences and then claim someone else said them. can you quote me saying that 'jews believe jesus to be a prophet' or anything even remotely similar? there is not even a hint of that.
or maybe it's a language barrier..? or just intentional blindness.and why do you insist on me copy/pasting some of the more ridiculous hadith here? do you honestly have allergy to googling? for example refer to the one where prophet moses slapped the death angel spoiling one of his eyes (in "sahih" bukhari, narrated by a known lier abu huraira) or where the STONE stole moses' clothes and the he was running around naked trying to get his clothes back and then started beating that stone for its 'crime' lol, or about dipping a fly in your food, drinking camel's urine, killing black 'devil' dogs, satan farting loudly so that we wouldn't hear azan, etc etc. what's the purpose of me copying them here? so you could have more fuel for your retarded arguments?
me and ayisha have done our best to show you the numerous errors in your prejudicial perceptions, and anyone reading this thread can attest to it. yet your replies indicate that you haven't absorbed even a word of it. i see it is just a waste of time, since you refuse to have a mature conversation and use childish accusations seasoned with numerous logical fallacies instead.
honestly, if you wish you be absorbed by hate, bigotry and prejudice then no one can cure you.
FYI, i don't hate you, i will make a dua for you instead, maybe god will expand your mind and show you some light pr
but from now on, i refuse to participate in your circular arguments, my time is more valuable than that.i can imagine that someone on your level of development may translate this as his 'victory' laugh, and indeed you are free to interpret it this or any other way.
this is my last reply to you on this thread. no matter what you say will not provoke me into answering you, so you might as well save your time and keep your poison to yourself.@ayisha - i invite you to join me and leave rajah alone, boiling in his own hate, for it is now clear that nothing you, me or anyone can say that will have any positive impact on him.
and god knows best.
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@ayisha - i invite you to join me and leave rajah alone, boiling in his own hate, for it is now clear that nothing you, me or anyone can say that will have any positive impact on him.
and god knows best.
peace peaceIt has been mentioned to me by others but these types do help me learn as I am constantly looking things up (unlike raj), I also learn a lot about these types D i miss thereformer, he was an expert and way more fun than raj '(
but you are right in that my time IS more valuable than this handshake
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Princess to prove you a Liar, only the following post is enough, to prove who hates who? the following post is enough,
Rajah
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and what about your challenge
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i can bring you many more 'sahih' ahadith from islamic folklore that supersede your talmudic quotations by ridiculousness by far.
have a nice day
Please live up to your challenge. Show me you are really knowldgeable.
Waiting for your reply.
??Yashu? (Issa) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.? (Gittin 57a)
Let us see with what excuse you come up this time
Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.582
You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers.and let the people decide that by mentioning the "Moses" "eye" Hadith have you fulfilled your Challenge?
Rest is just rants, and hot air in your post.
it is not about claiming victory, it is exposing your hatred towards Muslims, you call them Sunni's or whatever, in comparison to Jews, and Alhamdullilah the target has been achieved.Praise be to Allah the lord of Ram, Buddha, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, mine and yours.
Allah Ho Akbar.
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Princess to prove you a Liar, only the following post is enough, to prove who hates who? the following post is enough,
582
You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers.and let the people decide that by mentioning the "Moses" "eye" Hadith have you fulfilled your Challenge?
Rest is just rants, and hot air in your post.
it is not about claiming victory, it is exposing your hatred towards Muslims, you call them Sunni's or whatever, in comparison to Jews, and Alhamdullilah the target has been achieved.Praise be to Allah the lord of Ram, Buddha, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, mine and yours.
Allah Ho Akbar.
you're sick
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Ayisha
to make it simple for you
Torah = 5 books of Moses given by GOD
Talmud = 5 books of Moses + Hadith of Moses and Rabbi and commentary ON Torah
Tanakh = 5 books of Moses + Prophets and writtings = Old Testament = Hebrew BibleAs you see there is no 'Hebrew Bible AND Torah' as Hebrew Bible INCLUDES Torah, the Jews that follow the scripture that Gods speaks of are following TORAH.
Rajah
Ayisha in my post which you are referring to the first line says
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Now we move on further, The Zionist movement was started by Jews based on the teachings of BIble and Torah
Started by Jews, so do Jews believe in BIBLE of christians? was there any quote from so called New testament? in my post, NO!582
You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers.Yes, I understood it now, it says ENEMIES of BELIEVERS.
And the word you try to built on your boobyish post is "Blasphemy" that was a typographical error, but you making it BIG scandal shows your ability.
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Ayisha
Rajah
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You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers.Yes, I understood it now, it says ENEMIES of BELIEVERS.
truely sick
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YUSUFALI The Arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise.009.101
YUSUFALI Certain of the desert Arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert Arabs) among the Medina folk they are obstinate in hypocrisy thou knowest them not We know them twice shall We punish them and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty.Must mean all Arabs are hypocrites according to your logic
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YUSUFALI Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.005.069
YUSUFALI Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.I did notice you ignored these verses earlier, so which Jews do you think Allah was referring to? Do you think Allah got confused about the verse you keep posting when He said these? Do you think He forgot? Do you think He was lying too?
And the word you try to built on your boobyish post is "Blasphemy" that was a typographical error, but you making it BIG scandal shows your ability.
boobyish? how old are you? I didnt make it a big scandal at all, I asked what you meant.
Does your mum and dad know you're using the computer this late?
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582
You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers.Yes, I understood it now, it says ENEMIES of BELIEVERS.
Typical case of
- Find a verse
- DON'T cross reference it.
- Finally use the verse to justify pre-conceived notion.
Yeh ladies I think his internet connection has been taken away from him. rotfl
PEACE
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582
You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers.Quran is the book from Almighty Allah, who knows offcourse better then you three stoogies (take the word in lighter mood).
Why do Quran is a different book from others, because of its truthness that has been tested from time to time, it is the Word of Allah.
Jews the present one's have proven that the word of Allah cannot be a lie.
No matter how you three and PLUS other three if come for your help, try to change it, will never be able to.Not only the word of Allah, but there own scriptures that is considered to be true word of God this said about them
"And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites(Jews), which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death? Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them. For I know that after my death ye will become utterly corrupt, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands. (Deuteronomy 3125-29)"and from Jesus
From Jesus
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 2337)"
Surely they are people with secret agenda and goals, and it has been truly informed by Allah, and surely The IMAMS must SCREAM or NOT but they should inform the Muslims, against the worst ENEMY in eyes of Allah and also inform about the Wolves in Sheeps cover, who under the name of Muslims are working for them.
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582
You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers.Quran is the book from Almighty Allah, who knows offcourse better then you three stoogies (take the word in lighter mood).
Why do Quran is a different book from others, because of its truthness that has been tested from time to time, it is the Word of Allah.
Jews the present one's have proven that the word of Allah cannot be a lie.
No matter how you three and PLUS other three if come for your help, try to change it, will never be able to.and no matter how much YOU try to change it you will never be able to
Not only the word of Allah, but there own scriptures that is considered to be true word of God this said about them
"And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites(Jews), which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death? Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them. For I know that after my death ye will become utterly corrupt, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands. (Deuteronomy 3125-29)"and from Jesus
From Jesus
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 2337)"
Surely they are people with secret agenda and goals, and it has been truly informed by Allah, and surely The IMAMS must SCREAM or NOT but they should inform the Muslims, against the worst ENEMY in eyes of Allah and also inform about the Wolves in Sheeps cover, who under the name of Muslims are working for them.
Now you are scratching about in books that you have claimed are corrupted to make them agree with your rediculous claims?
002.062 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
005.069Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
There are 2 verse there which you still ignore and you claim to follow Quran?
You originally posted the whole verse
582
You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers. And you will find that the closest people in friendship to the believers are those who say, "We are Christian." This is because they have priests and monks among them, and they are not arrogant.now you are missing off the last part of it that I made bold so you can see it better.
Now lets look at some others relating to our enemies and our friends, according to you
002.113 The Jews say "The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say "The Jews have naught (To stand) upon." Yet they (Profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment.
002.120 Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.
002.135 They say "Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation)." Say thou "Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah."
thats just a few. So what is Allah getting at with what appear to be comflicting verses? Could it be that some of both groups are good and some are bad, just like the claimed muslims?
now an interesting one I found today
003.075 Among the People of the Scripture there is he who, if thou trust him with a weight of treasure, will return it to thee. And among them there is he who, if thou trust him with a piece of gold, will not return it to thee unless thou keep standing over him. That is because they say We have no duty to the Gentiles. They speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly.
I found this intersting and I have used Pickthall translation here as he uses the word 'gentiles' and 'people of the scripture' whereas Ali uses 'people of the Book' and 'pagans'
The only people that use the word 'gentiles' are Jews, so this is talking about the Jews and not the christians. I will look further into this particular verse and the use of the word gentiles, but it seems that what i have been saying for ages about Jews and Christians AND Muslims all being 'People of the Book' could be proven here.
I hope Mazhar is reading this and possibly have something to say on the translation??Anyway, moving on, why do you ignore other verses raj and only use ONE verse from Quran and loads from Torah and now Bible and also hadith to back you up? (by hadith I mean those things used from the Jewish hadith) Im sure if you are using all these instead of Quran, because there is not enough to back you up in Quran, then you could also start using bukhari hadith too, there will be loads in there to use as backup im sure.
to add, dont think you have made me forget that this discussion is about ZIONISM and Jews TODAY, which of course nothing has proved they are the same as zionism wasnt around then anyway.
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Ayisha
Anyway, moving on, why do you ignore other verses raj and only use ONE verse from Quran and loads from Torah and now Bible and also hadith to back you up? (by hadith I mean those things used from the Jewish hadith) Im sure if you are using all these instead of Quran, because there is not enough to back you up in Quran, then you could also start using bukhari hadith too, there will be loads in there to use as backup im sure
Quran does not contradict. The present situation is the practical result of what Allah has warned us about.
What do you mean by using one verse? if you will be satisfied by many let me try then, so the truth could be known564
The Jews even said, "Allah's hand is tied down!" It is their hands that are tied down. They are condemned for uttering such a blasphemy. Instead, His hands are wide open, spending as He wills. For certain, your Lord's revelations to you will cause many of them to plunge deeper into transgression and disbelief. Consequently, we have committed them to animosity and hatred among themselves until the Day of Resurrection. Whenever they ignite the flames of war, GOD puts them out. They roam the earth wickedly, and GOD dislikes the evildoers.and 512,13 for example.
and also the verse you pointed out002.120 Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion.
and to wind up, with the word of Allah again
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You are the best community ever raised among the people you advocate righteousness and forbid evil, and you believe in GOD. If the followers of the scripture believed, it would be better for them. Some of them do believe, but the majority of them are wicked.offcourse even a kid knows that there are good and bad people in every nation, community, family but the MAJORITY matters. Christaians according to Allah are the nearest.
Reagrding 375 that you quoted, is also said in their own scriptures, that they have no obligation towards Gentiles, just scroll a little back.
Remeber Zionism is nothing new for JEWS it starts from their very child hood, from their scriptures, as I have quoted numerous quotes.
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Ayisha
Quran does not contradict. The present situation is the practical result of what Allah has warned us about.
What do you mean by using one verse? if you will be satisfied by many let me try then, so the truth could be known564
The Jews even said, "Allah's hand is tied down!" It is their hands that are tied down. They are condemned for uttering such a blasphemy. Instead, His hands are wide open, spending as He wills. For certain, your Lord's revelations to you will cause many of them to plunge deeper into transgression and disbelief. Consequently, we have committed them to animosity and hatred among themselves until the Day of Resurrection. Whenever they ignite the flames of war, GOD puts them out. They roam the earth wickedly, and GOD dislikes the evildoers.and 512,13 for example.
and also the verse you pointed out002.120 Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion.
and to wind up, with the word of Allah again
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You are the best community ever raised among the people you advocate righteousness and forbid evil, and you believe in GOD. If the followers of the scripture believed, it would be better for them. Some of them do believe, but the majority of them are wicked.offcourse even a kid knows that there are good and bad people in every nation, community, family but the MAJORITY matters. Christaians according to Allah are the nearest.
Reagrding 375 that you quoted, is also said in their own scriptures, that they have no obligation towards Gentiles, just scroll a little back.
Remeber Zionism is nothing new for JEWS it starts from their very child hood, from their scriptures, as I have quoted numerous quotes.
I am now convinced you dont actually READ anything but your own garbage! !
edit corrected spelling as my learning to type properly makes me spell badly '(
Anyway, good opportunity to add something here.
Raj, can you marry a JEW?? According to Quran you CAN and according to Quran you should have love between you and your wife (no they are not just for cooking cleaning and sex) so if jews are as bad as you claim and are the enemies and God warned you so much, why does he allow you to MARRY them, to have families with them and to be garments to them as man and wife?