Praise Be to Muhammad rasool Allah
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And I quoted you the Ayaat of Allah where He does not call those Christians to have done "Shirk" but said "Kafara". The Ayaat you quoted earlier, I had said about those that there is no mention of any human being but only of statues which people take as , as is stated in 674.
There was no mention of statues in any of the verses I quoted
Jews and Nisara have different identity from Mushrikeen, statue worshippers. Allah considers them different people and identities, why you wish to equate them, only because you wish to equate those people who recognize the elevated stature of the Messengers and treat them above general public as idol worshippers or who assign partners to Allah.
Right, so those that take statues as partners to Allah are Mushriq and those that take other humans as partners to Allah are kafir, ok got it now, thanks for clarifying
Also, I have never said anything about elevating the messengers to above the general public, the issue here is elevating ONE of those messengers above the OTHERS, so dont lets try side-tracking. peace
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Also, I have never said anything about elevating the messengers to above the general public,
So you agree that the Last Messenger Muhammad is ELEVATED above all the ordinary people who were not the Messengers of Allah.
I have never disagreed that ALL the messengers of Allah were elevated above ordinary people and that is NOT what this discussion is about and never has been. This discussion is about ONE messenger being elevated above the OTHER messengers and you KNOW it has!
The thread is called Praise be to Muhammed rasool Allah, not praise be to ALL rasool Allah, stop wasting time trying to twist the discussion. -
Positive way of saying is like this, "yes I agree that the Messenger of Allah Muhammad is ELEVATED above ALL the ordinary people". Is it Yes?
I have never disagreed that ALL the messengers of Allah were elevated above ordinary people and that is NOT what this discussion is about and never has been. This discussion is about ONE messenger being elevated above the OTHER messengers and you KNOW it has!
The thread is called Praise be to Muhammed rasool Allah, not praise be to ALL rasool Allah, stop wasting time trying to twist the discussion. -
I have never disagreed that ALL the messengers of Allah were elevated above ordinary people and that is NOT what this discussion is about and never has been. This discussion is about ONE messenger being elevated above the OTHER messengers and you KNOW it has!
The thread is called Praise be to Muhammed rasool Allah, not praise be to ALL rasool Allah, stop wasting time trying to twist the discussion.But what hampers or irritates you to answer in acceptance or rejection, this in straight words?
Positive way of saying is like this, "yes I agree that the Messenger of Allah Muhammad is ELEVATED above ALL the ordinary people". Is it Yes?
And let me remind you the orginal thread is this
Most of the posters here at FM get irritated or annoyed when some one praises Muhammad, they feel itchy. Raaajah
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But what hampers or irritates you to answer in acceptance or rejection, this in straight words?
And let me remind you the orginal thread is this
I have never disagreed that ALL the messengers of Allah were elevated above ordinary people and that is NOT what this discussion is about and never has been. This discussion is about ONE messenger being elevated above the OTHER messengers and you KNOW it has!
The thread is called Praise be to Muhammed rasool Allah, not praise be to ALL rasool Allah, stop wasting time trying to twist the discussion. -
Mazhar
Positive way of saying is like this, "yes I agree that the Messenger of Allah Muhammad is ELEVATED above ALL the ordinary people". Is it Yes?
How hard is it to utter it from mouth? not even by mouth but even type it through key board.
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And We have not sent thee save as a bringer of good tidings and a warner unto all mankind; but most of mankind know not.This lady does not know that, this is the Only messenger sent towards "all Man Kind" as mercy to "all the "Worlds", and if there is any other messenger of Allah, just show me,
Simple it is.Offcourse if it is hard for them to say Muhammad is better then all the ordinary Human beings, how could they swallow this bitter pill.
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I have never disagreed that ALL the messengers of Allah were elevated above ordinary people and that is NOT what this discussion is about and never has been. This discussion is about ONE messenger being elevated above the OTHER messengers and you KNOW it has!
The thread is called Praise be to Muhammed rasool Allah, not praise be to ALL rasool Allah, stop wasting time trying to twist the discussion.It was responded earlier. That needs an answer whether you agree that "the Messenger of Allah Muhammad is ELEVATED above ALL the ordinary people", or you consider this too a false assertion/statement?
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well as you have BOTH now moved the discussion onto something totally different than what was being discussed I will take it as you have both run out of trying to claim that ONE messenger of Allah was elevated above the other messengers of Allah and have now moved on to this ONE messenger of Allah was elevated above ordinary people.
Muhammed was elevated above the ordinary people of his time as he was the messenger of Allah
ok that ends that discussion, now can we go back to the real discussion where you both claim he was elevated above ALL other messengers.
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well as you have BOTH now moved the discussion onto something totally different than what was being discussed I will take it as you have both run out of trying to claim that ONE messenger of Allah was elevated above the other messengers of Allah and have now moved on to this ONE messenger of Allah was elevated above ordinary people. )
Muhammed was elevated above the ordinary people of his time as he was the messenger of Allah
ok that ends that discussion, now can we go back to the real discussion where you both claim he was elevated above ALL other messengers.
Scrutinize the whole thread and let me know where did I enter into discussion of Elevating one Messenger over the other?
Muhammed was elevated above the ordinary people of his time as he was the messenger of Allah
So you do not accept that he is elevated over and above you, aymen, edip and few others of this forum?
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Scrutinize the whole thread and let me know where did I enter into discussion of Elevating one Messenger over the other?
So you do not accept that he is elevated over and above you, aymen, edip and few others of this forum?he is dead Mazhar and you speak of him in present tense? This discussion is not the one I was having and it is not the one I have been having and is totally irrelavant to the discussion I was having!
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Ayisha
Muhammed was elevated above the ordinary people of his time as he was the messenger of Allah
Mazhar
So you do not accept that he is elevated over and above you, aymen, edip and few others of this forum?
Off-course that is what she means, not only few but all, throughout after the Mutation took place.
Ayisha
well as you have BOTH now moved the discussion onto something totally different than what was being discussed I will take it as you have both run out of trying to claim that ONE messenger of Allah was elevated above the other messengers of Allah and have now moved on to this ONE messenger of Allah was elevated above ordinary people.
Mazhar has made clear himself, and given you open challenge to scrutinize the thread. Still beating the same old drum means nothing.
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he is dead Mazhar and you speak of him in present tense? This discussion is not the one I was having and it is not the one I have been having and is totally irrelavant to the discussion I was having!
"He is dead", so you say "The Messenger of Allah is now dead". And you object "you speak of him in present tense". All speak of him in present tense, should I show you,
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YUSUFALI And know that among you is Allah's Messenger were he, in many matters, to follow your (wishes), ye would certainly fall into misfortune But Allah has endeared the Faith to you, and has made it beautiful in your hearts, and He has made hateful to you Unbelief, wickedness, and rebellion such indeed are those who walk in righteousness;-
PICKTHAL And know that the messenger of Allah is among you. If he were to obey you in much of the government, ye would surely be in trouble; but Allah hath endeared the faith to you and hath beautified it in your hearts, and hath made disbelief and lewdness and rebellion hateful unto you. Such are they who are the rightly guided.
SHAKIR And know that among you is Allah's Messenger; should he obey you in many a matter, you would surely fall into distress, but Allah has endeared the faith to you and has made it seemly in your hearts, and He has made hateful to you unbelief and transgression and disobedience; these it is that are the followers of a right way.Progressive Muslims 497 And know that among you is the messenger of God. If he were to obey you in many things, you would be in difficulty. But God made you love faith and He adorned it in your hearts, and He made you hate disbelief, wickedness, and disobedience. These are the rightly guided ones.
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"He is dead", so you say "The Messenger of Allah is now dead". And you object "you speak of him in present tense". All speak of him in present tense, should I show you,
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YUSUFALI And know that among you is Allah's Messenger were he, in many matters, to follow your (wishes), ye would certainly fall into misfortune But Allah has endeared the Faith to you, and has made it beautiful in your hearts, and He has made hateful to you Unbelief, wickedness, and rebellion such indeed are those who walk in righteousness;-
PICKTHAL And know that the messenger of Allah is among you. If he were to obey you in much of the government, ye would surely be in trouble; but Allah hath endeared the faith to you and hath beautified it in your hearts, and hath made disbelief and lewdness and rebellion hateful unto you. Such are they who are the rightly guided.
SHAKIR And know that among you is Allah's Messenger; should he obey you in many a matter, you would surely fall into distress, but Allah has endeared the faith to you and has made it seemly in your hearts, and He has made hateful to you unbelief and transgression and disobedience; these it is that are the followers of a right way.Progressive Muslims 497 And know that among you is the messenger of God. If he were to obey you in many things, you would be in difficulty. But God made you love faith and He adorned it in your hearts, and He made you hate disbelief, wickedness, and disobedience. These are the rightly guided ones.
Mazhar, that was when he WAS among them when he was alive. ??? So are you now saying he is with us now? that he is what...... omnipresent perhaps? Do you pray to him too? do you ask him to intercede for you? How can he obey us in any matter NOW?
this is getting more and more bizarre each post! laugh
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Muhammed was elevated above the ordinary people of his time as he was the messenger of Allah
So you do not accept him elevated above the people of present times. So perhaps this too will be difficult for you to accept him as witness upon/against you, Ayisha;
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YUSUFALI We have sent to you, (O men!) a messenger, to be a witness concerning you, even as We sent a messenger to Pharaoh.
PICKTHAL Lo! We have sent unto you a messenger as witness against you, even as We sent unto Pharaoh a messenger.
SHAKIR Surely We have sent to you a Messenger, a witness against you, as We sent a messenger to Firon.Progressive MuslimsL 7315 We have sent to you a messenger as a witness over you, as We have sent to Pharaoh a messenger.
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So you do not accept him elevated above the people of present times. So perhaps this too will be difficult for you to accept him as witness upon/against you, Ayisha;
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YUSUFALI We have sent to you, (O men!) a messenger, to be a witness concerning you, even as We sent a messenger to Pharaoh.
PICKTHAL Lo! We have sent unto you a messenger as witness against you, even as We sent unto Pharaoh a messenger.
SHAKIR Surely We have sent to you a Messenger, a witness against you, as We sent a messenger to Firon.Progressive MuslimsL 7315 We have sent to you a messenger as a witness over you, as We have sent to Pharaoh a messenger.
Right so now Muhammed is a witness against me who was born 1400 years after him? So he must be omnipresent then, just like Allah? oh and Jesus. Does not logic apply in that he was witness while he was alive and not now after he is dead?
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Ayisha, I did not give my translation. That is of others and progressive people. What an English reader will get from it when he will not even see the Arabic text placed above it?
An English reader will get that it was recited to the man that was speaking it to the people around THEN given that ONLY Allah is omnipresent and that Muhammed is a human being so therefore CANNOT be witnessing every person forever after he is dead, unless of course he is Allah like Jesus was