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Peace Mazhar,
Dont be dishonest so openly even academically. Go back what you translated in red and explain that first. And here too you you exposing your so called intellectual level by above observation. Even the most stupid student of Arabic will not say this, since the first verb is past/perfect and the other verb is second person, imperative, singular. But disease of Nifaq does not let people see blatent studpides of their observations.
If you are so smart then why didn?t you translate ?? and cut it short? Here is your half-baked translation of " "
Allah sent blessings, help, approval, to him ....
Given that like all sectarians you are mindlessly parroting words, I doubt that any of your logic is sound. I suspect this is why you didn?t translate ?wa sallim? since translating it would expose your nonsense. However, anyone can easily see your falsehood with a closer look.
First, the sectarian formula is actually ?salla allah alayh wa sallam?, not ?sallim?. So both verbs are in the past/perfect. Sectarians are misguided but they are not stupid. Unlike you, they know that ?sallim? would render the expression ungrammatical since it would result in tense disagreement and it would have no subject or if the subject is taken as ?allah? then it would be a blasphemous statement.
Ironically, the sectarians reverse the formula and make it in the imperative when they say ?allahuma salli ala Mohamad? during the Tahiyat section of their so called Salat. They don?t say ?allahuma salli ala Mohamad wa sallim? and they take out ?sallim? because again it would be blasphemous. So in this case they are essentially interpreting the god?s imperative as turning around and giving the god the same imperative.
Either way, whether it is the sectarian formula ?salla allah alayh wa sallam? or whether it is your Mazhar-invented formula ?salla allah alayh wa sallim? what you are parroting is nonsense that has nothing to do with what believers were told to do in 3356.
What the believers were told in 3356 is to do the same thing that the god did and in addition to that be at peace completely. The god certainly didn?t go around uttering ?salla allah alayh wa sallam? whenever the prophet?s name was mentioned. Similarly, the prophet didn?t understand the same command in 9103 to mean going around parroting ?salla allah alayh wa sallam? whenever the name of any of those who repented was mentioned. Think about it, if you can.
Peace,
Ayman
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If you are so smart then why didn?t you translate ?? and cut it short? Here is your half-baked translation of " "
Allah sent blessings, help, approval, to him ....
Why are you proving and confirming to be dishonest in academic discussion? Go back and see that I translated word by word the first three words of the above quote.
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It is certain that Allah and His Angels send blessings upon the Distinctly Elevated and Chosen OneVerb-Like Particle This is one of the six Particles called since in some features they resemble with verbs. They are sentential modifiers. What was earlier known as subject in a nominal sentence, because of its presence at the outset, that will now be called "-Noun of ", which is rendered in accusative case; and the predicate will be called its which will be in nominative case or state.
Allah Proper Noun-accusative.
Prefixed conjunction
Possessive Phrase Noun definite; plural; masculine; accusative + Possessive Pronoun Second person; singular; masculine; in genitive state.
Verb Imperfect; third person; masculine; plural + Subject pronoun in nominative case + Mood Indicative by ; Verbal noun -- Predicate of .
Prepositional phrase Separable preposition+ Noun Definite; singular; masculine; in genitive state; relating to verb.
Verb Perfect; singular; masculine; Verbal noun -
Allah Proper Noun-nominative-Subject of the verb.
Prepositional Phrase Separable Preposition + Pronoun Third person; Definite, singular, masculine;
Allah sent blessings, help, approval, to him .
Is the above statement a narration of a fact or a conjecture, lie?
And the whole sentence is Predicate of the Subject-Muhammad
This was with reference to the quote of the Ayat. The last part/two words are with reference to the following injunction which is not yet discussed when you gave this "intellectual's" translation of the last two words.
Peace Mazhar,
I thought that you were better than a typical wild eyed dogmatic big bearded Sunni Mullah. I thought you had more patience and humbleness. I guess I might have been wrong on this account.
You are claiming that you are saying " " based on the command in 3356. Here is how you translated 3356 (from your web site) and underlined is how you translated "" ("wa salemu"
It is certain that Allah and His Angels send blessings upon the Distinctly Elevated and Chosen One
O you who declare to have accepted listen this imperative, you people incline upon him with love and praising praying Allah for sending blessings, and you people submit to him salutations showing obeisance in a humble and respectful manner.In other words, when you say "sala allah alayh wa salam"/" " you are saying
Allah sent blessings, help, approval, to him and submits to him salutations showing obeisance.
This statement is a gross falsehood by any measure. This is why you didn't translate "wa salam". You know that it would expose your falsehood and your idoltarous statement.
Peace,
Ayman
This has exposed that you do not know Arabic and are deceiving people by wearing a garb of "intellectual". Allah will keep exposing each and every Munafiq.
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First, the sectarian formula is actually ?salla allah alayh wa sallam?, not ?sallim?. So both verbs are in the past/perfect.
Why are you so adamant to prove that apart from not knowing Arabic you are fool also by throwing such "pearls" on the forum? Do you know what is the difference between a transitive and non transitive verb? And do you know the implication of double "ll" in what you are presuing the sectarian formula "sallam"? You are not yet well trained in deceiving people. Practice for some time more.
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Peace Mazhar,
Why are you proving and confirming to be dishonest in academic discussion? Go back and see that I translated word by word the first three words of the above quote.
This was with reference to the quote of the Ayat. The last part/two words are with reference to the following injunction which is not yet discussed when you gave this "intellectual's" translation of the last two words.
This has exposed that you do not know Arabic and are deceiving people by wearing a garb of "intellectual". Allah will keep exposing each and every Munafiq.Why are you so adamant to prove that apart from not knowing Arabic you are fool also by throwing such "pearls" on the forum? Do you know what is the difference between a transitive and non transitive verb? And do you know the implication of double "ll" in what you are presuing the sectarian formula "sallam"? You are not yet well trained in deceiving people. Practice for some time more.This translation is taken from your translation of 3356, which you claim your mindless parroting of "salla allah 3alyh wa sallam" or "wa sallim" or whatever you made up is based on. If you think it is dishonest and foolish then go back and change your translation
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You continue to evade to translate the complete sentence "salla allah alayh wa sallam", specifically, the "wa sallam" part. Instead of honestly translating and focusing on the issue you act like a 5 year old whose parents didn't raise well. I think that by now everyone can see that you have no answer and you cannot translate "wa sallam" without exposing your nonsense. When cornered on the simplest specifics such as providing the translation of one word, you run and expose your dogmatic side.
Peace,
Ayman
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This translation is taken from your translation of 3356, which you claim your mindless parroting of "salla allah 3alyh wa sallam" or "wa sallim" or whatever you made up is based on. If you think it is dishonest and foolish then go back and change your translation
You seem to be a bold cheat and liar like Rashad Khalifa. My translation is this
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It is certain that Allah and His Angels send blessings upon the Distinctly Elevated and Chosen One
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O you who declare to have accepted listen this imperative,
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you people incline upon him with love and praising praying Allah for sending blessings, and you people submit to him salutations showing obeisance in a humble and respectful manner. who refused to show obeisance to Adam whom Allah granted distinction and honour].And you translated it by changing it with direction to Allah
Peace Mazhar,
You are claiming that you are saying " " based on the command in 3356. Here is how you translated 3356 (from your web site) and underlined is how you translated "" ("wa salemu"
It is certain that Allah and His Angels send blessings upon the Distinctly Elevated and Chosen One
O you who declare to have accepted listen this imperative, you people incline upon him with love and praising praying Allah for sending blessings, and you people submit to him salutations showing obeisance in a humble and respectful manner.In other words, when you say "sala allah alayh wa salam"/" " you are saying
Allah sent blessings, help, approval, to him and submits to him salutations showing obeisance.
Ayman
And now when I have pointed out to you the stupidies you have been showing with regard to Arabic words, you are avoiding to respond to those since by now you have realized that under no circumstances that could be implied which you stated in red bold.
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Peace Mazhar,
You seem to be a bold cheat and liar like Rashad Khalifa. My translation is this
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It is certain that Allah and His Angels send blessings upon the Distinctly Elevated and Chosen One
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O you who declare to have accepted listen this imperative,
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you people incline upon him with love and praising praying Allah for sending blessings, and you people submit to him salutations showing obeisance in a humble and respectful manner. who refused to show obeisance to Adam whom Allah granted distinction and honour].
And you translated it by changing it with direction to AllahYou claimed to parrot the formula "sala allah alayh wa sallam" based on 3356. So all I did was to take the translation of the word "sallam" from your translation of 3356. Changing the tense or the subject from A to B doesn't change the meaning and the only subject in your formula is "allah". If you think that this translation is cheating and lying, then it is not my problem that your translation of 3356 is another big lie on your deceptive website. This is why you can't translate even the one word "sallam" or "sallim" in your nonsensical parroting of "sala allah alayh wa sallam". You are mindlessly parroting this statement to imitate Mohamad-worshipping sectarians and not to sincerely uphold the god's command in 3356.
- The example of those who were given the Torah, but then failed to uphold it, is like the donkey that is carrying a cargo of books. Miserable indeed is the example of people who denied God's revelations. And God does not guide the wicked people.
And now when I have pointed out to you the stupidies you have been showing with regard to Arabic words, you are avoiding to respond to those since by now you have realized that under no circumstances that could be implied which you stated in red bold.
I didn't avoid anything. As you can see, I took those stupidities from your website. If you disagree that those are stupidities, then get some courage and stop running from the truth and directly tell us how you would translate "wa sallam" or "wa sallim" in your formula "sala allah alayh wa sallam". It would have taken you no more than 1 minute to translate this one word "wa sallam" instead of wasting everyone's time running around spewing obsenities. Is this the best you can do on this forum? Is this the extent of your knowledge?
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Mazhar,
You claimed to parrot the formula "sala allah alayh wa sallam" based on 3356. So all I did was to take the translation of the word "sallam" from your translation of 3356. Changing the tense or the subject from A to B doesn't change the meaning and the only subject in your formula is "allah". If you think that this translation is cheating and lying, then it is not my problem that your translation of 3356 is another big lie on your deceptive website. This is why you can't translate even the one word "sallam" or "sallim" in your nonsensical parroting of "sala allah alayh wa sallam". You are mindlessly parroting this statement to imitate Mohamad-worshipping sectarians and not to sincerely uphold the god's command in 3356.
- The example of those who were given the Torah, but then failed to uphold it, is like the donkey that is carrying a cargo of books. Miserable indeed is the example of people who denied God's revelations. And God does not guide the wicked people.
I didn't avoid anything. As you can see, I took those stupidities from your website. If you disagree that those are stupidities, then get some courage and stop running from the truth and directly tell us how you would translate "wa sallam" or "wa sallim" in your formula "sala allah alayh wa sallam". It would have taken you no more than 1 minute to translate this one word "wa sallam" instead of wasting everyone's time running around spewing obsenities. Is this the best you can do on this forum? Is this the extent of your knowledge?
Peace,
Ayman
Donkeys may have some little knowledge but idiots are worse than donkeys. Instead of straight accepting stupidity of false translation by you, you are like mammals regurgitating the same thing again and again, even more times than mammals. I keep your stupidites highlighting. Now only an idiot student of Arabic will fail to notice that wasalim is signular of verb sallimu with presence of waw and separating vowel-less aleph. And my translation you have yourself quoted. From plural reduce it to singular and there is the translation of "wasalim".
You have not replied the observations about your "pearls of wisdom" stated few posts earlier.
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Changing the tense or the subject from A to B doesn't change the meaning and the only subject in your formula is "allah".
Don't say this to a teacher of Arabic, he should slap on your face if you are his student. The subject of the verb is plural not singular "Allah", there is "waw" which is subject pronoun for plural, masculine, third person. Why do you talk such irrational and rather stupid things?
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Peace Mazhar, all,
Don't say this to a teacher of Arabic, he should slap on your face if you are his student. The subject of the verb is plural not singular "Allah", there is "waw" which is subject pronoun for plural, masculine, third person. Why do you talk such irrational and rather stupid things?
I don't know what you are smoking but you need to get off it because we are talking about the mindless formula that you utter. First of all the formula that sectarians parrot is "sala allah alayh wa sallam". You changed it and you decided to parrot your own imagined nonsense of "sala allah alayh wa sallim". You now claim that it should be "salla allah alayh wa sallimu". You are definitely on drugs or you have some mental issues. At any rate, since you are too lazy to provide your own translation, then for the benefit of the members of this forum here is the translation for all three according to your nonsensical web site's translation of 3356
- "sala allah alayh wa sallam"
Allah sent blessings, help, approval, to him and submitted to him salutations showing obeisance (this is the sectarian formula, which is grammatical but blasphemous).
- "sala allah alayh wa sallim"
Allah sent blessings, help, approval, to him and submit (2nd person singular imperative) to him salutations showing obeisance (this is ungrammatical nonsense where there is no tense agreement and the subject is missing for the second verb or it is ungrammatical and blasphemous if the subject is taken as "allah"
- "sala allah alayh wa sallimu"
Allah sent blessings, help, approval, to him and submit (2nd person plural imperative) to him salutations showing obeisance (this is ungrammatical nonsense where there is no tense agreement and the subject is missing for the second verb)
So any of the formulas that Mazhar decides to choose from these is a bunch of crap and I am sure this would also be the case for any other formula he dreams up in the future to imitate Mohamad-worshipping idolaters.
Peace,
Ayman
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I don't know what you are smoking but you need to get off it because we are talking about the mindless formula that you utter. First of all the formula that sectarians parrot is "sala allah alayh wa sallam". You changed it and you decided to parrot your own imagined nonsense of "sala allah alayh wa sallim". You now claim that it should be "salla allah alayh wa sallimu".
You now seem to be a classic idiot so far knowig Arabic is concerned. Put these words in Arabic and see nowhere it has been said by me. My words are the same old ones carrying simple and straight forward meanings for everyone who just understands the abc of Arabic but stupid scholars fail to read or understand these because they are by now blind hearted, hopeless case for any recovery; bye.
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Peace San,
bye, Mazhar?
you haven't answered this question how do you Salla Nabi?
I think that's on topic with this thread--that's why i keep pushing this. don't go bye bye just yet pleaseHe claims that he does this by uttering some formula everytime a certain name is mentioned. However, he is ignorant of what the formula really means and thus evades to completely translate it into English.
Can anyone of those who understand 3356 to mean that we should utter some formula translate this formula in a way consistent with 3356? I am sure no one can.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace San,
He claims that he does this by uttering some formula everytime a certain name is mentioned. However, he is ignorant of what the formula really means and thus evades to completely translate it into English.
Can anyone of those who understand 3356 to mean that we should utter some formula translate this formula in a way consistent with 3356? I am sure no one can.
Peace,
Ayman
well, sir, i'd like Mazhar's opinion directly from him as well -- we sort of have an "unfinished business"..
Peace,
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Peace San,
well, sir, i'd like Mazhar's opinion directly from him as well -- we sort of have an "unfinished business"..
Good luck then since getting the formula's translation out of him is like pulling teeth.
There are hundreds of millions of people who utter the formula. Any of them should be able to provide a translation. Whether the translation is in line with 3356 is another matter. This is why Mazhar is evasive.
At any rate, this is not about Mazahar or me. It is about exposing the fact that mechanically uttering a certain formula is not what is meant by 3356. Moreover, the formula itself being uttered is not in line with 3356.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Mazhar,
You now seem to be a classic idiot so far knowig Arabic is concerned. Put these words in Arabic and see nowhere it has been said by me. My words are the same old ones carrying simple and straight forward meanings for everyone who just understands the abc of Arabic but stupid scholars fail to read or understand these because they are by now blind hearted, hopeless case for any recovery; bye.
Then tells us the exact formula uttered by you and translate it so that there is no confusion and misunderstanding.
If you think that your formula is true and corect then why keep it and its meaning as a mystery? Why hide what you believe is the truth? Do you think that I am the only one reading this thread?
Peace,
Ayman
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(2nd person singular imperative) to him salutations showing obeisance (this is ungrammatical nonsense where there is no tense agreement and the subject is missing for the second verb or it is ungrammatical and blasphemous if the subject is taken as "allah"
Good, atleast you have started bothering about grammer too. Now a little more study and you will understand that in the imperative verb the subject is always built in. It is you who took the subject of verb as "Allah" not anyone else as you put the translation in red in some posts earlier. is imperative command where the subjects are people, the believers and the object is the Messenger. And is imperative command to individual, one believer, one listener, individual reader who is reading the text.
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Peace Mazhar,
Good, atleast you have started bothering about grammer too. Now a little more study and you will understand that in the imperative verb the subject is always built in. It is you who took the subject of verb as "Allah" not anyone else as you put the translation in red in some posts earlier. is imperative command where the subjects are people, the believers and the object is the Messenger. And is imperative command to individual, one believer, one listener, individual reader who is reading the text.
This is false. The subject for the imperative is not always built in. This is why in 3356, the subject for both the imperative verbs "sallu" and "sallimu" is given as
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which you translated as the following subject O you who declare to have accepted listen this imperative,
So for there is in fact a separate subject and it is not "built in" as you imagine. This is why you can't translate your formula "sala allah alayh wa sallim" into English since it would expose your formula as ungrammatical nonsense. Notice that you didn't object to my translation, which is in fact ungrammatical
Allah sent blessings, help, approval, to him and submit to him salutations showing obeisance
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You didn't object to my translation but only objected to my comments on the translation where I explain why it is ungrammatical. So you seem to be the only one in the world who thinks that the above sentence is grammatical. In fact, I guarantee that you can't translate your formula into English while not turning it into ungrammatical nonsense without inserting a subject. If you disagree then go ahead and translate your formula for us.
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Another question is, why did you change the standard Sunni formula from "wa sallam" (which is at least grammatical) into "wa sallim" (which renders the formula ungrammatical)? Sectarians Arabs might be misguided but at least they can tell when something is ungrammatical.
Peace,
Ayman
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So for there is in fact a separate subject and it is not "built in" as you imagine.
Peace Mazhar,
This is false. The subject for the imperative is not always built in. This is why in 3356, the subject for both the imperative verbs "sallu" and "sallimu" is given as
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which you translated as the following subject O you who declare to have accepted listen this imperative,
So for there is in fact a separate subject and it is not "built in" as you imagine. This is why you can't translate your formula "sala allah alayh wa sallim" into English since it would expose your formula as ungrammatical nonsense. Notice that you didn't object to my translation, which is in fact ungrammatical
Allah sent blessings, help, approval, to him and submit to him salutations showing obeisance
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You didn't object to my translation but only objected to my comments on the translation where I explain why it is ungrammatical. So you seem to be the only one in the world who thinks that the above sentence is grammatical. In fact, I guarantee that you can't translate your formula into English while not turning it into ungrammatical nonsense without inserting a subject. If you disagree then go ahead and translate your formula for us.
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Another question is, why did you change the standard Sunni formula from "wa sallam" (which is at least grammatical) into "wa sallim" (which renders the formula ungrammatical)? Sectarians Arabs might be misguided but at least they can tell when something is ungrammatical.
Peace,
Ayman
Ayman,
What is the problem with you? Why you put such things on the forum which are baseless? Why not you find just about twenty minuties to read about verbs in Arabic?
You are saying subjects of both verbs coming after the above sentence is " " thos who have believed--Do you not know that this is perfect/past verb; third person; plural; masculine. How the subject of third person verb could be the subject of imperative verb, which is always second person? And do you not know the basic lesson of Arabic that the subject comes after the verb and not before the verb? In the subject pronoun is waw in nominative state for second person plural; masculine. Pl Aymen take little time to go through basics which will facilitate discussion if you wish to keep insisting on a baseless premise.
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Peace Mazhar,
What is the problem with you? Why you put such things on the forum which are baseless? Why not you find just about twenty minuties to read about verbs in Arabic?
You are saying subjects of both verbs coming after the above sentence is " " thos who have believed--Do you not know that this is perfect/past verb; third person; plural; masculine. How the subject of third person verb could be the subject of imperative verb, which is always second person? And do you not know the basic lesson of Arabic that the subject comes after the verb and not before the verb? In the subject pronoun is waw in nominative state for second person plural; masculine. Pl Aymen take little time to go through basics which will facilitate discussion if you wish to keep insisting on a baseless premise.I wasn't talking about " " by itself. Can't you read the following?
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Here is how you tanslated it
O you who declare to have accepted listen this imperative,
Can you read the word "you" in your own translation above. Don't you know that "you" is a second person and it is the subject of ""?
Back to your formula. The subject for the imperative needs to be provided whenever there is a change in subject or direction with two additive clauses (separated by and or waw in Arabic) and this is the same in Arabic and English. For example
I cleaned up and you clean up too. (grammatical)
I cleaned up and clean up. (ungrammatical nonsense)
John cooked and you wash the dishes. (not 100% grammatical but at least somewhat understandable)
John cooked and wash the dishes. (ungrammatical nonsense)-
Again, you keep evading the simple task of translating your formula and thereby submitting to the fact that my ungrammatical translation is the proper translation for your ungrammatical formula "salla allah alayh wa sallim".
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You also evade answering why you don't use the sectarian formula, which is "salla alla alayh wa sallam", and instead you made up your own formula.
There is no discussion without you honestly answering at least one of those points, if not both.
Peace,
Ayman
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