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    Raaajah
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    Arnold Yasin

    Salam,

    1. No
    2. Differs per community and persons.

    Thank you for clarifying point number 1.
    For the second point If this book is intended for Muslims, as i think because its name suggests,
    then Sorry to say Irshad manji is not the right person for any Muslim community,
    Based on her thoughts about Islam as a Feminist.

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      Leyna
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      Sorry to say Irshad manji is not the right person for any Muslim community

      Maybe she is "not the right person" for you. Other Muslims might decide otherwise.

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        szuberi
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        Since it is under Umbrella of Edip Yuksel, So shall one assume, all the writers who contributed towards this book are under influnce of Miracle of 19, and preaching of Rashad Khalifa?

        and then to have people like Irshad Manji on the list, realy is too much to start with.
        I am telling you with sincerity that only this name alone can make people avoid even glancing at the book, (I am talking about masses).

        Well let us see what's up the Islamic reform.

        Raajah

        For most muslims, the words Islam and reform can not go to bed together to begin with so while your point is valid, the absence of names like Rashad or Irshad Manji wont make much difference anyway.

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          Wakas
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          there is a big difference between "islam reform" or "reform islam" and "islamic reform".

          "islamic reform" implies reform done in an islamic manner.

          All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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            Raaajah
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            Wakas

            there is a big difference between "islam reform" or "reform islam" and "islamic reform".
            "islamic reform" implies reform done in an islamic manner.

            Exactly.

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              nsws1988
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              Thanks for the book!

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                Edip_Yuksel
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                Arnold Yasin
                Thank you for clarifying point number 1.
                For the second point If this book is intended for Muslims, as i think because its name suggests,
                then Sorry to say Irshad manji is not the right person for any Muslim community,
                Based on her thoughts about Islam as a Feminist.

                Dear Raajah,

                This book is not for bigots (look at the dictionary if you have not heard of it). This book is for those who are brave and open minded enough to "listen the words and follow the best," for those who "do not follow ideas without having knowledge about them."

                There are thousands of volumes of books that reflect the Sunni or Shiite theology and practices. I have so far read hundreds of volumes of such books and I know their views. But, you appear to have lacking confidence in yourself. You may not be interested in Edip's and Irshad's views, but the book contains 28 other authors who are neither the clones of Edip nor of Irshad.

                If you are looking for a book that reflects Edip's views, this book is not one of them. If you are looking for a book that is in agreement with your religious position, this book definitely is not one of them.

                Peace,
                Edip

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                  Jafar
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                  Since it is under Umbrella of Edip Yuksel, So shall one assume, all the writers who contributed towards this book are under influnce of Miracle of 19, and preaching of Rashad Khalifa?

                  and then to have people like Irshad Manji on the list, realy is too much to start with.
                  I am telling you with sincerity that only this name alone can make people avoid even glancing at the book, (I am talking about masses).

                  Well let us see what's up the Islamic reform.

                  Raajah you're mistaken, the book is actually being written by the JEWS and CHRISTIANS who are trying to weaken the muslim IMAAN and convert them to their religion and be a MURTAAD.. As thus this book is not for true muslim like you...

                  Salam / Peace

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                    Raaajah
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                    Dear Edip,

                    There are thousands of volumes of books that reflect the Sunni or Shiite theology and practices. I have so far read hundreds of volumes of such books and I know their views. But, you appear to have lacking confidence in yourself. You may not be interested in Edip's and Irshad's views, but the book contains 28 other authors who are neither the clones of Edip nor of Irshad.

                    Yes, you have read a lot, you need not repeat that.
                    I would just like to quote Wakas once again

                    there is a big difference between "islam reform" or "reform islam" and "islamic reform".
                    "islamic reform" implies reform done in an islamic manner.

                    I surely am not interested in the writings of those who want to "Reform Islam". Either by removing or adding some verses in Quran, or By propagating the Same sex marriage, for example. Neither will be any average Muslim.
                    Regarding other 28 writers, you mentioned, I have not read them all, but for example, Dr.Ayman, suggests reading of Quran through NOUNS and Pronouns, common and Proper, BUT he no where Adds or deletes something in Quran, he does Islamic reform in Islamic manner.

                    Edip

                    This book is not for bigots (look at the dictionary if you have not heard of it). This book is for those who are brave and open minded enough to "listen the words and follow the best," for those who "do not follow ideas without having knowledge about them."

                    Thank you for your advise.
                    Braveness and open mindedness does not mean, corruption of Quran.

                    Edip

                    If you are looking for a book that reflects Edip's views, this book is not one of them. If you are looking for a book that is in agreement with your religious position, this book definitely is not one of them

                    Before putting anything into our mouth we observe the color, smell its odor. If it looks rotten or smells bad we do not touch it.
                    Edip Yuksel.

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                      The link does not work

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                        Edip_Yuksel
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                        Edip
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                        If you are looking for a book that reflects Edip's views, this book is not one of them. If you are looking for a book that is in agreement with your religious position, this book definitely is not one of them

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                        Before putting anything into our mouth we observe the color, smell its odor. If it looks rotten or smells bad we do not touch it.
                        Edip Yuksel.

                        Fantastic Raaajah! You appear to have great wits. As it seems, you have smelled the book properly. So, do not touch it. It might be harmful to your sense of taste and smell.

                        PS You will chose what you deserve or vice versa!

                        Peace,
                        Edip

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                          Wakas
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                          peace Omari,

                          The link works for me, but it takes a little while to load when clicked on. You can also try HERE (right click and save target as).

                          All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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