The Night of Decree is the 27th day of the 9th moon: Incontrovertible proof
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??no matter what kind of miracles you present to those who disbelieve, they say ?you are falsifiers? (305.
Ayisha
Agreed, and I like numbers.
Isn't this coming Sunday the 25th night and not the 27th night though?
Also, Allah made a year to be 365.25 days according to the sun (and moon) and as the Islamic calendar is 11 days shorter than that 'natural' year, does Allah comply with the Islamic calendar or with the natural calendar when this night will be?Ayisha
still doesnt answer my question regarding Allah complying to when muslims of a certain country decide this night is
pierre
I am wondering Did you read the article ? Quran makes it clear in Quran that the night of Decree is coded as the 27th night of the 9th "moon". You did not read and study it.
It is very hard to make her read or study, I thought it is only Me, no also Mazhar, wait and Mushu, and Fahad and now you who have same problem with her.
As for me it is 27th all the way. even before reading this article.
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AyishaAyisha
pierre
It is very hard to make her read or study, I thought it is only Me, no also Mazhar, wait and Mushu, and Fahad and now you who have same problem with her.
yes you do all seem to have something in common dont you ;DAs for me it is 27th all the way. even before reading this article.
so raj, assuming you mean 27th of Ramadan which is the Isamic calendar that has 354 days in a year and not 365 which Allah has decreed a year marked by the orbit of the sun, can you tell me this does Allah comply with muslims when they decide this night will be, or would it be one of the 365 nights that Allah made of which the islamic calendar is short by 11 days? Thinking about it, what if it is one of those 11 days that the Islamic calendar is missing o
Why had Fahad got a problem with me ??? I haven't discussed anything with him ???
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Salaam Ayman,
Did you read the article?
http//www.islamrevolution.org/thenightofdecree.htmI know it is the 9th moon because Quran was revealed during Ramadan (2185).
I won't be able to answer any other post before tomorrow, I hope we can set this issue straight peacefully. It is very important.
God bless.Yes Quran was raveled on 27th day of fasting ah my dear uncle Abu jahal and company were fasting when Quran was revealed. yes
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Salam
If the Lailatul Qadr falls on 21 or 23 or 25 or 27 or today or tomorrow what makes the difference to us. What do we understand from the verse.
Lo! We revealed it on the Night of Power. (Surely Quran)
Ah, what will explain unto thee what the Night of Power is! (Prophet does not know what is Night of Power)
The Night of Power is better than a thousand months. (it is better than a thousand months, because in my opinion
Quran was revealed in that Night to dispel the Darkness of Ignorance)The angels and the Spirit descend therein, by the permission of their Lord, with all decrees. (Does anybody know what are the decrees?)
(That night is) Peace until the rising of the dawn. (Can anyone define what is peace)
Then why so fuss about the above verses.
Has Allah commanded us to pray in this night?
Has Allah assured us forgiveness in this night?
Is this night's prayer is equal to 80 years of prayer.
It is high time that we should follow only what Allah has decreed and not CONJECTURES. It will lead us to NOWHERE.
May Allah guide us all.
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Alhamdulilah, may the Lord reconcile our hearts, and accept the judgment of the messenger of God. I think my Lord chose certain people for certain purposes, I read the work Pierre did with the Night of Decree, and Solomon with the recitation, and Edip's argument for the recitation of al-fatiha during salat, back when Rashad was on earth, though he is alive at His Lord , and was editor of Submitters Perspective.
I feel blessed too, to have understood something about the 3 Semitic religions the Buddhist idea of 3 wise monkeys, which I am still exploring. But then I can also look to the works of other men, such as Ian Brown who had an album titled Unfinished Monkey Business, and later wrote a track titled Hear No See No and various other musicians like Coldplay "you just want somebody listening to what you say, it doesn't matter who you are," , and how by listening you philosophise, and the more you listen the more you know, and how the Old Testament was an orally transmitted book, almost like music. The Quran is beautiful book too, poetic, and now I can return to study the words, instead of the immense mathematics behind, I can believe, just on the presence of words of the Quran.One of the great miracles ( Quran 7435)
7+4+3+5=19
Peace
A Submitter
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I tend to agree with Br Kazi. This is the night when Qur'an was revealed and is addressed to the Messenger Muhammad (SWS). It had a great significance for the future of mankind. It came with guidance that was to dispel darkness of ignorance and bring on a dawn of peace and enlightenment.
The Qur'an does not specify special prayers to be done this night. What came to us is from our parents, family, etc. That said, those who want to pray should pray, no harm.
If it is (as some believe) a night when peoples destinies are determined (including those belonging to Muslim Ummah) then considering the present state of affairs of the Ummah, Allah does not seem too pleased with us.
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Peace Pierre,
Did you read the article?
http//www.islamrevolution.org/thenightofdecree.htmI read the article a while back and I read it again. There is nothing in there that answers my simple question.
How do you know the 9th moon?
I know it is the 9th moon because Quran was revealed during Ramadan (2185).
I won't be able to answer any other post before tomorrow, I hope we can set this issue straight peacefully. It is very important.
God bless.I agree that the issue is very important. This is why it is important to separate what is manmade from what is god-given.
There is nothing inherent in the Hijri calendar month (not moon) named Ramadan that makes it the 9th whatever. In fact, there is nothing inherent in Shaaban that makes it month 8 and the same can be said about any Hijri month for that matter. Your assumption that it is the 9th something is a false assumption based on the 100% arbitrary and manmade order of the months in the Hijri calendar. Shaaban is in turn based on Rajab being 7 and Jumada Al-Thani being 6 and so on all the way back to when this calendar was first made up and which month it started with. Since the calendar started at the time of Umar, your present Ramadan is approximately month 17000 (give or take). Repeating the names of the months every 12 is all that the Hijri calendar does. Those names are anyway meaningless and 100% arbitrary and manmade.
Since what I am saying is pretty much indisputable, are you saying that the god descends the spirit on a certain night based on what Umar or some other guy decided for him?
Peace,
Ayman
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Salam
If the Lailatul Qadr falls on 21 or 23 or 25 or 27 or today or tomorrow what makes the difference to us. What do we understand from the verse.
Lo! We revealed it on the Night of Power. (Surely Quran)
Ah, what will explain unto thee what the Night of Power is! (Prophet does not know what is Night of Power)
The Night of Power is better than a thousand months. (it is better than a thousand months, because in my opinion
Quran was revealed in that Night to dispel the Darkness of Ignorance)The angels and the Spirit descend therein, by the permission of their Lord, with all decrees. (Does anybody know what are the decrees?)
(That night is) Peace until the rising of the dawn. (Can anyone define what is peace)
Then why so fuss about the above verses.
Has Allah commanded us to pray in this night?
Has Allah assured us forgiveness in this night?
Is this night's prayer is equal to 80 years of prayer.
It is high time that we should follow only what Allah has decreed and not CONJECTURES. It will lead us to NOWHERE.
May Allah guide us all.
THIS IS ALSO WHAT I ASK ME FRIENDS ABOUT... WHATS ABOUT THIS NIGHT? WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT IT IS THAT IT IS GONE.
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THIS IS ALSO WHAT I ASK ME FRIENDS ABOUT... WHATS ABOUT THIS NIGHT? WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT IT IS THAT IT IS GONE.
No, it is not gone, it comes every year on the night of orange moon, which is God's marker for starting a year for mankind. It is the first full moon after summer solstice.
What i can perceive, Allah sends down plans/instructions for mankind/individual, to the controllers on this night. He also sent down Quran on this night once 1400 years ago.
He also picked out this marker, for us to start fasting for a few days.
siki
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No, it is not gone, it comes every year on the night of orange moon, which is God's marker for starting a year for mankind. It is the first full moon after summer solstice.
What i can perceive, Allah sends down plans/instructions for mankind/individual, to the controllers on this night. He also sent down Quran on this night once 1400 years ago.
He also picked out this marker, for us to start fasting for a few days.
siki
Why not everyday? Moreover, the verses does not imply a single time that the quran was being revealed on that special night. How do we conclude that the quran was revealed on this particular night?
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Why not everyday? Moreover, the verses does not imply a single time that the quran was being revealed on that special night. How do we conclude that the quran was revealed on this particular night?
97-1 we sent it down in the night of destiny,
what is been sent from GOd? most probably Quran. let us confirm it.
2-185 shahar ur ramadhan , that we sent down quran,
If we co relate two ayays we can safely deduce,
Quran was sent down in a night , which was marked by shahar ur ramadhaan, ( FUll moon of scorching heat) , so the night which bagan with shhar ur ramadahn , is know as lalitul qadar, (night of destiny) why is He calling it as night of destiny or decree or Qadar? Because GOd is also telling us that He sends down his messengers/controllers with annul new plan regarding direction of our lives for next year begining with this night, which is marked with full moon of scorching heat, or the orange moon.
And He also decided to make us fast for few days after watching shahru ramadhan, so actually ,if we follow the system correctly, we would end up starting our first fast when lailatul qadar is fininshing.
TO understand above properly you have to first find out what is meant by shahr , and shahr ur ramadhan in GOd's system.
siki
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97-1 we sent it down in the night of destiny,
what is been sent from GOd? most probably Quran. let us confirm it.
Agree its a probability but why is it the only option? It could be referring to the Orders which the controllers bring in this night. Not only to the Quran... since the Quran was already revealed since long. Moreover, the explanation given on this night is directly related to the stuff occurring on that night.. Therefore, the IT can be linked to the event of the "Order' as well.
2-185 shahar ur ramadhan , that we sent down quran,
Yes... that does not imply a single night . Could be the whole month little by little.
If we co relate two ayays we can safely deduce,
Quran was sent down in a night , which was marked by shahar ur ramadhaan, ( FUll moon of scorching heat) , so the night which bagan with shhar ur ramadahn , is know as lalitul qadar, (night of destiny) why is He calling it as night of destiny or decree or Qadar? Because GOd is also telling us that He sends down his messengers/controllers with annul new plan regarding direction of our lives for next year begining with this night, which is marked with full moon of scorching heat, or the orange moon.
Personally, I have never been observe such a phenomena in my region... Though, I might have missed it.. but every time i check the moon here.. that is very often to say, it is always bright. I have read about the scorching heat etc... I would need to hunt for this moon here.
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Agree its a probability but why is it the only option? It could be referring to the Orders which the controllers bring in this night. Not only to the Quran... since the Quran was already revealed since long. Moreover, the explanation given on this night is directly related to the stuff occurring on that night.. Therefore, the IT can be linked to the event of the "Order' as well.
Yes... that does not imply a single night . Could be the whole month little by little.
Personally, I have never been observe such a phenomena in my region... Though, I might have missed it.. but every time i check the moon here.. that is very often to say, it is always bright. I have read about the scorching heat etc... I would need to hunt for this moon here.
Brother, first you have to spend a few weeks on the thread down below, for correctly comprehending "Shahar" , once you do , Inshaallah every thing will fall in place.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.0
This is one of the biggest breakthroughs that this forum has ever made, with brother Aymen in the lead.
Thanks
siki
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Brother, first you have to spend a few weeks on the thread down below, for correctly comprehending "Shahar" , once you do , Inshaallah every thing will fall in place.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.0
This is one of the biggest breakthroughs that this forum has ever made, with brother Aymen in the lead.
Thanks
siki
Bear with me.. I have indeed read this a while back brother...
With or without the shahr... the fact remain that attibuting the HU to Quran alone is just an option and the other option is the 'Malaaikah bringing the orders' itself... The Surah does not speak at all regarding revelation of the Quran. So, why are we attributing the HU with Quran revelation... I think we have these options
- Revelation of Quran
- The event of descent of malaaikah with orders etc
- The Rooh
Now, what are the clear proof for us to fix the HU to the Quran?
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Peace Siki, WayFinder, all,
Here is an article in Arabic on this subject
http//www.scribd.com/doc/30298535/%D9%85%D8%AA%D9%8A-%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%84%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%AF%D8%B1
I think that the arguments are even more compelling in Arabic.
Peace,
Ayman
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Salaam Ayman and all,
Peace Pierre,
I read the article a while back and I read it again. There is nothing in there that answers my simple question.
How do you know the 9th moon?
I agree that the issue is very important. This is why it is important to separate what is manmade from what is god-given.
There is nothing inherent in the Hijri calendar month (not moon) named Ramadan that makes it the 9th whatever. In fact, there is nothing inherent in Shaaban that makes it month 8 and the same can be said about any Hijri month for that matter. Your assumption that it is the 9th something is a false assumption based on the 100% arbitrary and manmade order of the months in the Hijri calendar. Shaaban is in turn based on Rajab being 7 and Jumada Al-Thani being 6 and so on all the way back to when this calendar was first made up and which month it started with. Since the calendar started at the time of Umar, your present Ramadan is approximately month 17000 (give or take). Repeating the names of the months every 12 is all that the Hijri calendar does. Those names are anyway meaningless and 100% arbitrary and manmade.
Since what I am saying is pretty much indisputable, are you saying that the god descends the spirit on a certain night based on what Umar or some other guy decided for him?
Peace,
Ayman
Sura 97 teaches us that no only Quran was revealed on the Night of decree (971), it is also that day God sends the angels and the spirit to carry out every command (974).
- 971 is a one time event in the history of mankind Revelation of Quran.
- 974 is a recurring event once a year since there is life on earth, until the Day of Judgment.
These are two different things. In general terms, God says The Night of Decree is better than 1000 months It is the power associated with this yearly recurring event where God organises everything on earth.
God's system is based on 12 months
936 The count of months, as far as GOD is concerned, is twelve. This has been GOD's law, since the day He created the heavens and the earth. Four of them are sacred. This is the perfect religion; you shall not wrong your souls (by fighting) during the Sacred Months. However, you may declare all-out war against the idol worshipers (even during the Sacred Months), when they declare all-out war against you, and know that GOD is on the side of the righteous.As you can see in the verse, God does not detail the names of all months, because he knows we know.
I said in my previous post that it is an undisputable fact Quran was revealed during Ramadan. It is the only name of month mentioned by name in Quran. Why ? Because we know.
2183 teaches us that the fast of Ramadan has been in place long before Muhammad.Quran mentions the word "month" 12 times. It is His system.
Ayman, you are really missing the point because you do not understand that God controls everything. You look for answers and dispute everything, when the number and names of months, even the Night of Decree has been passed down to us very well.
By revisiting everything all the time, you get lost.Again, the lunar 12 months system has been in place "since the day He created the heavens and the earth" (936). God says it, we shall submit.
I hope for you and as many people as possible that you will realize today, as tomorrow in "the blessed night" of Decree (at least in America, I don't know where you are), that you are going to reap the benefits of that night, pray, meditate, that we will all do that and benefit from the awesome power associated with it.I provided dramatic proofs that it is the 27th night of the 9th moon.
I know that thus far you claimed that the gematrical value is human made. It is not too late to realize the truth
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There are 410 verses between 1778 (27th occurrence of the word "Night" since the beginning of Quran) and 2133 (9th occurrence of the word "Moon".
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There are 27 words "day" between 1778 and 2133.
This is an indisputable FACT. -
410 is the gematrical value of the night of Decree.
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27 is the number of days in the "9th moon", and the day of the night of Decree
I do not need to repeat or detail here the many amazing signs mentionned in the article about "the night of Decree (http//www.islamrevolution.org/thenightofdecree.htm).
These signs are far beyond what any force in the universe can achieve.
I will thus keep it very simple, either you take it, or you leave it.
Anyone who is not sincere, God gives it the opportunity to say "This is human made" (see 7425), or "the gematrical value system is nothing, 410 verses between 1778 and 2133 was just luck". In truth, God appeals to our sincerity and intelligence.
These are staigthforward signs, yes anyone can always argue.
Ayman I simply want to let you know, from the bottom of my heart, today is a turning point, you are given a once in a lifetime chance, and everyone on this forum who does not understand the Night of Decree as well If you reject the signs you will deeply regret it on the Day of Judgment.There should be no ego involved here. I have crashed in my life. You have also crashed. Everyone has crashed., At one point we must say STOP or pay the consequences.
We will all be interrogated, and rejecting such signs is not free.
I wish to everyone a blessed end of Ramadan, a blessed Night od Decree where we are given a miraculous opportunity to praise and glorify God while He is sending his blessings on earth together with the angels and Gabriel, the spirit.
Glory to God.
Pierre
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Peace Pierre,
As you can see in the verse, God does not detail the names of all months, because he knows we know.
I said in my previous post that it is an undisputable fact Quran was revealed during Ramadan. It is the only name of month mentioned by name in Quran. Why ? Because we know.
2183 teaches us that the fast of Ramadan has been in place long before Muhammad.Your fuzzy statement "because we know" is the real basis of your entire house of cards. May I ask you HOW do you know?
You don't seem to know that your so called Ramadan is dependent upon Shaaban...Muharam and so on. Without those Hijri calendar months and their specific order and sequence and which month and year the calendar started from then there is no Ramadan for you. Are you saying that the god inspired Umar to make the Hijri calendar??
Also, you don't seem to know the simple indisputable fact that there was no such thing as the Hijri calendar before Muhammad.
How do you know anything if you don't even seem to know those simple indisputable facts.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace
Kashif Hussain
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