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The Most Dignified, the Most Elevated always comes as the last one

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    savage_carrot
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    Afridi
    We can feel them if we concentrate.

    "I feel dead people"...necrophiliacs the world over are thanking raaajah.

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      Raaajah
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      savage-carrot

      "I feel dead people"...necrophiliacs the world over are thanking raaajah.

      You seem to have good relations with them as they are communicating with you, are you a necro-maniac?
      any way say my regards to them.

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        35.22 Nor are alike those that are living and those that are dead. Allah can make any that He wills to hear; but thou canst not make those to hear who are (buried) in graves.

        Mazhar
        but/and you the Messenger cannot make those hear who are in the graves ,

        so telling me to ask Muhammed to seek forgiveness for me from Allah again contradicted his own translation. )

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          Mazhar
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          35.22 Nor are alike those that are living and those that are dead. Allah can make any that He wills to hear; but thou canst not make those to hear who are (buried) in graves.

          Mazhar
          but/and you the Messenger cannot make those hear who are in the graves ,

          so telling me to ask Muhammed to seek forgiveness for me from Allah again contradicted his own translation. )

          He could neither make those people who were "dead" in his life nor can he make people of today listen who are "dead" like those who are in graves. The appropriate question is whether we are "alive" since even if he was physically amongst us, his presence could not benefit us if we are like those who are "dead" in the graves.

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          And when it is said to them, "You people come for self-elevation
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          the Messenger of Allah will incline/like to seek forgiveness for you people"; they twist their heads
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          and you see/note the response that they Muna'fi'qeen turn/avoid/divert from you , the Messenger
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          and they demonstrate self-pride having made themselves obsessed with pride of superiority and grandeur.

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            He could neither make those people who were "dead" in his life nor can he make people of today listen who are "dead" like those who are in graves. The appropriate question is whether we are "alive" since even if he was physically amongst us, his presence could not benefit us if we are like those who are "dead" in the graves.

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            And when it is said to them, "You people come for self-elevation
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            the Messenger of Allah will incline/like to seek forgiveness for you people"; they twist their heads
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            and you see/note the response that they Muna'fi'qeen turn/avoid/divert from you , the Messenger
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            and they demonstrate self-pride having made themselves obsessed with pride of superiority and grandeur.

            Still the fact that those in the graves cannot hear you or your prayers to them, right?

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              The Most Dignified, the Most Elevated always comes as the last one.

              It is everyday experience that in any assembly-gathering of human beings the Most Dignified and Elevated amongst them arrives-comes- in the assembly after everyone has come. In Pakistan, the President of Pakistan arrives at any place of gathering when all others have come and seated and on his arrival everyone stands and upon his coming at the stage the national anthem is immediately played which reflects that the whole nation is paying him tribute and salutation and men and women in uniform in that gathering keep continuously saluting him throughout the national anthem is played. And perhaps so is the tradition the worldover.

              Would anyone denies or contradicts this simple truth?

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                Would anyone denies or contradicts this simple truth?

                I dont know anything about the current president of Pakistan and still trying to find this in Quran if you are trying again to imply the last messenger is to be distinguished and 'distinctly elevated' above all from among all other messengers.

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                  Mazhar
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                  I dont know anything about the current president of Pakistan and still trying to find this in Quran if you are trying again to imply the last messenger is to be distinguished and 'distinctly elevated' above all from among all other messengers.

                  Is following not the fact with regard to the President of Egypt?

                  The Most Dignified, the Most Elevated always comes as the last one.

                  It is everyday experience that in any assembly-gathering of human beings the Most Dignified and Elevated amongst them arrives-comes- in the assembly after everyone has come. In Pakistan, the President of Pakistan arrives at any place of gathering when all others have come and seated and on his arrival everyone stands and upon his coming at the stage the national anthem is immediately played which reflects that the whole nation is paying him tribute and salutation and men and women in uniform in that gathering keep continuously saluting him throughout the national anthem is played. And perhaps so is the tradition the worldover.

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                    Ayisha
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                    Is following not the fact with regard to the President of Egypt?

                    I have no idea, but what is the point of this anyway? This is not a forum for the presidents of the world is it?

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                      And I read again if I had mentioned dead standing up and giving salutation. I did not find in the above quote. Frankly speaking Afridi I could not "read" you.

                      Salam brother

                      But i can read you loud and clear, ;D i know what you mean by that statment.

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                        Mazhar
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                        I have no idea, but what is the point of this anyway? This is not a forum for the presidents of the world is it?

                        It is about accepting the principles and well defined and universally accepted norms. Is it siki's rocket science that one does not have idea about it. It is simple and plain visible thing, which I have stated, everywhere in the world. The point is that whether people accept this or even deny this plain narration of a fact.

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                          It is about accepting the principles and well defined and universally accepted norms. Is it siki's rocket science that one does not have idea about it. It is simple and plain visible thing, which I have stated, everywhere in the world. The point is that whether people accept this or even deny this plain narration of a fact.

                          but what is the POINT of this thread?

                          When your current president is dead and the next one comes they will do the same for him too

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                            Ayisha
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                            and another thing, how can you claim that leaders of some of the most corrupt governments of the world are more dignified and elevated just because they walk into an assembly last and the national anthem is played?!! ) dignified and elevated hardly go together with corruption do they?

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                              and another thing, how can you claim that leaders of some of the most corrupt governments of the world are more dignified and elevated just because they walk into an assembly last and the national anthem is played?!! ) dignified and elevated hardly go together with corruption do they?

                              Hear, hear!

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                                Mazhar
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                                but what is the POINT of this thread?

                                When your current president is dead and the next one comes they will do the same for him too

                                King is dead, long live the king. This is what English people say.

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                                  King is dead, long live the king. This is what English people say.

                                  Not in my lifetime they don't. This is for one king dying and a NEW king replacing him

                                  The king is dead = our king has died
                                  long life the king= a new king is crowned, in this instance a Queen was crowned

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    Not in my lifetime they don't. This is for one king dying and a NEW king replacing him

                                    The king is dead = our king has died
                                    long life the king= a new king is crowned, in this instance a Queen was crowned

                                    There are in some countries graves/memorials of unknown soldiers who are considered and respected as heroes of that nation. Dignatories of other countries pay visit, lay wreaths, stand in silence as gesture of respect and praise for the dead unknown soldier while the accompanying uniform personnel salute the grave. And they record words in a book praising and paying tributes to the dead soldier whose name is not even known. Are they worshipping a dead soldier? Is that dead person listening and seeing their praises, words of respect and salutations? Are they fools who do this? What you have to say about this?

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                                      There are in some countries graves/memorials of unknown soldiers who are considered and respected as heroes of that nation. Dignatories of other countries pay visit, lay wreaths, stand in silence as gesture of respect and praise for the dead unknown soldier while the accompanying uniform personnel salute the grave. And they record words in a book praising and paying tributes to the dead soldier whose name is not even known. Are they worshipping a dead soldier? Is that dead person listening and seeing their praises, words of respect and salutations? Are they fools who do this? What you have to say about this?

                                      What would you like me to say about this? ??? Get to the point Mazhar, what does this have to do with kings and corrupt government leaders and what does any of this have to do with your topic title?

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                                        Just few undeniable realities and ground facts which most of the sensible people know and accept.

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                                          Just few undeniable realities and ground facts which most of the sensible people know and accept.

                                          ??? what is sensible in elevating and praising and paying tribute and respect to a corrupt President? We must have a very different idea of 'sensible'

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