Hoors?!?
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Salaam JM
I take "7uur" as adjective, plural of "a7war". An adjective can be followed by a noun if it is definite (as I mentioned above a delayed subject). Since 3een is indefinite, I can only see it as another adjective, both describing something (maybe the gardens?!! "jannaat"
OK, but why do you not take "7uur" as a noun ?
Anyway, thanks for your responses, it was interesting.
A question I would like to ask you Why have you never written an article for FM ?
Peace
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Salaam JM
Because I know it's plural. The singular is an adjective. The noun is "7awar" whitness; "purity".
A question I would like to ask you Why have you never written an article for FM ?
I am a teacher talk a lot, write a little, and a translator rewrite what others wrote...in a different language ;D.
But who knows...
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OK, but why do you not take "7uur" as a noun ?
Because I know it's plural. The singular is an adjective. The noun is "7awar" whitness; "purity".
Peace Samia
I am sorry, but I don?t get it.
Here is the comment of Asad
The noun hur - rendered by me as "companions pure" - is a plural of both ahwar (masc.) and hawra (fem.), either of which describes "a person distinguished by hawar", which latter term primarily denotes "intense whiteness of the eyeballs and lustrous black of the iris" (Qamus). In a more general sense, hawar signifies simply "whiteness" (Asas) or, as a moral qualification, "purity" (cf. Tabari, Razi and Ibn Kathir in their explanations of the term hawariyyun in 352).
Hence, the compound expression hurin signifies, approximately, "pure beings , most beautiful of eye" (which latter is the meaning of in, the plural of ayan).
http//www.islamawakened.com/Quran/56/22/default.htmSo, according to him,
- hur is a noun, it is a plural of another noun ahwar / hawra
- in is a noun too, plural of ayan (eye / spring)
What do you think of that ?
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The noun hur - rendered by me as "companions pure" - is a plural of both ahwar (masc.) and hawra (fem.), either of which describes "a person distinguished by hawar", which latter term primarily denotes "intense whiteness of the eyeballs and lustrous black of the iris" (Qamus). In a more general sense, hawar signifies simply "whiteness" (Asas) or, as a moral qualification, "purity" (cf. Tabari, Razi and Ibn Kathir in their explanations of the term hawariyyun in 352).
Hence, the compound expression hurin signifies, approximately, "pure beings , most beautiful of eye" (which latter is the meaning of in, the plural of ayan).
http//www.islamawakened.com/Quran/56/22/default.htmSo, according to him,
- hur is a noun, it is a plural of another noun ahwar / hawra
- in is a noun too, plural of ayan (eye / spring)
What do you think of that ?
Salaam JM
I think you allude to his expression
The noun hur - rendered by me as "companions pure"
. This could be just an error, or maybe he is thinking in Arabic, because adjectives are not a class of their own in Arabic, but are classified as "nouns". The second part of his statement "compabions pure" show he understands it as an adjective. It is like saying "a white" meaning " a white person". Hawar is the noun.As for 3een, the pattern shows that it is not the plural pf 3ain (either meaning). Their plural is 3uyuun, a3yun (only for eyes). Another plural of this pattern is the pattern of af3aal a3yaan, which means prominent people as in Majlisul a3yaan Senate (for example). 3een sounds like the plural of words of the pattern "af3al", mainly for colours. Example abyad beed. So t might be the plural of a3yan.
Maybe 3een is the correct plural for "prominent people". We do not have the singular of a3yaan . Perhaps it is a3yan , and that the plural a3yaan is wrong and it shoul be 3een!!
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Peace Samia,
More than 3 years later, is there something new in your understanding ? -
Way Finder
Do you happen to read a book titled ...?
Have you happen to read the thread, (you brought back some old memories), I think JM is fellow who does his home work before posting.
Posted on February 01, 2007, 121635 PM
Posted by tanveermd
tanveermdAramaic and Nabataean are not an ancestor to Classical Arabic. Arabic descended from Safaitic. The Safaitic language is very similar to other North Arabian dialects such as Thamudic and Lihyanite. Once again, Arabic and all those languages are in the Southern Semitic branch (which includes Southern Arabic, Northern Arabic, and Ethiopic). This is a different class of languages than Aramaic and Nabataean, which are part of the Western Semitic branch.
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Way Finder
Have you happen to read the thread, (you brought back some old memories), I think JM is fellow who does his home work before posting.Posted on February 01, 2007, 121635 PM
Posted by tanveermd
tanveermdPeace,
I was talking about 1 particular book... did he read it? I think it is better for him to reply...
However, let me inform you that you are right and I did not read the thread...except a few post... this is why I just asked a straight forward question rather than bringing a topic for discussion...
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Has anyone here actually read this book? If so, does it use word cross-referencing within Al Quran? From the excerpts I have seen it was poor.
I read part of it... and you are right about the cross referencing... the author just tries to reconvert the arabic back to syro-aramaic in order to explain some passages... I tend to think he is right at times... regarding Hoors... he says that it means 'grapes'... does not mean that i accept it, but still an avenue to explore.. it is an interesting read... but it is bulky. There are many many terms in Quran borrowed directly from the other languages and written in arabic... such as the proper names for example... one cannot get the true meaning behind the name itself from the arabic... such as Isa... has to switch back to the syro-aramaic... just an example.
