9/11 Burning Of Quran Must Go On!
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george
Typical Hadith follower reply to dismiss the evidence I provided in the link as " anti-islamic websites" even though the site IS Islamic becuase it exposes your shirk and that you are not following the HADITH OF ALLAH, but the man made fabricated hadiths, of Abu, Hurraira, Muslim, Bukhari etc.Yet confirming again that there is only a slight difference between Wahabis and Quranists.
rotfl rotfl
How do you know that I am following Fabricated Hadith? How do you know those Hadith are fabricated, since you have not verified them, just copied it from anti Islamic sites.
Such are the Signs of Allah, which We rehearse to thee in Truth; then in what HADITH will they believe after Allah and His Signs? 45.6
Whoevers hadith they are, they are not hadith of Allah
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george
Yet confirming again that there is only a slight difference between Wahabis and Quranists.
Yet bringing forward allegations before verifying them, Do you know what is meaning of Shirk? How do I committed shirk?
How do you know that I am following Fabricated Hadith? How do you know those Hadith are fabricated, since you have not verified them, just copied it from anti Islamic sites.
Yet proving that you do not understand an iota of what you post, you do not read what others say? The link you mentioned was about the word "Hadith" did you also copied these "Hadiths" from that site?Yet an another allegation without verifying.
Yet again confirming that you are an hadith follower by saying that link I provided was from an "anti-islamic" website becuase it slags off hadith, when you have'nt provided any proof to back up your claims.
Shirk=Ascribing partners to GOD/mentioning muhammeds or Jesus's name alongside GODS name in prayer/Idol Whorship/Following another source of guidence (hadith) not authorised by GOD.
If you do any of that YOU are commiting shirk.
Also well duh... of course it was about the word hadith as it is shown in the arabic version of the Quran and the fact that allmost everytime it is mentioned in the Quran it is condemend and yet proving that you do not understand an iota of what YOU post.The is a slightly bigger difference to wahabbis and "Quranists"
Wahabis follow fabricated hadith which contradicts the Quran and itself.
"Quranists" only follow the Quran.george
it means, speech/ report/ which is new from amongst thingsYou left out narration.
george
hmmmm, I repeat it again without knowing Arabic you cannot get the correct meaning of any "Hadith" we have seen that in the case of Quran.I repeat again you do not have to Arabic to understand the Quran otherwise why are there Arabic speaking Islamic scholars who claim that to "you need the hadith to explain the Quran" even though they speak the same Arabic that the Quran was originally written in ???
george
Muhammad Ali Hoonoti
The Quran is always fully articulate in vocabulary and style. Everything in the Quran is the exact saying of Allah. The Hadith is different in punctuality of language, because some Hadiths one related by the companions of the Prophet (SAAWS), they could have a different synonym or a different additional or omitted conjunction or article. This is what is called in the Hadith terminology "narration by meaning".By G.F HADDAD
The problem here is the misconception about the meaning. Even the plainest statement can become completely incoherent on the tongue of a retarded person or a pathological liar. The hadith here uses two figures of speech the first is hyperbole (mubalagha) meaning exaggeration in the words ?even a prudent, sensible man might be led astray by some of you? i.e. a fortiori an ordinary man. The second figure is synechdoche (majaz mursal) consisting in using the whole for the part intelligence to mean the specific legal testimony of a woman, and religion to mean the prayer and fast at the time of menses.
In the full version of the hadith the Prophet also orders the women to ask forgiveness and desist from frequently cursing their husbands. All this was spoken at a time of(1) the impending departure of the latter on jihad
(2) the impending departure of the Prophet from this world and
(3) the fact that ?Cursing the believer is like killing him.?The anti Islamic sites will always chose what suites them and half brains will follow them.
And only half brains would call an Islamic website which slags off hadith but praises the Quran as anti-islamic without verifying it.
Prove it's an anti-islamic website then if youre going to accuse it of being such as website???.
Yet an another allegation without verifying.
Karim
"Assuredly, women are the twin halves of men." (Sahih reported by Abu-Dawud (RA) The Prophet of Islam (peace be upon him) said, He said, ?Yes, for women are the twin halves of men.? (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 113; Ahmad, 25663. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi)All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any
superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white
except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims
constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it
was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves. (Hafiz Ibn Hibban reported in al-Sahih
(11/203/#4862) via his isnad, from Fadalah ibn `Ubayd (Allah be pleased with him)Karim
May I add here that the translation of this Hadith as quoted by you is wrong, because it splits the relevant sentence and gives the Prophet's words in such a way that they appear to make a statement of fact. This is wrong, as I have explained.As for the other part, a full translation of it goes as follows ??I have seen hell and I have never seen any thing more horrific than what I saw then. I also saw that the majority of its dwellers are women. ? They asked ?On what grounds, Messenger of God? He said ?By their denial.? They said ?Their denial of God?? He answered ?No. Their denial of their spouses and their denial of kindness. You may be kind to one of them all the time, but when she finds fault with you she says I have never received any kindness from you. ??
Where is the highlighted part mentioned in the Quran???
You only provided "evidence" of the translations of the hadiths that I posted for one of them in "the way that you read them" and even that "evidence" is based on "someone elses" translation, which was the same thing you were accusing me of.
The hadith that should be the most authentic is the hadith about Muhammad's
speech in Hujjat al-Wada (The Farewell Sermon) in which reportedly tens of
thousands of his companions listened. The last statement of this sermon is
reported in three different versionsI am leaving you the Quran and my sunna; you should follow both.
(Muwatta 46/3).
463I am leaving you the Quran and my relatives; you should follow both.
(Muslim 44/4/2408; Ibn Hanbal 4/366; Darimi 23/1/3319).I am leaving you the Quran; you should follow it. (Muslim 15/19/1218;
Ibn Majah 25/84/3074; Abu Dawud 11/56/1905)Now who's translation of these contradictory hadiths should we follow???
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george
I repeat again you do not have to Arabic to understand the Quran..
Your this statement alone depicts that you are on the journey on which i WAS some ten years ago, no problem take your time brother, one day you will reach the truth.
tens of thousands listened and then reported only in three different versions? are you praising or criticizing?
george
I am leaving you the Quran; you should follow it. (Muslim 15/19/1218;
Ibn Majah 25/84/3074; Abu Dawud 11/56/1905)
Now who's translation of these contradictory hadiths should we follow???first of all they are not contradictory, second we should follow if there is any need to follow the one that tallies with Quran.
george
Shirk=Ascribing partners to GOD/mentioning muhammeds or Jesus's name alongside GODS name in prayer/Idol Whorship/Following another source of guidence (hadith) not authorised by GOD.
Some one who cannot mention the name of Prophets of Allah with respect and calls him self Quranist, there must be something definitely wrong.
You rightly do not know the meaning of Shirk as you do not know the meaning of Hadith.
Shirk (Arabic ‎ means to consider anyone god other than the God, Allah, and if you have any proof for that than you are welcome, otherwise just stop propagating the anti-Islamic sites! -
george
Your this statement alone depicts that you are on the journey on which i WAS some ten years ago, no problem take your time brother, one day you will reach the truth.I already have, it's not my problem if you don't want to accept the truth
tens of thousands listened and then reported only in three different versions? are you praising or criticizing?
What do you think
How can tens of thousands of people all listen to the exact same words of the exact same last sermon and yet there be three different versions to it???george
first of all they are not contradictory, second we should follow if there is any need to follow the one that tallies with Quran.They are if there are THREE different versions of the SAME sermon on the mount, which I noticed that you only quoted from one of them and conveniently left out the other two laugh to pathetically make it look like they are not contradictory and I also noticed that you pick the one which is says " I am leaving you the Quran; you should follow it" which you yourself says "taillies with the Quran" then you have basically saying both Quran and the hadith says that we are only meant to follow the Quran and nothing else.
Thanks for proving my point that your an hadith follower who does'nt even follow his own hadith  
george
Some one who cannot mention the name of Prophets of Allah with respect and calls him self Quranist, there must be something definitely wrong.I never said there was anything wrong with mentioning the of Prophets of Allah, I said it was shirk to mention their names alongside GOD's as in prayer which ascribing partners with GOD as in shirk.
You rightly do not know the meaning of Shirk as you do not know the meaning of Hadith.
Shirk (Arabic ‎ means to consider anyone god other than the God, Allah, and if you have any proof for that than you are welcome, otherwise just stop propagating the anti-Islamic sites!And if you have any proof that I am propagating "anti-islamic" websites (which i have asked you to do a few times now and yet not done so) or you can give me proof that those three different versions of the hadith for the prophets last sermon are not contradictory, or you can give me proof that those crazyass hadiths which I first posted are the wrong transilations and you can give me proof of the correct transilations in "the way you read them", or you can give me proof that you can't understand the Quran without learning arabic even though arabic speaking scholars say they need to use the hadith to understand it even though the Quran is in arabic, then feel free otherwise all you have proved is that you have'nt got a clue what youre chatting about. laugh
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What do you think
How can tens of thousands of people all listen to the exact same words of the exact same last sermon and yet there be three different versions to it???I don't understand why many hadith followers don't apply the same rule of logic in contradictions to hadiths but are happy to use it to debunk other 'holy' books. Just shows how religion can make people blind and brainwashed. The quran is the truth and the truth shall set you free..... peace
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george
or you can give me proof that those crazyass hadiths which I first posted are the wrong transilations and you can give me proof of the correct transilations in "the way you read them
george
You only provided "evidence" of the translations of the hadiths that I posted for one of them in "the way that you read them" and even that "evidence" is based on "someone elses" translation, which was the same thing you were accusing me of.
I repeat again you do not have to Arabic to understand the Quran...
Just read your above three quotes and you will know how confused a person you are, it is not only you it is every so called Quranist.
george
Blah blah...Thanks for proving my point that your an hadith follower who does'nt even follow his own hadith...
Rajah
..second we should follow if there is any need to follow the one that tallies with Quran.
george
or you can give me proof that those three different versions of the hadith for the prophets last sermon are not contradictory,
Please eat bread.
Please take Milk with bread.
Please eat bread with fried egg.george
I said it was shirk to mention their names alongside GOD's as in prayer which ascribing partners with GOD as in shirk.
Rajah
Shirk (Arabic ‎ means to consider anyone god other than the God, Allah, and if you have any proof for that than you are welcome, otherwise just stop propagating the anti-Islamic sites!
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RE
Please eat bread.
Please take Milk with bread.
Please eat bread with fried egg.Ok, do I eat the bread, or milk with bread or bread with fried egg or bread, milk and fried egg? confused
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george
Just read your above three quotes and you will know how confused a person you are, it is not only you it is every so called Quranist.Yeah I thought you could'nt answer my questions but instead post quotes if things I said in previous posts and accuse me of being confused ) that is so like you and every other hadith following so-called muslim.
If I'm so "confused" as you say about "not needing to know arabic to understand the Quran" then what is is the point of having translations of the Quran and how come hadith followers like who speak understand arabic but yet can't understand the Quran on it's own (even though it's) in arabic with using the hadith ???But just like every hadith follower you won't answer the questions but instead start calling people "confused" just for asking them even though YOU cant give a proper answer. )
Shirk (Arabic ‎ means to consider anyone god other than the God, Allah, and if you have any proof for that than you are welcome, otherwise just stop propagating the anti-Islamic sites
I am still waiting for you to prove that .....oh I forgot you can't can you.
Please eat bread.
Please take Milk with bread.
Please eat bread with fried egg.Rajah
Oh my GOD rotfl rotfl rotfl
I ask for proof that those three versions of the prophets sermon on the mount speech are NOT contradictory and you start chatting some stupid crap about Milk, Eggs and Bread??? rotfl rotfl rotflAnd you call me "confused" laugh laugh laugh
Now we definately know that you don't know what the f*** you are chatting about.
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RE
Please eat bread.
Please take Milk with bread.
Please eat bread with fried egg.Ok, do I eat the bread, or milk with bread or bread with fried egg or bread, milk and fried egg? confused
to be on the safe side, eat the bread and throw away the milk and the egg. peace
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You rightly do not know the meaning of Shirk as you do not know the meaning of Hadith.
Quote from the translation of the Quran which was downloaded from Free-Minds.org (one of those websites which you stupidly call anti-islamic yeah
The Quran does not use the word "hadith" negatively in a haphazard manner. The language of the
Quran and its choice of words are very precise. God knew that the idol worshipers would call those
fabrications "hadith." It is interesting that they did not call their lies "aqwal = sayings," "akhbar =
narrations," "hikam = aphorisms," "athaar = teaching/tradition" or any other word from the rich
Arabic language. They unwittingly termed their inventions "hadith" (narrative, discourse, story, or
recent event). This is a fulfillment of the Quranic projection. Whenever the Quran uses hadith for
other than the Quran, it attaches a negative meaning to it. Since the followers of the fabricated
narrations and hearsays are not translating the name of those fabrications into English or other
languages, to expose the true nature of their teachings, and to unveil the clear Quranic connection, we
will also keep the word hadith untranslated"This is not a fabricated hadith. It is a confirmation of previous scriptures, detailing
everything, and a guide and mercy for those who appreciate (12111)."The followers of fabricated hadiths claim that the Quran is not sufficiently detailed! They thus reject
God's repeated assertion that the Quran is "complete, perfect, and sufficiently detailed" (619,38,114),
and thus justify the creation of volumes of hadith, and a library full of contradictory teachings that are
supposed to complete the Quran. By reflecting on 12111 above, one can see God's answer to those
fabricators and their followers. God informs us that we do not need fabricated hadith; that the Quran
as a sufficiently detailed guide, is all we need. The Quran is the only "ahsan al-hadith" (best
statement) to be followed (3923).In 12111, God the Most Wise, rejects both the "hadith" and the basic excuse for accepting it as a
source of Islam. No excuse is accepted from the followers of hadith in this world, nor on the Day of
Judgment. God asks them"In which hadith, besides God and His revelations do they acknowledge?" (456)
They reply, "We believe in Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmizi, Ibn Hanbal, Kafi, Nahjul Balaga, and more
besides God's revelations." God challenges the idol worshipers"Let them produce a hadith like this, if they are truthful" (5234).
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Ayisha
to be on the safe side, eat the bread and throw away the milk and the egg.
Yes, you can do it, you are free to chose any one is.
And hope some confused minds would have understood that these statements are not contradictory. In fact these statements are from Quran, but it is no use to explain it to an average mind like that of george or his alike.Al-Kitab is Quran , Al-Hikmah is Sunnah and Muhammad peace is upon him is asking you to use them after his death, he no where is saying that you will be expelled from Islam or become a NOn Muslim for not using the both, in these particular Hadith.
This last sermon speech reported perfectly matches with Quranic Ayats.
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Ayisha
Yes, you can do it, you are free to chose any one is.
And hope some confused minds would have understood that these statements are not contradictory. In fact these statements are from Quran, but it is no use to explain it to an average mind like that of george or his alike.
yes they are contradictory raj and its your average confused mind that cant see it.Al-Kitab is Quran , Al-Hikmah is Sunnah and Muhammad peace is upon him is asking you to use them after his death, he no where is saying that you will be expelled from Islam or become a NOn Muslim for not using the both, in these particular Hadith.
This last sermon speech reported perfectly matches with Quranic Ayats.
No it does not and no hikmah is NOT sunnah and the hadith are NOT related to Quran in any way, or you wouldnt get contradictory ones at all. Muhammed followed Quran he didnt create his own 'sunnah' that was anything different to Quran for us to follow. Muhammed could not see the future, Quran tells you this, so why would you even consider any hadith that tell you otherwise? The rules are set out in Quran, why would you even consider that Muhammed ADDED his own after being warned not to? How can you believe LIES about a prophet of God you claim to love??
The hadith that say 'muhammed said' are lies, he did not say and there is no solid proof that these are not pure fabrications by enemies of the prophet. Allah sent enemies to all prophets dont forget that, and they were within the ummah not outside it. What Muhammed said is in Quran and that is what he left us with to follow as he did. When God said wash your arms to the elbow and your faces and your feet to the ankles he did not leave it to Muhammed to add nose neck mouth and do it all 3 times starting with the right side first, it did not happen, he followed what Allah gave him ONLY. There is nothing in Quran regarding silk and gold for men being haram, your hadith fabricators have made haram what God did not, your believe these and you are believing that Muhammed himself made haram what God did not and he would NEVER have done that. Following hadith shows DISRESPECT to the prophet and to Allah. -
Ayisha
No it does not and no hikmah is NOT sunnah and the hadith are NOT related to Quran in any way, or you wouldnt get contradictory ones at all. Muhammed followed Quran he didnt create his own 'sunnah' that was anything different to Quran for us to follow. Muhammed could not see the future, Quran tells you this, so why would you even consider any hadith that tell you otherwise? The rules are set out in Quran, why would you even consider that Muhammed ADDED his own after being warned not to? How can you believe LIES about a prophet of God you claim to love??
This has been discussed many times in past, and I don't want to start it all over again with, at least you.
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Ayisha
This has been discussed many times in past, and I don't want to start it all over again with, at least you.Did you answer them about why you prefer to follow fabrications about Muhammed rather than what you know for a fact he did say? I doubt that too. This is just another 'I can't answer that question as I am a blind sheep' ploy. Why are you even here?
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george
If I'm so "confused" as you say about "not needing to know arabic to understand the Quran" then what is is the point of having translations of the Quran and how come hadith followers like who speak understand arabic but yet can't understand the Quran on it's own (even though it's) in arabic with using the hadith
Yes brother you are too confused! What kind of argument you are trying to make? it does not make any sense at all.
If there is translation available for Quran , does that means we should not try to study the actual source of it? or if any one cannot understand Quran even after knowing Arabic, we shall not try? your logic is just childish and you behave like one.Why? When one reads a translation of Al Quran, they are actually reading the translator's interpretation of the original Arabic. Thus, mistakes are to be expected. A translation will have the translator's own thoughts/experiences/education/bias/imperfections. By listing the possible meanings of the roots with all of their occurrences & comments on grammar, we allow you to study the meanings and usage for yourself. We hope this project will aid the study of students of the scripture. studyquran.co.uk
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Ayisha
Yes, you can do it, you are free to chose any one is.
And hope some confused minds would have understood that these statements are not contradictory. In fact these statements are from Quran, but it is no use to explain it to an average mind like that of george or his alike.Chapter and verse then.......but i spose it's useless trying to get an idiotic hadith follower like raaajah to answer your questions or to provide proof of what he says. hmm
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george
Yes brother you are too confused! What kind of argument you are trying to make? it does not make any sense at all.
If there is translation available for Quran , does that means we should not try to study the actual source of it? or if any one cannot understand Quran even after knowing Arabic, we shall not try? your logic is just childish and you behave like one.Why? When one reads a translation of Al Quran, they are actually reading the translator's interpretation of the original Arabic. Thus, mistakes are to be expected. A translation will have the translator's own thoughts/experiences/education/bias/imperfections. By listing the possible meanings of the roots with all of their occurrences & comments on grammar, we allow you to study the meanings and usage for yourself. We hope this project will aid the study of students of the scripture. studyquran.co.uk
Where did I say that we should not try to study the actual source of the Quran.
I said you do not have to learn arabic to understand that the Quran is the word of GOD and THAT i am NOT confused about.
Is'nt it by reading translations of the Quran that all non-arabic speaking peoples first learn and as a result dicide that it is the truth and convert to Islam???
The whole point of having translations of the Quran is to give non-arabic speaking people a chance to read the word of GOD in their own languange and if the decide to convert then latter on if they wish they can decide to learn the original arabic, but not knowing arabic DOES NOT stop a sincere believer in understanding the Quran in his or her own language.At any rate I have already provided evidence of hadith being condemn from the actuall arabic source and all you did was bitch, whine and moan about me "propogating anti-islamic websites" which i have told you repeatedly to provide proof off and yet STILL have'nt.
You supposedly know arabic offhead bet yet you like all the other small minded hadith followers cannot understand the Quran on it's OWN even though it's in the original arabic... now that stupidness does'nt make any sense.
By the way it's really "adult" of you not answer peoples questions all becuase you don't like them or can't prove youre idiotic claims.Grow up.
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Ayisha
Yes, you can do it, you are free to chose any one is.
And hope some confused minds would have understood that these statements are not contradictory. In fact these statements are from Quran, but it is no use to explain it to an average mind like that of george or his alike.oh I missed that one, thanks George. So where are these statements in Quran Raj, ALL of them, as in these statements (pl) please. I'm sure that's one question you should be able to answer surely!
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george
Yes brother you are too confused! What kind of argument you are trying to make? it does not make any sense at all.
If there is translation available for Quran , does that means we should not try to study the actual source of it? or if any one cannot understand Quran even after knowing Arabic, we shall not try? your logic is just childish and you behave like one.Childish is name calling when you are asked a question based on what you have claimed and you cannot answer it.
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george
Chapter and verse then
"Our Lord! send among them an Apostle of their own, who shall rehearse Your signs to them and instruct them in the Holy Qur'an (al-Kitab) and wisdom (Hikmah), and sanctify them (yuzakeehim), for You are the Exalted in Might, the Wise."
george
Childish is name calling when you are asked a question based on what you have claimed and you cannot answer it.
Quite funny!
george
an idiotic hadith follower like raaajah
By the way it's really "adult" of you not answer peoples questions all becuase you don't like them or can't prove youre idiotic claims.Grow up.