Creation of ADAM according to the quran
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selam
loxbox13, your view seems to be very christianized...
jesus, virgin births and all.... i know many quranic translations say that but it's most likely a mistranslation,
as there is no reason for God to be sending us a message implying jesus was born of a virgin and such...
in fact it's telling the opposite, as 'adam' refers to mankind in general, and jesus's creation was like that of 'adam' (or rest of mankind) as in born regularly from male and female... the verse is correcting hte view of christians and all who thought jesus was conceived as some kind of a miracle...there are many historical figures who share jesus's story, horus, mithra, atis.... many others, virgin birth, performed miracles and such... same story different person...
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First you guys said that jesus died and he's not coming back, it took me time but i swallowed it , for the quran said so, now u saying he wasn't born of a virgin? i read it in the quran, or there's another explanation?
than why he was a sign to mankind?
is there an explanation of the birth of jesus from the quran?
what about his miracles? didn't they happened too? Explain PLZ -
There is discussion here on whether Jesus was born to a virgin or not. The minority of people here think he was not. Most think he was, including myself.
In terms of the "miraculous" nature, there is some weighting that Mary was hermaphrodite/intersex. This is mainly based on
So when she delivered she said "My Lord, I have delivered a female," and God is fully aware of what she delivered, "And the male is not like the female, and I have named her Mary, and I seek refuge for her and her progeny with You from the outcast devil."
Also Mary, the daughter of Imran, who maintained her chastity. So We blew into him/it (fee hi) from Our Spirit, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His Scripture; and she was of those who were dutiful.
And the one who protected her chastity, so We blew into her (fee ha) from Our Spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds.
hi = him/it
ha = herIt would still have required a very unique event, but Mary being hermaphrodite/intersex would explain it somewhat. This is my current view.
As with most topics, it has been discussed on the forum before, e.g.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8422.0
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8408.0Please see the search function at the top.
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can you please think of something, why was jesus sent as a messenger of allah as messenger for the jews , in the same time allah is telling us that he is a sign to mankind, what kind of sign? anything ever thaugt of it ?
what is so important about jesus that makes him a sign to mankind but only a messenger to the jews? ofcourse his birth
one verse in the quran is making a similitude between jesus and Adam, the verse says just like ADAM we created him from dust and said to him be and he is, some verses say that we all created from dust even though i know i was created from semen , ofcourse allah knows that we will never know how adam was created without his help,
one verse allah said to the angels i'm creating a 'khalifa' , litteral translation from the arabic to english " a successor"
a successor to whom?
the angels said how will u create the one who will shed blood and do mischief .....
we all know that older kind of men , homosapiens, kromagnons and all finished themselves by killing each other
could it be that ADAM was created of a virgin? descendant of homosapiens ?
one verse says i created you from one NAFSS ( soul in feminine) and created from it it's pair "zawdjaha" in masculine
could it be that adam was a son of a virgin that after when they were the only people on earth left had sex? the tree that adam ate from? remember even the snake is a masculine symbol of man sex and the appele is a symbol for femele sex?
u might think i'm sick thinking that adam and eve were mother and son in the same time, but the idea striked my head when i seen my catt on his mother and now they're living like a couple
well it might be just philosophy in my head but can you please tell me if i'm wrong, point to me that i am wrong by the quran, and scienceremember , khalaknakoum min nafssin wahida, wa khalaqna mina zawdjaha
we created u from 1 single soul( ia a feminine gender)
and we created from her her pair (zawdjaha wich is masculine)and while reading this, ignore what the old testament says, remember they always this man is superior so he's created first, and hadith copied from them , i want you to ponder on it with the quran only , and science ofcourse
Peace,
Respect.Interesting subject you opened and I'm glad I'm here, Thank God.
These questions should be researched and of course one should always not only rely on God but seek His help and ask Him to increase us in knowledge.Maybe you should put all theories/options on paper and logically eliminate those that make no sense at all. Arrange them in the order as they make the most sense. Start with the one that makes 100% sense and go towards 0.
God bless you.
Peace. sun
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one other thing, why allah said in general we created you from clay, and there's a weird verse that says 'hamain samoun' black mud , maybe allah is telling us the first man was from africa, maybe africans are right when they thing that man came from africa, i always thaught it was just arrogance from them to think like this, but now reading it from the quran, why not?
one thing is for sure, ADAM was a sucessor to other beigns , the quran said so, and these been did to much killing and mischief so they finished each other, the quran say so, science tells us about homosapiens and cromadnon and all kinds of humanoids, and the quran tels us " wa khalagnakoum atwara' meaning we created u in stage or periods , us in a plurial, not us as individuals, us as mankind not as singles humans, can someone help please -
Peace Wakas,
Also Mary, the daughter of Imran, who maintained her chastity. So We blew into him/it (fee hi) from Our Spirit, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His Scripture; and she was of those who were dutiful.
And the one who protected her chastity, so We blew into her (fee ha) from Our Spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds.
hi = him/it
ha = her2191 farjah (her) so We breathed fanafakhn in her fh from our spirit.
6612 farjah (her) so We breathed fanafakhn in him fhi from our spirit.
Could be simply an alif; need to go by context and interested to see how it's written in older Qur?ans.
The Oldest Quranic Manuscripts
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Peace All
I have two questions here.
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How does a human hermaphrodite impregnate himself/herself? I only ask this because I am not familiar with the intrcacies of this subject. Is there any evidence of this happening in humans?
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In 16101, we find that God will not have a son if He has no consort. If God will not have a son without a consort, surely a much lesser being as Mary will not.
However, if the hermaphrodite theory is plausible, it opens up some possibilties. I, however feel that it is more likely that the message brought by the malaika was that she should remove herself from the seclusion of the church and go out, live a normal life where she would find a mate, get married and have a child through the natural processes that God has put into place.
Imraan
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peace Imraan,
AFAIK a verified virgin birth has never been documented. The point of the hermaphrodite/intersex theory is that the genetic information to create a male baby is there.
Normal scenario
The male gametes or sperm cells in humans and other mammals are heterogametic and contain one of two types of sex chromosomes. They are either X or Y. The female gametes or eggs however, contain only the X sex chromosome and are homogametic. The sperm cell determines the sex of an individual in this case. If a sperm cell containing an X chromosome fertilizes an egg, the resulting zygote will be XX or female. If the sperm cell contains a Y chromosome, then the resulting zygote will be XY or male.
