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I tell you the truth brother saudi flag, i know myself, if the uqran was transmitted the same ways as hadith, than all islam is a joke; if i believe in the quran as transmitted through someone like bukhari and ibnkathir, than mohamed the messneger of allah is a big liar and all what they said about him in the hadith is true, brother, i believe you because you sound like an arab who knows the history about islam, if it's the case, please bring more evidence, i will go free from ALLAH, from mohamed, because i honestly don't believe in pedophiles and in killers who cutoff the hands and feets from the who killed his sheperd after , takin out their eyes ith molten isron ??? Hell NO , mohamed is not a prophet after all, probably he got the quran from some syrians like they use to say, because according to hadith, mohamed is sick, maybe they're no allah after all, like rashad khalfa fooled us, bukhari fooled us, now i realise that mohamed fooled us in the 1st place, there's no jesus or mohamed, there's only one life, live and that's it, all mother.... religions are .... !!!!
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| The earliest complete Quraan manuscripts are dated to not earlier than 100 years after the death of the Prophet
You have no choice but to accept this fact. I gave the evidence and quoted even the Western historians and scholars. My challenge to you is simple, show me a single manuscript of the Quraan (does not even have to be a complete manuscript, it can even be a fragment or portion of the text) which can be dated to the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad
ALLAH is making fun of us , wasting our time, hadith as authentic as the quran, than ISLAM is a big lie, i tried christianity, buddhism , islam, all manmade ciaooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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All I can say to loxbox13 is, May Allaah guide you (ameen)
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What I'm saying is that Allaah preserved His Word through the effort of men. Did Allaah drop the Quraan with all its Surahs and Ayats arranged in the right order? did it come down from the clouds as a book between two covers?
Or was it revealed upon the tongue of the Messenger ? Was it not compiled during the caliphate of 'Uthmaan , some two or three decades after the passing away of the Prophet?
So the exact same objection you raise against the Hadeeth can also be made about the Quraan. There is a saying, "Don't throw stones at someone's house if your own house is made of glass"
The earliest complete manuscripts we have of the Quraan are in fact found to be compiled at least a century after the Prophet passed away
John Gilchrist states "The oldest manuscripts of the Quran still in existence date from not earlier than about one hundred years after Muhammad's death."
Even the first hadith compilation we have, the Saheefah of Hammaam ibn Munnabih is dated to earlier than that, the mid-first century of the Islaamic calendar. It contains 138 narrations or Hadiths, 98 of which can be found in Sahih al Bukhari and Sahih Muslim!
Peace
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sana'a_manuscripts
This looks like a personal copy and it's older than what the historians you have cited have said. It could even be contemporary to the Prophet's time.
Of the conclusion that we are throwing stones from a glass house, the Hadith are running about 250-300 years after the prophet's death in terms of actual written actualization. That is far more than any estimate for the dating of the Quran and the written actualization I have offered, which clearly gives a solid edge in authenticity to the Quran if we are rating by age. Key word here is "written actualization." I do not know of manuscripts containing the safeehah of hammaam ibn munnabih actually being dated back to 100 years post prophet. That is based on historical accounts. If you relied on that same cocktail of historical accounts concerning the Quran (written down much later than they occurred), you would come to the conclusion that the Quran existed either during the prophets time or at the time of Umar, which is again much earlier than the same contemporary oral accounts of hadiths.
Further, the Quran is much smaller than the hadith so it is theoretically easier to maintain it.
It would be silly to argue that the Quran didn't rely on man made transmission because all Muslims at least believe that the Quran came through the prophet. Yet, the man made process of accumulation that the hadith went through are far more prone to suspicion due to lack of authenticity than the Quran. I think the confusion here is that some think Quran only followers only discount the hadith because of historical uncertainty. In fact, I believe that a nice yet uncertain general story can be made from the hadiths yet the uncertainty of the story we find in the Quran. Hence the appeal to uncertainty as a way of pointing to Quranic superiority.
...I have memorized most of the Quran in Arabic Maseelulah and I'm a Quran only follower. I can recite a lot of verses in English too.
Independent of that though I am shocked at how illiterate concerning the Quran most traditional Muslims actually are. Even people I know who have memorized the Quran do not actually know what it means. This included my self back in the day when I was memorizing the book in Arabic. Don't take this as a generalization because the most intelligent Muslim I know actually memorized the Quran in arabic, but still, we spend our time understanding the verses on this website instead of reciting something we don't understand (which does have its own beauty).
Peace
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Brother Maseehullaah
I can't trust a pedophile, let's say you have a 9 years old sister, and a 51 years old wants to marry her, he tells you he get attracted to her when she was 6 , what would u say tothis person?if someone tell you satan pissed in ones ear because he didn't wake up for fadjr, what do you say to that man ?
if someone marry to 12 wifes whyle the quran say polygamy only with the women with orphans, what do you say to someone who breaks his own rules?
Allah's name i learned from this persone who is a pedophile who wrote the quran , it's not even sure he wrote the quran because it was compiled 100 years after he died, If there is a god and he says we have to use our brains, then it is normel to reject a pedophile and a sick man, who needed to go to a hospital, not playing like a prophet, i read some bukhari and i thaught they were mohamed's enemies, to write about him such a disgusting caracter and life he had, he had no widom at all, i don't know who wrote the quran, but it was the quran that fooled me, it sounds too perfect, but than if it"s in the same level as hadith , than hell to all , if there is a god than he better choose his messengers, because caracter in important in the civilised world, this is 2010 , he better send another one or blame it on us because we don't believe in pedophile criminals, if he wants to send me hell, than he is just like mohamed, making jokes of us, honestly, at first I didn't like you , for I really wanted to follow islam through the quran since it made sense to me, but then why would i fall for another person after falling for the trick of the church with jesus, whom i don't even know he existed
The best people on earth are athists, they go only what makes sense, but i'm disapointed a bit, because for a while i really believed in Allah and his messenger , anywa, don't worry about it
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Peace Lox,
I've only read your last post and what I've taken out of it is that you have good motivations. As long as you are truly driven to be Good, I believe you can read whatever damn scripture you please. -
agreed. look at the content in quran. if it guides u like it guides me then follow it. if u feel it doesnt then dont. but when u pray and ask God to be guided with a pure heart, be sure u will be guided. u just need to be sure of wat ur heart tells u is the truth. dont let people manipulate you out of wat u believe is true. if i base my knowledge of th eprophet frm hadith, then i wud never think of him as a good man, but fortunately i have an accurate account of his character in the quran.
stick to wat ur instincts are telling you, but pray for guidance, patience and steadfastness. uv made some very good posts onthis forum and u seem like a person trying to honestly search fr the truth. be sure that God will guide u. if u dont feel like depending on any scripture, then dont, just pray to God fr guidance and He will answer u.peace. i will be praying fr you too.
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agreed. look at the content in quran. if it guides u like it guides me then follow it. if u feel it doesnt then dont. but when u pray and ask God to be guided with a pure heart, be sure u will be guided. u just need to be sure of wat ur heart tells u is the truth. dont let people manipulate you out of wat u believe is true. if i base my knowledge of th eprophet frm hadith, then i wud never think of him as a good man, but fortunately i have an accurate account of his character in the quran.
stick to wat ur instincts are telling you, but pray for guidance, patience and steadfastness. uv made some very good posts onthis forum and u seem like a person trying to honestly search fr the truth. be sure that God will guide u. if u dont feel like depending on any scripture, then dont, just pray to God fr guidance and He will answer u.peace. i will be praying fr you too.
Good advice for everybody...
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Some more first century Quran inscriptions with the first one being 29 AH in this one. Its in Cyprus too so imagine how long it took the Arabs to take the Quran inscription there.
Stunningly enough, its the surah that most Muslims read during salat and it's on a grave.
Surah 112
Translation Say God the one, God the eternal, He did not beget and was not begotten. And there is none like unto Himhttp//www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/earlyquran.html
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I believe in all authentic ahadeeth which have no doubt in it at all.
I swear by Allaah that each and every authentic hadeeth which is proven to be the words of the Prophet is evidence, as Allaah Himself says to take witnesses as evidence.
The authentic ahadeeth are narrated by many witnesses with unbroken chain of narrators, and fulfills the criterion of Allaah to investigate and verify any news that comes to us with witnesses
Even if you study the history of the compilation of the Quraan, you see that it was also compiled during the caliphate of the third Khaleefah, 'Uthmaan ibn Affaan , who had each and every single verse of the Quraan testified to by witnesses.
Besides Qur'an then simply post one authentic hadeeth which is proven and swear by God upon your soul it is true -- no doubt in it.
Even the first hadith compilation we have, the Saheefah of Hammaam ibn Munnabih is dated to earlier than that, the mid-first century of the Islaamic calendar. It contains 138 narrations or Hadiths, 98 of which can be found in Sahih al Bukhari and Sahih Muslim!
Hammam ibn Munabbih supposed death 132 AH/750 CE or 100 years later.
Then you read his hadith especially #60 Children of Israel bathing naked and the stone stealing clothes?
"My clothes, O' Stone! My clothes, O' Stone!
There is no such promise in the Quraan to protect the Quraan.
Rather Allaah says
Verily, We have sent down the Reminder, and verily, We shall guard it.
Adh-Dhikr (the Reminder) is both the Quraan and the Sunnah, whatever Allaah has sent down to the Messenger , and Allaah has promised to protect and guard it.
Now question is, if Allaah will only protect the Quraan from corruption, why He didn't mention QURAAN, instead He mentioned the DHIKR?
Qur'an (i.e. The Book, The Reminder) is for people who think, have basic logic to cross-reference, and see clearly...
Srat Fuilat (Explained in Detail)
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Indeed those who distortin Our Verses not hidden from Us;
so, is who is cast in the Fire better or who comes secure Day (of) Resurrection?
Do what you will. Indeed, He of what you do All-Seer.4141
Indeed those who disbelieve in The Reminder (bil-dhik'ri) when it comes to them.
And indeed, it (is) surely a Book (lakitbun) mighty.4142
Not comes to it the falsehood from before it and not from behind it.
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Besides Qur'an then simply post one authentic hadeeth which is proven and swear by God upon your soul it is true -- no doubt in it.
The Prophet said
"Whoever lies upon me intentionally, then let him take his seat in the fire"
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The Prophet said
"Whoever lies upon me intentionally, then let him take his seat in the fire"
I just opened my Qur'an accidentally after praying to God Alone to tell me if we should
follow Muhamed on the way traditionals Muslim doo.
I say in myself,I'm not sure what to do.To do everything like Muhamed on the way of tradiotional muslim
who follow the hadith,or just Qur'an.And I open Quran on Sura 49-2,3
. O ye who believe! Lift not up your voices above the voice of the Prophet , nor shout when speaking to him as ye shout one to another , lest your works be rendered vain while ye perceive not
. Lo! they who subdue their voices in the presence of the messenger of Allah , those are they whose hearts Allah hath proven unto righteousness . Theirs will be forgiveness and immense reward .My way of thinking is theseHow can I not lift up voice above voice of the Prophet?He is not here...
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Sura 49-2,3
. O ye who believe! Lift not up your voices above the voice of the Prophet , nor shout when speaking to him as ye shout one to another , lest your works be rendered vain while ye perceive not
. Lo! they who subdue their voices in the presence of the messenger of Allah , those are they whose hearts Allah hath proven unto righteousness . Theirs will be forgiveness and immense reward .My way of thinking is theseHow can I not lift up voice above voice of the Prophet?He is not here...
Am I right?Brother Stone, it is dangerous to think about these things unless you are properly schooled in hadeethology and suspension of disbelief by figures of authority. You may reach conclusions that actually make sense, but they would go against our complicated and arbitrary religious doctrines and they are therefore false
For real though, that's a nice anecdote. God guides those who seek His truth humbly and honestly.
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The Prophet said
"Whoever lies upon me intentionally, then let him take his seat in the fire"
What is interesting about this statement is how Hadith followers dont even follow their own criteria.
For example, it is a proven fact that traditional reports about various hadith narrators are filled with negativity*, AND if they imply hadith X is correct, then if there is another hadith that is not considered sahih BUT has the same isnad, then there is a critical error to resolve.
Of course, this problem is for hadith followers.
*http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Rethinking_Tradition_Modern_Islamic_Thought.htm
There is documented evidence that the companions disagreed with each other and criticsed each other, for example Aisha and Ibn Abbas were reported to have criticised Abu Hurayra. A number of companions demanded evidence for the truth of reports passed onto them. Umar alledgedly questioned a report from Fatima bint Qays. Umar is also reported to have confined three companions to Medina to keep them from spreading traditions. -
What is interesting about this statement is how Hadith followers dont even follow their own criteria.
For example, it is a proven fact that traditional reports about various hadith narrators are filled with negativity*, AND if they imply hadith X is correct, then if there is another hadith that is not considered sahih BUT has the same isnad, then there is a critical error to resolve.
Of course, this problem is for hadith followers.
*http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Rethinking_Tradition_Modern_Islamic_Thought.htm
There is documented evidence that the companions disagreed with each other and criticsed each other, for example Aisha and Ibn Abbas were reported to have criticised Abu Hurayra. A number of companions demanded evidence for the truth of reports passed onto them. Umar alledgedly questioned a report from Fatima bint Qays. Umar is also reported to have confined three companions to Medina to keep them from spreading traditions.OMG - it almost sounds like the companions may have been human, complete with human foibles....that can't be right ???
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What I'm saying is that Allaah preserved His Word through the effort of men. Did Allaah drop the Quraan with all its Surahs and Ayats arranged in the right order? did it come down from the clouds as a book between two covers?
Or was it revealed upon the tongue of the Messenger ? Was it not compiled during the caliphate of 'Uthmaan , some two or three decades after the passing away of the Prophet?
So the exact same objection you raise against the Hadeeth can also be made about the Quraan. There is a saying, "Don't throw stones at someone's house if your own house is made of glass"
The earliest complete manuscripts we have of the Quraan are in fact found to be compiled at least a century after the Prophet passed away
John Gilchrist states "The oldest manuscripts of the Quran still in existence date from not earlier than about one hundred years after Muhammad's death."
Even the first hadith compilation we have, the Saheefah of Hammaam ibn Munnabih is dated to earlier than that, the mid-first century of the Islaamic calendar. It contains 138 narrations or Hadiths, 98 of which can be found in Sahih al Bukhari and Sahih Muslim!
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8055.0;wap2
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First of all I would like to clarify that my posts are addressed to all readers of this thread and I am not trying to engage anyone in a debate. I can only draw attention to the god's words. I cannot guide anyone. Only the god guides whom he wills and misguides whom he wills.
Then you are not a true believer, because the true believers are those who believe in the ENTIRE Quraan, they don't accept part of it and reject other part of it
We believe in it, all of it is from our Lord
But you fall in the category, regarding whom Allaah says
Is it a part of the Book you believe in, and you disbelieve in a part?
I believe in all the signs of the god including the ENTIRE ORIGINAL quran. The current written quran has many man made additions to it for example the names of the chapters, the verse stops, and diacritical marks and there are discrepancies in some words and letters among the 10 versions of the written quran in existence. I do not believe in any of the man made stuff. The original message however is 100 % preserved as promised by the god. The original message can easily be figured out by using mind and reason, the discrepancy/contradiction principle, cross referencing the signs, and comparing with the signs in the horizons and within ourselves until the truth is discerned per 4153
For more details please see http//free-minds.org/sites/default/files/WhichQuran.pdf
Then logically, you must accept this fact that true believers are commanded not only to follow the Quraan, but to follow ALL Revelation from Allaah to His Messenger, as Allaah says
Those who follow the Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet whom they found written about in the Torah and the Gospel, He commands them the Good, and forbids them the evil, and allows them the Pure things, and forbids them the impure, and he releases them from their heavy burdens, and from the fetters that were upon them. So those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the Light which has been sent down with him, it is they who will be successful.
The sign maseehullah quotes asks us to follow THE LIGHT sent down with the messenger and not ALL revelation from the god. THE LIGHT refers to something very specific which was sent down to the messenger and does not refer to ALL revelation from the god.
Let us see what the god sent down to the messenger
We have sent it down an Arabic Quran, perhaps you will comprehend. (122)
And it was such that We sent it down an Arabic Quran, and We dispatched in it the warnings, perhaps they will become aware or it will cause them to remember. (20113)
We have sent down to you the Quran in stages. (7623)
Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you the Book fully detailed? Those to whom We have given the Book know it is sent down from your Lord with the truth; so do not be of those who have doubt. (6114 and numerous other signs mentioning the book sent down)
ALR, a Book which We have sent down to you so that you may bring the people out of the darkness and into the light with the permission of their Lord, to the path of the Noble, the Praiseworthy. (141)
These signs make it clear that THE LIGHT sent down to the messenger is THE QURAAN which is also referred to as THE BOOK so that the messenger can bring people out of the darkness and into the light with the god's permission.
Hence maseehullah's claim of the "fact" that true believers are commanded not only to follow the Quraan, but to follow ALL revelation from the god to his messenger is unevidenced by 7157 because as shown above, THE LIGHT refers to THE QURAAN and not to ALL revelation when cross referenced with other signs in the quraan.
The Best of that which Allaah has sent down to the Prophet is indeed the Holy Quraan. No doubt about it.
Yet this same verse you quoted is another proof that that Allaah has sent down other revelation besides this Quraan, i.e. the Hadith Qudsi for example.
Sure but the god asks us to follow THE BEST of that which he sent down to the messenger and he clearly tells us that THE BEST is THE QURAAN.
THE BEST can only be one, not all.
The point is, Allaah has commanded us in numerous verses in the Quraan to follow everything which has been revealed to the Messenger of Allaah .
That would contradict with 3955 in which the god wants us to follow THE BEST and not everything revealed to the messenger.
THE BEST can only be one, not all.
Yes, Allaah commands us to follow the best of that which has been sent down to him by his Lord, yet He never says that you will follow that exclusively, meaning, to the exclusion to all other revelation.
THE BEST contains ALL DETAILS and DETAILS OF EVERYTHING relevant to our guidance so following THE BEST would be ENOUGH as I have already shown from the quraan. Everything else would be redundant.
When an author says that a particular book is his best book and contains details of everything/all details then even if he has written 100 more books, that one best book would be enough to follow.
So the logical fallacy on your part is to take something which is general command and turn it into an exclusive command.
If Allaah said to follow nothing but the Quraan, or follow nothing but the best of that which He sent down, you would be right, but when He said to follow the best of that which is sent down to the Prophet , it was not an exclusive command to follow only that.
It is not a general command because THE BEST was clearly defined as THE QURAAN, making it an exclusive command. THE BEST can only be one, not all. Read the relevant signs again
And follow THE BEST of what has been sent down to you from your Lord, before the retribution comes to you suddenly when you least expect it. (3955)
God has sent down THE BEST HADITH, a Book fully consistent within itself, repeating each statement in manifold forms. The skins of those who are concerned towards their Lord shiver from it, then their skins and their hearts soften up to the remembrance of God. Such is the guidance of God; He guides with it whoever He wills. And for whoever God misguides, then none can guide him. (3923)
THE BEST can only be one, not all.
Readers are encouraged to pay attention to the last part of 3923. No one can guide whom the god misguides, even though his signs are so clear!
Once again you repeat the same logical fallacy, which is turning something general into exclusive.
"That you may warn WITH IT" is an exclusive command referring to the quraan exclusively.
Say Which is the greatest testimony? Say God is witness between me and you, and He has inspired to me this Quran that I may warn you with it and whoever it reaches, that you are bearing witness that with God are other gods! Say I do not bear witness! Say He is only One god, and I am innocent of what you have set up! (619)
And thus We have inspired to you an Arabic Quran, so that you may warn the capital town and all around it, and to warn about the Day of Gathering that is inevitable. A group will be in the Paradise, and a group in Hell. (427)
The Quraan is general and requires further explanation, that is why Allaah said that the duty of the Messenger is to explain the Reminder which is sent down
With proofs and scriptures. And We sent down to you the Reminder to reveal/proclaim (litubayyina) to the people what was sent to them, and perhaps they will think. (1644)
Sectarians say that the word "litubayyina" in this sign means "to explain clearly", and thus Muhammad the messenger of the god explained the signs of the quraan and those explanations can be found only in the "hadith" attributed to him by others.
Sectarians have misinterpreted this word "litubayyina" in these verses. People who establish hadith and sunnah as another source of religious teachings besides the quraan, opted for the irrelevant meaning of the Arabic word "BYN" in these verses.
The word "'lituBaYyiNa" is a derivative of "BYN", which is a multiple-meaning word. It means
- To reveal what is concealed.
- To explain what is vague.
The first meaning is the antonym of "hide (katama)", the second is the antonym of "make vague". The god orders Muhammad to proclaim the revelation which is revealed to him personally. Indeed, this is the whole mission of the messengers (1635). Prophets sometimes experience difficulty in proclaiming the revelation (3337, 2025-2. The verse 7519 does not leave any room for an extra human explanation.
So when We relate it, you shall follow its revelation.
Then it is for Us to explain it (bayanahu). (7518-19)And for every example they come to you with, We bring you the truth and the best explanation (tafseeran). (2533)
Thus, the word "litubayyina" of 1644 is similar to the one in 3187. Verse 3187 tells us that the people who received the revelation should "reveal/proclaim the scripture to the people, and never conceal it (la taktumoonahu)."
3187 And God took the covenant of those who were given the Book You will reveal/proclaim it (latubayyinunnahu) to the people and not conceal it (la taktumoonahu). But they placed it behind their backs and purchased with it a cheap price. Miserable indeed is what they have purchased.
Readers can clearly see that "latubayyinunnahu" has been used in contrast with "taktumoonahu", so it can only mean "reveal/proclaim" as opposed to "hide/conceal"
The Quraan also commands us to take whatever the Messenger allows us, and abstain from whatever he forbids.
This is a good example of maseehullah hiding part of the sign and revealing only a part to misguide others by taking things out of context
Your god is One god. Those who do not believe in the Hereafter, their hearts are denying, and they are arrogant. Certainly, God knows what they hide and what they reveal. He does not like the arrogant. (1622-23)
The translation of the complete sign is as follows
Whatever God bestowed upon His messenger from the people of the towns, then it shall be to God and His messenger, and the relatives, and the orphans, and the poor, and the wayfarer. Thus, it will not remain monopolized by the rich among you. And you may take what the messenger gives you, but do not take what he prohibits you from taking. And be aware of God, for God is mighty in retribution. (597)
According to the context and the complete sign, "you may take what the messenger gives you, but do not take what he prohibits you from taking" refers to "whatever God bestowed upon His messenger from the people of the towns" i.e. the spoils, and not to the god's revelations or guidance.
They seek to deceive God and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves without noticing. (29)
In another thread I gave a perfect example of this principle and why it is necessary. In the Quraan, Allaah says He has only forbidden four things to eat 1) dead meat, 2) blood, 3) pork, 4) any meat upon which other than Allaah's Name has been pronounced Therefore, for those who follow only the Quraan as guidance, all other meat is permissible, including dog meat, cat meat, snake meat, eagle, hawk, etc.
Yet we know for a fact that these animals and their meat is just as impure as the pig, and that is why we know from the Hadeeth that the Messenger of Allaah prohibited the eating of any animal that has fangs, and any bird that has talons.
But you as a "Quraan-only" follower will have no problem eating the impure meat of dogs, cats, snakes, and eagles. You claim to follow the way of Abraham, but actually you are following the way of pagans, chinese, etc., who eat these impure meat. Even in the Torah, these impure meats are forbidden.
Maseehullah would rather believe a hadith falsely attributed to Muhammad the messenger and lie about the messenger than trust/believe the god's words in the quraan. The god's clear signs forbid ONLY the four categories of food mentioned; then after that did the messenger dare to add to the god's fully detailed words detailing everything relevant to prohibited foods? Did he dare attribute something falsely to the god? Did he dare make something unlawful that the god had made lawful? Had he actually done so, he would have immediately been killed by the god
And had he attributed anything falsely to Us.
We would have seized him by the right.
Then, We would have severed his life-line.
None of you would be able to prevent it. (6944-47)Say I do not find in what is inspired to me to be unlawful for any eater to eat except that it be already dead, or running blood, or the meat of pig - for it is foul - or what is a wickedness, dedicated to other than God. But whoever is forced to, without seeking disobedience or transgression, then your Lord is Forgiving, Merciful. (6145)
In 6145 Muhammad himself is telling us the ONLY forbidden categories of food IN WHAT WAS INSPIRED TO HIM. This includes ALL inspiration to Muhammad from the god. So he was NEVER prohibited any other category of food. Then attributing false hadith to him claiming he also forbade other categories in addition to those mentioned in the quraan would be completely blasphemous, inventing lies about the god and his messenger, making unlawful that which has been made lawful, and disbelieving/rejecting the god's clear signs
O you who believe, do not make unlawful the good things that God has made lawful to you, and do not aggress; God does not love the aggressors. (587)
As far as the Jews are concerned, following are the extra food categories that were forbidden to them
And for those who are Jewish We have made unlawful all that have claws; and from the cattle and the sheep We made unlawful their fat except what is attached to the back, or entrails, or mixed with bone. That is a punishment for their rebellion, and We are truthful. (6146)
This was as a punishment and with the revelation of the quraan those categories of food were made lawful again as evidenced by the word ONLY in the signs detailing the forbidden foods
He has ONLY made unlawful for you that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated with to other than God. But whoever is forced to, without seeking disobedience or transgression, then there is no sin upon him. God is Forgiving, Merciful. (2173)
He has ONLY forbidden for you what is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was sacrificed to any other than God. But whoever is forced to, without seeking disobedience or transgression, then God is Forgiver, Merciful.
And do not say, as to what your tongues falsely describe This is lawful, and that is forbidden; that you seek to invent lies about God. Those who invent lies about God will not succeed.
A small enjoyment, and they will have a painful retribution.
And for those who are Jewish, We forbade what We told to you before. And We did not wrong them, but they were wronging themselves. (16115-11
It appears that maseehullah is the one who believes in only a part of the book and disbelieves/rejects a part of it
Do you believe in part of the Book and disbelieve in part? The punishment for those among you who do so is humiliation in this worldly life, and on the Day of Resurrection they will be delivered to the most severe retribution. God is not unaware of what you all do. (285)
So yes, the Quraan is indeed fully detailed...NOT because it contains all the instructions and regulations for our guidance...but because it tells us to obey the Messenger and to take whatever he allows us, and abstain from whatever he forbids us.
The Quraan is not fully detailed in the way you think, otherwise why would Allaah not mention in the Quraan that dog meat, cat meat, snake meat, etc., is forbidden, and why in the Quraan would He tell us to take everything the Messenger allows, and abstain from everything He forbids?
The god clearly tells us that the quraan is a guidance for the people, the believers, and the righteous (22, 2185, 179, 4144). Then the god tells us that the quraan is fully detailed and contains details of all things (6114-115, 12111, 1689). Therefore the quraan is fully detailed and contains details of all things relevant to our guidance.
After this saying that the quraan is not fully detailed and does not contain details of all things relevant to our guidance would be rejecting/disbelieving/disobeying the god and thinking that the god forgot something out of his fully detailed book. Obviously, to such a person the god's words can never be enough
Is it not enough for them that We have sent down to you the Book that is being recited to them? In that is a mercy and a reminder for people who believe. (2951)
What is wrong with you, how do you judge?
Or do you have a book which you study?
In it, you can find what you wish? (6836-3He said The knowledge of it is with my Lord, in a record. My Lord does not err or forget. (2052)
The quraan is THE BEST HADITH and contains details of all things relevant to our guidance. By definition the best can only be one. Following this BEST of what has been sent down to the messenger containing ALL details relevant to our guidance is ENOUGH to obey and follow the messenger of the god.
Muhammad the messenger of the god was also asked to follow the creed of Abraham as shown in my previous post. Since we are supposed to follow Muhammad the messenger, and he was directly asked to follow the creed of Abraham, then in order to follow Muhammad the messenger of the god we also need the sabeel/hadith/sunnah of Abraham.
Where can we find the true 100% authentic sabeel/hadith/sunnah of Abraham so that we can follow Muhammad the messenger of the god?
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The current written quran has many man made additions to it for example the names of the chapters, the verse stops, and diacritical marks and there are discrepancies in some words and letters among the 10 versions of the written quran in existence. I do not believe in any of the man made stuff.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598886.msg249923#msg249923
Peace,
Khalil
