Are we hated or just discriminated
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Dear Brothers and Sisters
Today I joined a swedish muslim forum in hope that I would be able to maybe straighten some distorted views what Quran Alone is all about. I introduced myself and said that I was a "Koranist" and if anyone wanted to ask me about the religious belief of someone such as me I would be there and answer any question. I stressed the point that there IS a difference between 19 (Rashad Khalifa committer) and AQ..
Then I went on and answered a question asked by a mainstream muslim brother who needed help. Somebody had challenged him by saying "If the Quran is error-free, then how come Surah 675 and 376-8 is not scientifically correct???
675 And We have adorned the lower heaven with lamps, and We made it with projectiles against the devils; and We prepared for them the retribution of the blazing Fire.
37 6-8 We have adorned the lower heaven with the decoration of planets.
And to guard against every rebellious devil.
They cannot listen to the command up high; and they are bombarded from every side.I answered him that perhaps these verses were not "scientific" but written in an allegorical way. Just because the Quran mentions something "scientific" it doesnt mean it has to be "scientific". I mean, Muhammed Ali's right hook was "faster than lightning" doesn't REALLY mean that it was actually faster than lightning..... I referred him to 37, where in the Swedish version of the Quran, the word "similar" is intepreted as "figurately speaking".
He is the One who sent down to you the Book, from which there are firm revelations; they are the essence of the Book; and others which are similar. As for those who have a disease in their hearts, they will follow what is similar from it seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except God, and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say We believe in it, all is from our Lord. And none will remember except those who possess intelligence.
I gave him "ammo" to defend his belief against those who questioned it...........
After a few hours I checked the forum......And Oh My God!!! There was an general outcry to ban me from the forum and in the future not to allow anybody who could be stamped as a Rashad Khalifa follower, a 19, a quraninyoon, submitter......The moderator stepped in and said "look, this guy has not done anything wrong but I will help you to form a policy so we can get rid of this "sect" from the forum".
What did I do wrong? Do they hate us that much? I have been verbally abused in the mosque and banned from the one in the neighbourhood, but that has been very local, very man-to-man......this was the first time when I was faced with a national outcry to have us banned from islam.....
Hypocratic it is....they complain that non-muslims think they are oppressors of women, but they themselves don't know the difference between a QA and a Rashad Khalifa committer....
Feel sad, need a hug
Peace,
Respect.Welcome to the club, brother.
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Same here, same here.
I was banned from the sunni forum, from two mosques and wahabis keep threatning me and saying it is dangerous to ditch sunnah and hadeeth.
They simply cannot and will not abandon the books for qwhich they believe are the words of the prophet/messenger Mohammad and nothing and no one will ever convince them otherwise. God knows best.You might have made a mistake when you immediately said who you are, when you said you are a Quranist, which in their eyes was a threat and also an opposition, becuase they see people who abandon sunnah and hadeeth as enemies of the prophet. Just like 19ers see me as an enemy for abandoning the appendix and RK. My fiancee dumped me for not accepting RK and same thing is happening with sunnis. They see the sunnah and hadeeth as The Qur'an and in some cases even bigger and holier.
All I can tell you is this. You are brave and very courages for this scene and God bless you for being honest and sincere with them. Keep up the good job, brother. However, if you want, now try a different approach. Introduce yourself as a muslim and just go with the flow, go with them and talk. When someone/anyone asks a question, you answer best to your knowledge and according to The Qur'an.
For example when someone asks if it is true that thieves must have their hands cut off, answer what Qur'an says.
I did the same on another forum and I believe that non-muslims there who keep attacking Islam, Qur'an and muslims see the difference, God willing and will react sometime in the future, God knows best.On this forum > http//www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam
I have made several friends and also The Best Friend, Thank God.My Message to you, brother > Be Yourself. jedi
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God bless you and stay cool.
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Peace,
Respect.Welcome to the club, brother.
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Same here, same here.
I was banned from the sunni forum, from two mosques and wahabis keep threatning me and saying it is dangerous to ditch sunnah and hadeeth.
They simply cannot and will not abandon the books for qwhich they believe are the words of the prophet/messenger Mohammad and nothing and no one will ever convince them otherwise. God knows best.You might have made a mistake when you immediately said who you are, when you said you are a Quranist, which in their eyes was a threat and also an opposition, becuase they see people who abandon sunnah and hadeeth as enemies of the prophet. Just like 19ers see me as an enemy for abandoning the appendix and RK. My fiancee dumped me for not accepting RK and same thing is happening with sunnis. They see the sunnah and hadeeth as The Qur'an and in some cases even bigger and holier.
well it's how people become, due to suppression of knowledge, so their perception becomes limited too,
except that in some people's cases, they are willing to fight, even kill anyone who thinks/believes differentlyhttp//www.youtube.com/watch?v=711KIILYBdo&feature=related
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wahabis keep threatning me and saying it is dangerous to ditch sunnah and hadeeth.
They simply cannot and will not abandon the books for qwhich they believe are the words of the prophet/messenger Mohammad and nothing and no one will ever convince them otherwise. God knows best.
Of course, because Wahhabism is a cult, and a cult follows certain mechanisms to assure power over the masses.
The complexity of ahadeeth, the countless silly rules derived from them are an important instrument to keep the believers under control. If you are constantly worrying about the most trivial aspects in your life ? whether it is haram to pluck your eyebrows, with which foot to enter the bathroom first, how long your beard has to be etc. pp. ? you have neither the time nor the energy, much less the confidence to develop your own understanding of faith, and you will not dare to use your own brain and heart in order to communicate with God. Instead you rely on scholars to tell you what to do; and that's exactly the purpose of all that.
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The complexity of ahadeeth, the countless silly rules derived from them are an important instrument to keep the believers under control. If you are constantly worrying about the most trivial aspects in your life ? whether it is haram to pluck your eyebrows, with which foot to enter the bathroom first, how long your beard has to be etc. pp. ? you have neither the time nor the energy, much less the confidence to develop your own understanding of faith, and you will not dare to use your own brain and heart in order to communicate with God. Instead you rely on scholars to tell you what to do; and that's exactly the purpose of all that.
Beautifully put Leyna. bravo bravo The time spent agonizing over these things is incredible.
Then there are the more serious aspects - stoning is a classic example. I don't feel I need that treat to prevent myself from doing it, but I think that temptation can happen to anybody given the right situation. What if it was me, what if it was someone I know. What if I did nothing and was accused and falsely tried as has happened many times...no thank you. It actually makes me sick to think that some people I know are supporters of this.
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Of course, because Wahhabism is a cult, and a cult follows certain mechanisms to assure power over the masses.
The complexity of ahadeeth, the countless silly rules derived from them are an important instrument to keep the believers under control. If you are constantly worrying about the most trivial aspects in your life ? whether it is haram to pluck your eyebrows, with which foot to enter the bathroom first, how long your beard has to be etc. pp. ? you have neither the time nor the energy, much less the confidence to develop your own understanding of faith, and you will not dare to use your own brain and heart in order to communicate with God. Instead you rely on scholars to tell you what to do; and that's exactly the purpose of all that.
Peace,
Respect.Truly oustanding response, beautiful.
I see wahabees as borg, sometimes, not always, there are some who are peacful but most of them seem like borg.
It's a truly sad state they are in.May God gudie us all The Straight Path, inshaAllah.
Peace. pr
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Of course, because Wahhabism is a cult, and a cult follows certain mechanisms to assure power over the masses.
The complexity of ahadeeth, the countless silly rules derived from them are an important instrument to keep the believers under control. If you are constantly worrying about the most trivial aspects in your life ? whether it is haram to pluck your eyebrows, with which foot to enter the bathroom first, how long your beard has to be etc. pp. ? you have neither the time nor the energy, much less the confidence to develop your own understanding of faith, and you will not dare to use your own brain and heart in order to communicate with God. Instead you rely on scholars to tell you what to do; and that's exactly the purpose of all that.
And that's why in a war, one has no choice but to become a scholar and strive harder than those who strive against the god.
It is written/ordered on you the fighting/killing, and it is hated to you and maybe/perhaps you hate a thing and it is best/good to you, and maybe/perhaps you like/love a thing and it is bad/evil to you, and God knows, and you do not know.
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=2&verse=216
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Pel said "there are probably many muslims who are the same but would never admit that thats the case because they would be rejected by their friends and maybe family."
Yes, I'm sure that is quite true. It's comforting to think that but it makes me feel that perhaps I should refrain from saying openly what I really think to my friends here so that I can keep the status quo for a bit longer. In terms of my husband though I can't not say anything - I can see there is no way in this world that we will be able to live and manage together if he believes stongly in hadith and I don't (I'm not going to take many hadith laying down...I'm just not). We are going to have to meet in the middle somewhere and in order to do that I have speak about my beliefs.
Same here ... I think IRL the only Muslim who knows about my real views on the hadiths is my husband. His family doesn't know, and I won't bring it up because of how narrow-minded they are. At first my husband was terribly angered about me questioning the hadiths, but he's calmed down and I don't bring it up unless there's something he says is in the Qur'an but it's actually from the hadiths. I've been working on reading verses about certain topics so that if a discussion comes up I can refer to what the Qur'an says easily. At least my husband isn't a sunnah-crazy person. D