-->?Fully-Detailed?? So That Why I Shouldn't Make Salat?
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I don't think i agree with your assertians about the above ayats,to me any way they are totally 100% going against your sugestions.
One word of advice to everyone -we can never find unless we seek,if you allways think you know it how can you learn , you can only fill something that is empty therefore how can you learn if you are allways full of it.
Thank you.
i dont even think you actually read the post. you never states your reason for agreeing or disagee.How is it 100% against my "sugesstion"? If we are to debate with reason, you must present you case. maybe you have no case to present. Either way, Peace. Once i explain my point so everyone can understand.
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If you say there are things about which allah didn't give full knowledge of can you state things other then the salat please !for everybodies attention.
Surely there must be others as well?Thanks ,SHM.
And Salaams.
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If you say there are things about which allah didn't give full knowledge of can you state things other then the salat please !for everybodies attention.
Surely there must be others as well?Thanks ,SHM.
And Salaams.
look at my first post inthe begining of this thread.
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Ayman said
I agree. Not only did the "pre-quranic" Arabs understand that concept right off the bat, but so did Bani Israel and so did baby Jesus, etc. No one asked "how many Rakaats?" or "Should I put my hand on my side or in front of me?" etc.
So what do that prove? Salat is not a ritual prayer? NO
One issue i wanted to address is this argument that Jesus as a baby saying he is commanded to perform salat. people will use this as a false justifiction that salat is not a ritual prayer.
But iwant to ask this. If a baby said, " i am command to get marry" does that mean the baby is getting marry right away. What if the baby was command to give money, or have children, does that mean it will have a baby right away? NO. this argument (jesus as a baby commanded to perform salat) is baseless as proof the salat is not a ritual prayer.
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I don't know why you are saying all them things are not fully detailed?
to me they are .If you don't know how to do any ,one of them then oblige me and God willing you will have your answer on your plate.
Thanks.Salaams SHM.
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I don't know why you are saying all them things are not fully detailed?
to me they are .If you don't know how to do any ,one of them then oblige me and God willing you will have your answer on your plate.
Thanks.Salaams SHM.
that proves my point. how come no one is seeking "fully-detailed" instruction on how to take a bath, yet when it comes to salat, they need instructuions. The argument is so subjective and basis.
Lets say bob doesnt know how to take a bath, acording to your logic, he is forbidden to get knowledge outside the koran since the Koran is "fully-detailed". This is your argument which is illogical.
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No your are being silly,because you and i know any thing important you will allways detail - those things that needed detailing.Allah said take a bath under certain situations,thats all he said whether you take it in one hour or ten,or standing on your head(meant it in a funny way) it doesn't matter an iota,if you take it thats what counts.Salaams.And thanks .
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No your are being silly,because you and i know any thing important you will allways detail - those things that needed detailing.Allah said take a bath under certain situations,thats all he said whether you take it in one hour or ten,or standing on your head(meant it in a funny way) it doesn't matter an iota,if you take it thats what counts.Salaams.And thanks .
but there is no details of salat. there is just when it should be done, never how it is done. Yet you use the same argument against salat and not for bath. Like i sad, very subjective.
God said to perform salat at certain times, to wash before it, and other stuff, but never how to do it, why? Because everyone know already what it was, a ritual prayer.
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Dear SHM,
it doesn't matter how you do your salat the details are up to you,appart from what allah almighty has told me and you about it.
same as for taking a bath - Allah hasn't doesn't expect you to follow any specific way- as for bathing.Apart from what he has said about the particuler thing.I thing;i can't reason more then what i have done;But God willing you will find out for yourself what i am talking about in due course.
Inshallah.
Salaam.
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Dear SHM,
it doesn't matter how you do your salat the details are up to you,appart from what allah almighty has told me and you about it.
same as for taking a bath - Allah hasn't doesn't expect you to follow any specific way- as for bathing.Apart from what he has said about the particuler thing.I thing;i can't reason more then what i have done;But God willing you will find out for yourself what i am talking about in due course.
Inshallah.
Salaam.
are you admitting it is a ritual prayer or that is doesnt matter what it is?
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Salaams SHM,
i used pray ritually-probably for about 20 years untill Allah opened my eyes through layth here,no i am afraid i don't follow ritual salaat like you -i follow or rather do something similer to nabi and other people studeying or discussing and thereby learning - and which does lead to its application as well.Salaams.
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Salaams SHM,
i used pray ritually-probably for about 20 years untill Allah opened my eyes through layth here,no i am afraid i don't follow ritual salaat like you -i follow or rather do something similer to nabi and other people studeying or discussing and thereby learning - and which does lead to its application as well.Salaams.
oh...thats too bad. because surely salat is not a "debate" or a "study" assembly like nabi and layth are promoting with PM.
peace