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Not A Grammatical Error.

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    Alen
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    Peace,
    Respect.

    I have 4 translations of The Qur'an now, one from free minds, called The Message and the three other ones, which somehow differ when it comes to translating certain verses.

    For example, chapter 30, verse 2 says that Romans have won but in the translations by sunnis it says that Romans have been defeated.

    Also 8327 is differently translated.

    I'm busy with this project now, so I'll be delivering more info on this matter in the future, God willing and I truly hope I'll locate the solution, God willing because there are so many translators out there and everyone agrees on same things but what I don't like is when people add a sentence or delete it or translate it completely differently. God knows best.

    May God forgive me, Iif I have made a sin/mistake/accusation, I'm just trying to make progress.
    Glory be to God.

    Peace. angel

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      Alen
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      Peace,
      Respect.

      Have you read this?

      In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
      301 ALM.
      302 The Romans have won.
      303 At the lowest part on the earth. But after their victory, they will be defeated.

      But have you read the same in other translations?
      In other translations it says that Romans have been defeated and later on they will win.

      ??? confused confused hmm hmm hmm

      Peace.

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        In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
        301 ALM.
        302 The Romans have won
        transliteration ( ghulibet erroum )
        .-------- Ghulibet = defeated
        -------- erroum = the romains
        303 At the lowest part on the earth. But after their victory, they will be defeated
        transliteration ( fi adna al ardh wa baadaha sa yaghliboone)
        ------Fi = in
        ------Adna = Lowest / nearest
        ------Al Ardh= the land / Earth
        ------Wa = and
        ------Baadaha = After that / after her / after it
        ------sa yaghriboune = They will win

        I translated word per word, without having in my mind the meaning of the sentence , i made in bold the words i am sure about, i left the others for you to make the sentence correctly with the english grammar

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          I believe that the best tranlation can only be made from someone who doesn't believe in any religion, an atheist for example , and does it sicere professionel work and in the same time understands perfectly arabic and english, as to myself, i see for exemple a verse that is called a miracle
          the creation
          we created the heavens and the earth as one piece than we clove them asunder
          but in the quran it says
          we created the heavens and the earth rataqa we fataqnahouma
          rataqa = Seed / like plant's seed , Than fataqa in plurial = fataqnahouma = seed when it get cloved to give the plant or the tree, this is a litteral meaning

          I think it's better to translate the quran's words litteraly and let people decide , or understand, just like arabs can understand what does a seed of a plan do when it get cloved to give a tree = parable of the big bang

          Allah know best

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            Mazhar
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            I believe that the best tranlation can only be made from someone who doesn't believe in any religion, an atheist for example , and does it sicere professionel work and in the same time understands perfectly arabic and english, as to myself, i see for exemple a verse that is called a miracle
            the creation
            we created the heavens and the earth as one piece than we clove them asunder
            but in the quran it says
            we created the heavens and the earth rataqa we fataqnahouma
            rataqa = Seed / like plant's seed , Than fataqa in plurial = fataqnahouma = seed when it get cloved to give the plant or the tree, this is a litteral meaning

            I think it's better to translate the quran's words litteraly and let people decide , or understand, just like arabs can understand what does a seed of a plan do when it get cloved to give a tree = parable of the big bang

            Allah know best

            Please recheck, everything stated is incorrect.

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              Mazhar
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              In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
              301 ALM.
              302 The Romans have won
              transliteration ( ghulibet erroum )
              .-------- Ghulibet = defeated
              -------- erroum = the romains
              303 At the lowest part on the earth. But after their victory, they will be defeated
              transliteration ( fi adna al ardh wa baadaha sa yaghliboone)
              ------Fi = in
              ------Adna = Lowest / nearest
              ------Al Ardh= the land / Earth
              ------Wa = and
              ------Baadaha = After that / after her / after it
              ------sa yaghriboune = They will win

              I translated word per word, without having in my mind the meaning of the sentence , i made in bold the words i am sure about, i left the others for you to make the sentence correctly with the english grammar

              There was a thread on this subject

              http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14787.60

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                loxbox13
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                Mazhar is that true? everything incorrect ? LOL
                I thaught i knew it , can u please tell me what was incorrect exactly, if everything thani am out there lost , i really was typing what i thing i knew, if not i won't write something and without sayi '(g, that's what i think , so i am out of the signal than lol ok thanks, i 'll recheck what i wrote

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                  Mazhar
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                  Mazhar is that true? everything incorrect ? LOL
                  I thaught i knew it , can u please tell me what was incorrect exactly, if everything thani am out there lost , i really was typing what i thing i knew, if not i won't write something and without sayi '(g, that's what i think , so i am out of the signal than lol ok thanks, i 'll recheck what i wrote

                  It is always better not to depend upon one's memory while dealing with texts of a Book of another language and describing it in one's language.

                  we created the heavens and the earth rataqa we fataqnahouma
                  rataqa = Seed / like plant's seed , Than fataqa in plurial = fataqnahouma = seed when it get cloved to give the plant or the tree, this is a litteral meaning

                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/021.%20Al%20Anmbia/21.30a.gif
                  that the Skies and the Earth were both reconciled/united/sewed together and then We parted/clove them both asunder.

                  It is perfect deficient verb, third person; dual; feminine; and suffixed pronoun "alif" for dual third personfemine is the "subject noun of verb Kana, in nominative state".

                  is the predicate of "kana" in accusative case and is singular verbal noun.

                  Verbal sentence is the Predicate of

                  , the object pronoun, of the perfect verb with suffixed subject pronoun first person, plural, is again dual, third person, dual, feminine.

                  I hope it clarifies.

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                    loxbox13
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                    Thank you , what i didn't understand is the litteral traduction of the word rataqa, someone told me rataq is seed , plant's seed
                    but your explication makes more sense

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                      Mazhar
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                      Thank you , what i didn't understand is the litteral traduction of the word rataqa, someone told me rataq is seed , plant's seed
                      but your explication makes more sense

                      means to join together, to patch up; sticking together in such manner that there remains no gap/cleavage, opening, split. Verbal noun in the sentence indicates the state in which the Skies and Earth had been before the second action; layers pressed together into one mass; closed up mass.

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                        Alen
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                        Salaam, sisters & brothers.

                        Do you think if a person says the word God forsaken, is sinful/made a sin?
                        I mean, is it against The Qur'an? Just thought of it today.

                        May God forgive us all sins and improve us/make us progress/move forward in righteousness, InshaAllah.

                        Peace.

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