How are the Sacred Months determined with Qur'an alone?
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http//The pilgrimage is (performed in) the well-known months;
But Hu'j is performed only during certain known days of only ONE month.
Salaam,
But according to The Qur'aan, as MesMorial elaborated in his post in details, the months of performing Hajj Pilgrimage are FOUR CONSECUTIVE months of ZULHIJJAH, MUHARRAM, SAFAR, and RABEE'UL'AWWAL. The rest is non Qur'aanic innovations for the sake of POLITICAL & ECONOMIC goals/gains. And who pays the huge price for this innovation? Obviously the millions of pilgrims who go through all the hardship of getting cramped into a few days of performing their GOD prescribed HAJJ rituals resulting in all kinds of unnecessary life threatening accidents and illnesses.
Peace,
Khalil -
I did some research the first part of which addresses my question, the rest of which is a general response to "How do you perform Hajj without the ahadith?"
If there are improvements to be made, please point them out. I am working on standard responses to establish a solid foundation based on logic without the need for flexible interpretation (using the Ali, Shakir and Pickthal translations). However, I would require some more in-depth analysis of the Sacred Months in pre-Islamic times.
Salaam dear brother MesMorial, and welcome.
I think your post is quite adequate, covering most aspects of performing HAJJ PILGRIMAGE ACCORDING TO THE QUR'AAN ALONE.
May ALLAAH SWT bless you and Guides us all in His straight path.
Peace,
Khalil -
It is implied that the "well-known months" are Dhu al-Hijja, Muharram, Safar, and Rabee? Awwaland (see 91-5 below). They were considered sacred in pre-Islamic times (hence ?well-known?). They may not be the traditional non-consecutive months of Rajab, Dhu al-Qa'da, Dhu al-Hijja and Muharram since
(This is a declaration of) immunity by Allah and His Messenger towards those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement.
Qur?an 91
The name of the month is quite reflective. If Hu'j is in four months, how this term could be used to refer to a year?
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He said to Musa , "Indeed I wish that I may marry with you one of my daughters, these two, on that you may serve me for eight lunar years.2827
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But according to The Qur'aan, as MesMorial elaborated in his post in details, the months of performing Hajj Pilgrimage are FOUR CONSECUTIVE months of ZULHIJJAH, MUHARRAM, SAFAR, and RABEE'UL'AWWAL.
How do you know this according to The Qur'aan? Why RABEE'UL'AWWAL and say not ZULQI'DAH, for example? You can conjecture whatever arbitrary months you want just don't say that it is "according to The Qur'aan".
Peace,
Ayman
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The name of the month is quite reflective. If Hu'j is in four months, how this term could be used to refer to a year?
He said to Musa , "Indeed I wish that I may marry with you one of my daughters, these two, on that you may serve me for eight lunar years.Names have become meaningless in the Hijri calendar otherwise by the same token, "ramadan" would be the period of heat and "jamad" would be the period of cold and the two "rabi3" would be the two periods for grazing in Arabia in the fall and spring. If people are going to use the "name" argument then they should at least try to be consistent instead of just arbitrarily appealing to the meaning of the name when it suits them and ignoring it when it doesn't.
As for lunar years, Moses was clearly hired to do typical ranch type labor such as tending for sheep. Almost everyone knows the indisputable fact that labor related to the cycle of animals and crops follows the solar cycle and not the lunar cycle.
Peace,
Ayman
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I did some research the first part of which addresses my question, the rest of which is a general response to "How do you perform Hajj without the ahadith?"
If there are improvements to be made, please point them out. I am working on standard responses to establish a solid foundation based on logic without the need for flexible interpretation (using the Ali, Shakir and Pickthal translations). However, I would require some more in-depth analysis of the Sacred Months in pre-Islamic times.
The pilgrimage is (performed in) the well-known months; so whoever determines the performance of the pilgrimage therein, there shall be no intercourse nor fornication nor quarrelling amongst one another; and whatever good you do, Allah knows it; and make provision, for surely the provision is the guarding of oneself, and be careful (of your duty) to Me, O men of understanding.
Qur?an 2197
It is implied that the "well-known months" are Dhu al-Hijja, Muharram, Safar, and Rabee? Awwaland (see 91-5 below). They were considered sacred in pre-Islamic times (hence ?well-known?). They may not be the traditional non-consecutive months of Rajab, Dhu al-Qa'da, Dhu al-Hijja and Muharram sinceHow are these months "well known"? Can you provide any pre-Islamic source that shows these to be well-known? Did any of the people of the book know these months?
There is nothing implied that the "well-known months" are Dhu al-Hijja, Muharram, Safar, and Rabee? Awwal. Those are not "well known" even now let alone in pre-Islamic times.
Peace,
Ayman
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As for lunar years, Moses was clearly hired to do typical ranch type labor such as tending for sheep. Almost everyone knows the indisputable fact that labor related to the cycle of animals and crops follows the solar cycle and not the lunar cycle.
So you think he used the word before Musa alahissalam who came from capital of Egypt to convey him eight "cycles of animals" not years. Have you ever heard people mentioning number of years in this style?
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So you think he used the word before Musa alahissalam who came from capital of Egypt to convey him eight "cycles of animals" not years. Have you ever heard people mentioning number of years in this style?
People who work on ranches say all the time things like "I will hire you for eight harvests" or eight harvest feasts (cyclical events tied to the solar year that have to do with animals and food, which is mainly what "hagg" is about as per 222. No sane person on a ranch or a farm hires a worker according to the lunar year.
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How are these months "well known"? Can you provide any pre-Islamic source that shows these to be well-known? Did any of the people of the book know these months?
There is nothing implied that the "well-known months" are Dhu al-Hijja, Muharram, Safar, and Rabee? Awwal. Those are not "well known" even now let alone in pre-Islamic times.
I perhaps should have phrased it this way (thankyou for that)
"It is implied that the "well-known months" are Dhu al-Hijja, Muharram, Safar, and Rabee? Awwaland (see 91-5 below). They may not be the traditional non-consecutive months of Rajab, Dhu al-Qa'da, Dhu al-Hijja and Muharram..."
These links declare that the traditional months were in fact ?well known?
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calendar
http//inthenameofallah.org/Pre%20Islamic%20Months.html
http//www.alsadiqin.org/en/index.php?title=The_Pre-Islamic_Calendar
But we (and they) have only the hadiths (as a historical source) to indicate Rajab is sacred.
Concerning Safar (it was sometimes considered sacred)
http//www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/books/86
91-5 was proclaimed on the day of the greater pilgrimage further supporting that the ?four months? refers to the four consecutive months after that.
?There is no dispute with Zul-Hijjah being one of the four sacred months. People are comfortable with having Zul-Hijjah as one of the four sacred months as the name of this month itself implies a connection with Hajj. Rabi
is derived from the root word Araba which means 4. There are 2 months in the lunar calendar with Rabiin their name; the third month of the lunar calendar - RabiI and the fourth month - RabiII. Use of the word Rabi(implying 4) for the fourth calendar month is understandable, but why does the third month of the lunar calendar also have the word Rabiin it? It is fourth of what? It is the fourth of the Sacred Months beginning with Zul-Hijjah.?Personally it is difficult for me to be certain and so it is the one point with which I am dissatisfied.
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People who work on ranches say all the time things like "I will hire you for eight harvests" or eight harvest feasts (cyclical events tied to the solar year that have to do with animals and food, which is mainly what "hagg" is about as per 222. No sane person on a ranch or a farm hires a worker according to the lunar year.
So you are assigning to meanings "harvest feasts" which obviously in not a lunar or solar year since these are more than one in a year. Is it so?
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So you are assigning to meanings "harvest feasts" which obviously in not a lunar or solar year since these are more than one in a year. Is it so?
The word "hagg"/ meant "harvest feasts" long before I was born. The people of the book, including Moses, understood "hagg" as an annual "harvest feast".
http//www.infobot.org/factpacks/old_test_meanings.fact
http//strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/2282.htmLong before the prophet, you and I were born, the descendants of Israel celebrated the biggest harvest feast "al-hagg al-akbar" (they call it "hagg Sukkot" once a year on the fourth full-moon after the summer solstice (the last of the inviolable full-moons).
http//www.truthofyahweh.org/feast_sacrif.html
http//www.partyguideonline.com/foodndrink/harvestfestivals.html
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_harvest_festivals
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SukkotThe timing of the harvest feasts as marked by the full-moons is indeed well known to everyone as the god said (ash-hur ma3loomat). The meaning of "hagg" as feast was not only known to the people of the book, but has also always been known to the pagans, as evidenced by this ancient Semitic inscription from the 8th century BCE mentioning "hagg"
http//ntwrong.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/neo-hittite-funerary-rite/
Generally, the harvest feasts are marked by the full-moon (also called harvest moon) and they last for a few days. Depending on the time when food is most plentiful in the specific region, they usually take place on one of the three full moons occuring approximately between mid summer and mid fall.
Peace,
Ayman
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The word "hagg"/ meant "harvest feasts" long before I was born. The people of the book, including Moses, understood "hagg" as an annual "harvest feast".
http//www.infobot.org/factpacks/old_test_meanings.fact
http//strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/2282.htmLong before the prophet, you and I were born, the descendants of Israel celebrated the biggest harvest feast "al-hagg al-akbar" (they call it "hagg Sukkot" once a year on the fourth full-moon after the summer solstice (the last of the inviolable full-moons).
http//www.truthofyahweh.org/feast_sacrif.html
http//www.partyguideonline.com/foodndrink/harvestfestivals.html
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_harvest_festivals
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SukkotThe timing of the harvest feasts as marked by the full-moons is indeed well known to everyone as the god said (ash-hur ma3loomat). The meaning of "hagg" as feast was not only known to the people of the book, but has also always been known to the pagans, as evidenced by this ancient Semitic inscription from the 8th century BCE mentioning "hagg"
http//ntwrong.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/neo-hittite-funerary-rite/
Generally, the harvest feasts are marked by the full-moon (also called harvest moon) and they last for a few days. Depending on the time when food is most plentiful in the specific region, they usually take place on one of the three full moons occuring approximately between mid summer and mid fall.
Peace,
Ayman
So, as you suggest, he was asked to invite people at large for a" grand harvest feast" at a place where there is no cultivation, long before our birth and every body conveniently understood he was inviting for a feast.
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And you pronounce amongst the people for Hajj ,
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they will come to you on foot and upon each and every ride, they coming from every deep and distant mountain highways;Al-Hu'j-Surat 22
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So, as you suggest, he was asked to invite people at large for a" grand harvest feast" at a place where there is no cultivation, long before our birth and every body conveniently understood he was inviting for a feast.
Yes.
The pre-quranic meaning of "hagg" is "feast". The issue that you are talking about doesn't change this reality. The issue of the place is due to looking at only one aspect while not considering the whole picture.
The place at the time when it was first settled had no cultivated crops but it had naturally occuring plants. Here is what that the god told the people of the prophet who later lived in this same place
1610-11. He is the One who sent down water from the sky for you, from it you drink, and from it emerge the trees that you wander around in. He brings forth with it vegetation and olives and palm trees and grapes and from all the fruits. In that are signs for a people who think.
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And He is the One who sent down water from the sky, and We brought out with it plants of every kind. We brought out from it the green, from which We bring out multiple seeds; and what is from the palm trees, from its sheaths hanging low and near; and gardens of grapes and olives and pomegranates, similar and not similar. Look at its fruit when it blossoms and its ripeness. In this are signs for a people that believe.
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And He is the One Who initiated gardens; both trellised and untrellised; and palm trees, and plants, all with different taste; and olives and pomegranates, similar and not similar. Eat from its fruit when it blossoms and give its due on the day of harvest; and do not waste. He does not like the wasteful.
7928-32.And grapes and pasture.
And olives and palm trees.
And gardens in variety.
And fruits and vegetables.
An enjoyment for you and your livestock.951-3. By the fig and the olive. And the mount of aridness. And this town of security.
By the way, it should be
Peace,
Ayman
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Thanks for spell correction, I missed typing the suffixed pronoun alonwith sound stretching sign for reason of following vowelled hamza.
The quoted aayat are general in nature. It is specific and also time related during the currency of life of a person to whom people were supposed to approach for "festival feast" if that word means so.
And you pronounce amongst the people for Hajj ,
they will come to you on foot and upon each and every ride, they coming from every deep and distant mountain highways;
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The quoted aayat are general in nature. It is specific and also time related during the currency of life of a person to whom people were supposed to approach for "festival feast" if that word means so.
The quoted passages are general in terms of the lessons learned but not general in terms of the specific examples they cite. Those examples must have been relevant to the people of the prophet. They repeat the same types of fruits that are native to a particular region and not any general fruits from all over the world. All the fruits repeatedly quoted (Olives, date palms, figs, pomegranates, grapes) are native to Northern Arabia and not to Central Arabia. It would have been ridiculous for the prophet to tell his people, for example in 6141, "Eat from its fruit when it blossoms and give its due on the day of harvest" of things that they neither harvest nor eat from. This is especially in light of the context of 6135-145, which starts with the following
Say ?My people,...
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Aymen,
Please attend this
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And you pronounce amongst the people for Hajj ,
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they will come to you on foot and upon each and every ride, they coming from every deep and distant mountain highways;Al-Hu'j-Surat 22
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And you pronounce amongst the people for Hajj , they will come to you on foot and upon each and every ride, they coming from every deep and distant mountain highways;
This translation doesn't follow the basic rules of language. For example, it shows the common noun "hajj" as an untranslated proper name. Can you please show the linguistic rule that you used to conclude that "hajj" and "kaaba" are proper names?
Peace,
Ayman
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This translation doesn't follow the basic rules of language. For example, it shows the common noun "hajj" as an untranslated proper name. Can you please show the linguistic rule that you used to conclude that "hajj" and "kaaba" are proper names?
Peace,
Ayman
The issue for resolving is the cause and reason for which people will come to him, whether for enjoying "harvest feast" or for some other purpose. And please note it is not invitation but a proclamation/announcement for general public information. This will in itself define the term "ju'j".