The Quranic Concept of Deen
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case 2
- for the rest of the people usualy they pay to use the system to be allowed to work, e.g. you pay taxes so you can have a VAT number to setup a company and work.
You still bring fuel to the system by doing so!
Bani Israeel was also made to work, to contribute towards the Firaunic system. They were MADE TO. There is difference between those who willingly serve the Taghoot, and those who serve it unwillingly. See this thread http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601332.0
Check out the first article "House Muslims and Field Muslims".
- for the rest of the people usualy they pay to use the system to be allowed to work, e.g. you pay taxes so you can have a VAT number to setup a company and work.
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What can be the solutions
- bani israel vs Fir'awn had a solution Exode lead by Moses, what would be our solution today? I think Abd Nur already gave his solution some time ago, what is yours!
The solution will be the same when the problem reaches Fir'awnic proportions.
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Peace
herbman wrote
What can be the solutions
- bani israel vs Fir'awn had a solution Exode lead by Moses, what would be our solution today? I think Abd Nur already gave his solution some time ago, what is yours!
The solution is always dependent on the evolutionary stage in which a community finds itself. If we don't take into consideration such evolutionary stages, we may run into "apparent" contradictions in the Quran. The Quran must be able to facilitate the movement of any community from its current state towards the state where a community can achieve the Quranic ideal suggested in 1098.
Fahad wrote
24/32 And marry such of you as are solitary and the pious of IBAADIKUM/YOUR MALE SERVANTS and female slaves. If they be poor, Allah will enrich them of His bounty. Allah is of ample means, Aware.
66/5 It may be that his Lord, if he divorced you (all), will substitute for him wives better than you (all),- muslimaat, mominaat, qanitaat, taaibaat, AABIDAAT/FEMALE SERVANTS, saaihaatin sayyibaat and abkaar.
This demonstrates the kind of "apparent" contradiction that may appear when we don't take evolutionary stages into account. If we consider that Muhammad had slaves, and at the same time accept that the Quran brought an end to slavery and forbids slavery, there may appear to be a contradiction. This contradiction disappears when accepting that a society steeped in slavery is not required to outlaw slavery in one go. Slaves should be given more and more rights leading to its ultimate abolition. Different communities will achieve this at different paces.
There are other examples of these apparent contradictions in AQ. I'd like to hear the take on this from people here.
Imraan
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Salaam Fahad,
Allah is the ONLY sovereign, a sovereign is a person, in whatever capacity, like head of state, council member, bank manger, whatever, that you confer your decision making ability to, so you make yourself subject to their dictates.
An example would be they decide to increase your burden of taxation, and you have to pay, as you are subjugated to their dictates, you believe you are powerless to refuse, making you their subject, as in you are subjugated to their will, not your own.
To do this would be in direct opposition to the guidance of the Qur'an, Allah is the ONLY sovereign, it is very clear.
Those your right hand possess does not indicate slaves, or servants, in fact anyone who could believe that slavery is condoned within the Qur'an, would to me, seem to be a strange Muslims.
Those you right hand possess is in reference to the people in your life you love deeply, it is used in several verse where this meaning is required, family members, friend or even women you fall in love with are all those your right hand possess.
If a woman loves a man deeply, he possess her, in a way no other can, if a man loves a woman deeply she possess him in a way no other can, it would not change if they were married to another or not, their love would exist as a far stronger bond than marriage, this is why, if they are NOT both single already, it removes the burden upon the woman or the man to suffer within an existing marriage, when they have developed a deep love for another, they must remove themselves from the marriage with compassion and unite with the person they love.
It is not lawful for you (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract you, except those right hand should possess. And Allah doth watch over all things. (Surah 3352)
Allah has even given provision for deep love within his guidance as he knows the torment and suffering a human being will experience if they are denied any chance of union. Merciful and generous as ever. -
Salaam Fahad,
Allah is the ONLY sovereign, a sovereign is a person, in whatever capacity, like head of state, council member, bank manger, whatever, that you confer your decision making ability to, so you make yourself subject to their dictates.
An example would be they decide to increase your burden of taxation, and you have to pay, as you are subjugated to their dictates, you believe you are powerless to refuse, making you their subject, as in you are subjugated to their will, not your own.
To do this would be in direct opposition to the guidance of the Qur'an, Allah is the ONLY sovereign, it is very clear.
Where does the Quran say that Allah is the only sovereign?
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Salaam Farhad,
"It is not for any human being, unto whom Allah had given the scripture and wisdom and the office of a messenger of Allah, should say to people Be subservient to me instead of Allah." (Surah 3, 79)
(205-6) The most Merciful above the might or power; regal power; sovereignty; dominion reigns(Lanes V5 285)
To Allah belongs what is in the heavens and what is on the earth and what is between them and what is under the soil.This states firstly no man can have sovereignty not even a messenger of Allah, the second verse states Allah is infinitely above the criminals who force sovereignty upon any aspect of Allah's creation, its quiet clear and many other references litter the Qur'an, but you follow your sovereigns, Allah is aware of all you do.
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Salaam Farhad,
"It is not for any human being, unto whom Allah had given the scripture and wisdom and the office of a messenger of Allah, should say to people Be subservient to me instead of Allah." (Surah 3, 79)
As I have quoted here, the nabi DID HAVE people subservient to him.
(205-6) The most Merciful above the might or power; regal power; sovereignty; dominion reigns(Lanes V5 285)
To Allah belongs what is in the heavens and what is on the earth and what is between them and what is under the soil.Yes, everything belongs to Him, but He grants power to whom He wills (3/26). So He is not the ONLY sovereign.
This states firstly no man can have sovereignty not even a messenger of Allah, the second verse states Allah is infinitely above the criminals who force sovereignty upon any aspect of Allah's creation, its quiet clear and many other references litter the Qur'an, but you follow your sovereigns, Allah is aware of all you do.
Criminals who CAN force sovereignty ARE sovereigns.
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Salaam Farhad,
so you believe the Qur'an has a profound contradiction, Allah says not even a messenger of Allah can say to people 'be subservient to me', yet you say Muhammad went against this verse and did act as a sovereign upon the people?
Are you certain Muhammad acted in direct opposition to surah 3 - 79?
I'm afraid you fail to understand sovereignty even more than the verse Allah has presented, have you ever considered the Qur'anic business and community models, based on a sovereign free understanding?
I will give you an example of the sovereign free Islamic business showing the advantages over the sovereign based corporate scheme, take car insurance.
Corporate Car Insurance.
If you consider the ever increasing cost imposed by the monopoly of car insurance corporations upon the masses, and the obscene profits that this generates for the elite who instituted this system upon us, at present you have no choice but to suffer their sovereign based model.
The Islamic model of car insurance.
I will use simple figures to explain the outline of the model, so say on average a person pays ?500 a year to insure their car through the corporate system, and if they claim it would increase substantially the following year, this is to maintain the 80% profit margins the corporations have established.
So a collective of people is formed, wishing to insure the car, say a 1000 local people join, each of them, then pays ?500, the same as they would have paid the insurance company for a years insurance, you could alter the amounts based on the value of the car or the track record of the driver, but for simplicity we'll say they all pay ?500, that's a total of ?500,000.
On average a driver has an accident every 7 years, only half of these are the fault of the driver, so only half would be claimed from the Islamic insurance policy, this means out of 1000 drivers on average only 72 accidents will be claimed in the year, if you add in uninsured drivers this would rise to say 100 claims.
If each claim cost on average ?1000 it would mean that at the end of the year each member would still hold ?400 unused within their original premium, so they would only have to pay ?100 for the second years insurance, if they canceled their policy at any point they would be repaid the unused portion of their original investment, of say ?400.
Now you would say who would run such a scheme without taking a large profit, as people are greedy and selfish, I agree.
The original sum of ?500,000 is held within a repository, skilled and verified competent mechanics are found interested in working within an Islamic business model.
Say 2 local mechanics would be needed to maintain the claims of the 1000 policy holders, suitable local premises are found and paid for out of the premiums, say it costs ?200,000
The equipment required to run the garage would be found and purchased costing say ?100,000, a tow truck and two complimentary cars for policy holders to use while their car was repaired are purchased costing say ?50,000
So to establish the business it would cost a total of ?350,000, leaving ?150,000 to pay the wages and buy the materials the mechanics would require to fix the cars from the claims, ?50,000 could be then exchanged for pure silver to hold the value of the investment..
If the mechanics charged ?20 per hour for their labour they would claim ?15, ?5 of their labour would be given back to the original premium fund to reimburse the investors, until the ?350,000 was repaid in pure silver linked to the weight the money would have bought on the day of the loan.
Over time the interest free loan of ?350,000 would be repaid, at which point the mechanics would receive the full amount of their earned ?20 per hour.
If a mechanic wants to leave the business, another mechanic would have the same deal, the retiring mechanic would receive the investment back he had paid into the business, either from the investment fund of the premiums, or paid from the savings of the replacement mechanic, or combination of the two. Say he had paid back ?200 per week for 10 years, so he's paid back ?100,000, this would be the investment he had earned returned of course it would be linked to pure silver so would not be as precise a return, it would be more, as the link to silver removes the usury problem of inflation.
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Salaam Farhad,
so you believe the Qur'an has a profound contradiction, Allah says not even a messenger of Allah can say to people 'be subservient to me', yet you say Muhammad went against this verse and did act as a sovereign upon the people?
Are you certain Muhammad acted in direct opposition to surah 3 - 79?
I am certain he had people serving him.(24/32, 66/5) Ain't you?
Don't you think there is any way of serving(or working for) people without contradicting 3/79?
Did you read the explanation in the post i quoted? Here.