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Article on pre-Islamic Lord of the Ka'ba

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  • WakasW Offline
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    Wakas
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    http//www.uib.no/jais/v002ht/02-049-074Pavlov1.htm

    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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      With the escalation of the conceptual standoff between the Prophet and his heathen foes, the concept of the High God germinated and developed, and finally acquired its ultimate nominal shape, Allh. Muammad may have borrowed it from the Jhil milieu in order to help the heathen public accept it. There must have been some kind of nominal correspondence between the Lord of Muammad and a divine name familiar in the Jhilya. Otherwise, the quarrel between him and his foes would have been baseless, and ?there could have been neither debate nor discussion at all.? This being the case, one still can ask whether the vituperation story at least points to some degree of interaction and discussion. If so, the Prophet and the heathens behaved as if their deities were completely different and unknown to the other party. The proposal to exchange deities evokes a similar conclusion. Finally, most of the Arab tribes were more or less completely unable to recognize Muammad?s deity.

      Compared with the notion of Allah?s everlasting presence at the Kaba, the purely historical data may suggest a somewhat different picture of the sanctuary during the pre-Islamic era. Credible reports to the effect that Allah actually was the Jhil lord of the sanctuary are lacking, while the accounts of the Islamic authors concerning the early Islamic period show that the Islamic concept of divinity unfolded gradually and rather slowly. Muammad could not instantaneously disassociate himself from his ancestors? customs; in the beginning he wanted only to admonish Quraysh. In the face of their ardent resistance to his message, he became inclined to a kind of compromise. Only later, after prolonged ideological clashes with his heathen opponents, did he articulate the concept of the solitary transcendent deity without any partners or equals (shurak&#702. Allah became the Lord of the Meccan shrine and the only deity of Islam.

      I didn't find the evidence or reasoning for the above conclusions particularly compelling.

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        Its just for background info.

        It should be read in conjunction with http//www.bible.ca/islam/library/islam-quotes-izutsu.htm

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          Badr
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          Its just for background info.

          It should be read in conjunction with http//www.bible.ca/islam/library/islam-quotes-izutsu.htm

          http//www.uib.no/jais/v002ht/02-049-074Pavlov1.htm

          I thought you believe in the Quran now you quote anti-islamic sites - when Abraham was raising the foundations of the House and Ishmael, , "Our Lord, accept from us. Indeed You are the Hearing, the Knowing." (2127)

          This must be enough to know that Allah (the one of the Islam P) was worshipped there.

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            Wakas
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            peace Badr,

            The site I referred to quoted Toshihiko Izutsu, who is regarded as a scholar by many Traditional Muslim academics.

            I'm sure Allah was "worshipped" in many places, however your referencing of 2127 proves very little. See past discussion on this forum.

            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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              peace Badr,

              The site I referred to quoted Toshihiko Izutsu, who is regarded as a scholar by many Traditional Muslim academics.

              I'm sure Allah was "worshipped" in many places, however your referencing of 2127 proves very little. See past discussion on this forum.

              He may be considered as a scholar but the site may twist any info to prove its purpose so this is shady.

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                I have the book, and it seems fine a match to me. Feel free to read it........ if you choose.

                All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                  Badr
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                  I have the book, and it seems fine a match to me. Feel free to read it........ if you choose.

                  i will.

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