Jinns and Dark Matter
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Peace "Abdun Nur",
Salaam,
the idea of Jinn as a fire being is rubbish, and stands as a direct contradiction to the expressed ideas of the Qur'an, as every living thing in our creation is made of water.
2130 Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water ? Will they not then believe ?
JK- Correct and I've discussed this somewhere on the forum that since hydrogen(the element water is basically made after oxidizing) is the most present element in the universe, it could've reacted with plasma to form living creatures. Coudl've even been oxidized so that Jinn consist of plasma and Hydroxy Ions. So this verse does not make it impossible. ALSO do not forget thtat Allah Himself is called "Al-HAY(the Living)" in the Quran so water should be part of Him too IYU or not?
The theory of gravity is not correct, and is easily disproved, if gravity truly was an attraction of mass why don't things get pulled sideways towards mountains for example, as for the emperors new suit, dark matter, it's a fiction created to hide the major problems with the false theory of the big bang, anyway people love to believe the majority who are held in subjugation to the sovereign propaganda, if you believe in fire being jinns then you should also believe that the Qur'an has contradictions within it.
JK- First if you don't accept this then could you tell me where the earth's gravitational force comes from? And why do less massive planets, with a radius smaller or equal to the earth's, have less g-force on their surfaces?
2ndly the fact that massive objects attract each other was shown by the "Cavendish experiment" as early as 1797 with pretty good accuracy having only a 1% error as comapred to modern derivations of the same
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_constant
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment -
Salaam Johnny,
if you wish to believe in fantasies of imagination and superstition nothing anyone could say would alter that view, Muhammad removed superstition but very quickly people invested Islam with a new crop, water is not plasma, it could never be plasma, if you burn hydrogen and oxygen you are burning two gases, not water, but this again is irrelevant as Jinn has the meaning of Hidden not plasma spirit, much like the witches of Europe once plagued every village, an implanted superstition to allow the elite to dominate the weak minded and rid them of the intelligent without argument, Jinn superstition allows people to seek excuse for their detrimental actions, so allowing the confusions and misery of modern Islam to perpetuate.
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Peace "Abdun Nur",
Salaam Johnny,
if you wish to believe in fantasies of imagination and superstition nothing anyone could say would alter that view, Muhammad removed superstition but very quickly people invested Islam with a new crop, water is not plasma, it could never be plasma, if you burn hydrogen and oxygen you are burning two gases, not water, but this again is irrelevant as Jinn has the meaning of Hidden not plasma spirit, much like the witches of Europe once plagued every village, an implanted superstition to allow the elite to dominate the weak minded and rid them of the intelligent without argument, Jinn superstition allows people to seek excuse for their detrimental actions, so allowing the confusions and misery of modern Islam to perpetuate.
JK- First what do you make of Sura 72 Verse 11 where Jinn say there are righteous amongst them and that they follow various paths? 2nd there is nothing superstitious in hypothesizing living creatures which might exist as long as there's a natural explanation. As for water it could be enough if H2 is present to fulfil at least part of it's definition. Hydrogen is present ENMASSE in the universe. ALSO you didn't answer as to if every living being is made from water then what about GOD who is also called the "living"? It could also be that jinn, though living beings are distinct from what is commonly termed living THINGS(SHAYIN hay). In that case water would not be necessary. Some modern humanoid robots, like Asimo, could be considered living, though not living things in biological terms. GOD Bless!
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Salaam,
you think Allah a living being in this reality?
This is the confusion of Judaism and Christianity dominantly infecting the understandings of Islam with the dogma of Constantine, no God exists in the sky or within this reality as a living being, this is a ridiculous view of Allah.
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Peace "Abdun Nur",
Salaam,
you think Allah a living being in this reality?
This is the confusion of Judaism and Christianity dominantly infecting the understandings of Islam with the dogma of Constantine, no God exists in the sky or within this reality as a living being, this is a ridiculous view of Allah.
JK- Chrisians and Jews think that God is supernatural BUT ALSO that He is the ULTIMATE REALITY just like Muslims do. That meaning this relaity is ONLY AN ILLUSION CREATED BY GOD WITHIN GOD. NOW I never said that GOD is limited to this reality. I dont think that for a moment though I beleive He's here too, closer than our jugular vein. But Allah is also known as "AL HAYY" i.e. "the LIVING" in the Quran. SO if you claim that the verse means every living being is madew from water then ud have included Allah by definition. Thats why i asked you to be careful. Jinn may not be living things but living beings in general. Also one may argue that theyre not limited to our dimension/reality either. GOD Bless!
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Salaam Johnny,
you miss understand the concept of Allah, the easy way to grasp it is through the concept of imagination, all reality we perceive is the imaginative thought of Allah, so just as we are not a physically present aspect of out imagination; yet are the generator of that illusion within our own mind, so it is with Allah.
Water is water, gas is gas, plasma is plasma, if I'm wrong try drinking a glass of plasma. Jinn are things hidden, a tribe in the jungle of south America that are unknown to our modern world would be an example of Jinn, a banker in control of the European and American governments is a Jinn, he has huge effects upon our lives but we have no knowledge of his influence, a psychopath within the community who acts without empathy or conscience is a Jinn, there are many examples of Jinn, without the need to manufacture superstitious concepts.
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Peace "Abdun Nur",
Salaam Johnny,
you miss understand the concept of Allah, the easy way to grasp it is through the concept of imagination, all reality we perceive is the imaginative thought of Allah, so just as we are not a physically present aspect of out imagination; yet are the generator of that illusion within our own mind, so it is with Allah.
JK- Yes that is what all monotheistic religions more or less say about GOD i.e. He is SUPERNATURAL. In my understanding Allah has created this world as a reality witrhin Himself and He, while being inside of it too(closer to our jugular vein as described in Quran), also extends infinitely outside of it. Allah is the Light of the heavens(all dimensions) and the ard(earth and other land producing matertial).
Water is water, gas is gas, plasma is plasma, if I'm wrong try drinking a glass of plasma.
JK- Living things are also not only water are they? Hence some plasma could react with water or hydroxi ions and that combination along with other chemicals could form a mixture that could evolve into what is termed as Jinn. That is the point.
Jinn are things hidden, a tribe in the jungle of south America that are unknown to our modern world would be an example of Jinn, a banker in control of the European and American governments is a Jinn, he has huge effects upon our lives but we have no knowledge of his influence, a psychopath within the community who acts without empathy or conscience is a Jinn, there are many examples of Jinn, without the need to manufacture superstitious concepts.
JK- DO you at least accept then that Jinn can be good and pious too as per 7211, since here you're implying all Jinn to be -ve. GOD Bless!
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Salaam johnny,
as I said earlier to you no matter what I write you would not grasp what I say and continue to hold onto your confusion, there is little point in attempting to alter your views, enjoy them, superstitions are deep confusions, I have answered your questions you have not understood what I say, or refuse to accept them as answers.
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Peace "Abdun Nur",
Salaam johnny,
as I said earlier to you no matter what I write you would not grasp what I say and continue to hold onto your confusion, there is little point in attempting to alter your views, enjoy them, superstitions are deep confusions, I have answered your questions you have not understood what I say, or refuse to accept them as answers.
JK- I think I understood most of what you're saying but you have NOT given a SATISFACTORY reply how your definition of Jinn fits 7211. What you seem to be saying is that although the Jinn might be claiming there to be righteous coz they think they're doing good, they're actually not and I explained as to why I find that very unconvincing. That is the main point now. GOD Bless!
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Salaam johnny,
7211 And among us some are the righteous, and among us some are not so; we are divided ways.
What do you not understand? The universe functions upon dichotomy, the skill we must learn is to achieve the salaam of the dichotomy, Jinn (hidden) have a function, we have a function as the family of Adam, as nothing is made idly by Allah. Superstitions groundlessly feed peoples fantasies and excuse there actions, just as the Christian murdered people in the name of superstitions by burning them at the stake in the recent past, the modern fantasy in the Christian world is alien abduction, it appears if you accept what people say 1 in 3 Americans has been abducted by aliens, is this something you accept as true?
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Peace "Abun Nur",
Salaam johnny,
7211 And among us some are the righteous, and among us some are not so; we are divided ways.
What do you not understand? The universe functions upon dichotomy, the skill we must learn is to achieve the salaam of the dichotomy,
JK- What dichotomy are you talking about? Particles created in pairs? Many things in the universe have a wide spektrum of possiblities, not just two. Even in regards to sexuality there is a spektrum and not just 100% male or 100% female or 100% straight or 100% gay. SO please answer me if this verse implies to you that Jinn can chooses to be righteous or wrongdoers and be judged accordingly? ALSO in other Quranic verses we find that there is also Jannah(Garden) for humans AND one for Jinn(Surah Rahman) and that both these entities would get certain "Houris" which neither human NOR JINN have touched before. What does that imply to you?
Jinn (hidden) have a function, we have a function as the family of Adam, as nothing is made idly by Allah. Superstitions groundlessly feed peoples fantasies and excuse there actions, just as the Christian murdered people in the name of superstitions by burning them at the stake in the recent past, the modern fantasy in the Christian world is alien abduction, it appears if you accept what people say 1 in 3 Americans has been abducted by aliens, is this something you accept as true?
JK- Christians don't beleive in Aliens. They call those beings/creatures that are termed by mostly non religious people as aliens, demons. Whatever the case, it might be true, though i have to admit that there is not enough evidence as of yet to support any of their claims. However after seeing some videos of the user "alienscientist" at youtube, I suspect there might be something to it NOT in a SUPERNATURAL but natural way. GOD Bless!
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ALSO in other Quranic verses we find that there is also Jannah(Garden) for humans AND one for Jinn(Surah Rahman) and that both these entities would get certain "Houris" which neither human NOR JINN have touched before
a pure new vision/illusion/world/universe to explore/live in?
(sorry but i mean bright-eyed virgins are overrated)
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Salaam johnny,
you should investigate what a dichotomy is, a dichotomy is the opposing ends, so light would be the dichotomy to pitch black, yet to create white light all the colours of the rainbow must combine. You think no Christians have claimed to be abducted by aliens?
Ok
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Peace "Abdun Nur",
Salaam johnny,
you should investigate what a dichotomy is, a dichotomy is the opposing ends, so light would be the dichotomy to pitch black, yet to create white light all the colours of the rainbow must combine.
JK- What is the opposite end of x-rays, milk, butter or computers? At times even when there ideally would be opposite ends defined, those are actually never reached in reality. For example we never even get 100% male or 100% female. Similarly there is no 100% white. You can always make things more bright.
You think no Christians have claimed to be abducted by aliens?
Ok
JK- They might call themslves Christians BUT strictly speaking Christians would use the term Demons, NOT aliens. Baptist Christians who take the Bible literally would call people who call such beings aliens delusional and would insist those are actually demons. GOD Bless!
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Salaam,
a dichotomy is the opposing ends, an x-ray is part of the light spectrum, anyway you are arguing about nothing worth my time, as I say nothing I could write would alter anything within your head, so enjoy your superstitions, I am not the person you need to converse with, find a Imam or some other religious person, they love superstitions.
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Peace "Abdun Nur",
Salaam,
a dichotomy is the opposing ends, an x-ray is part of the light spectrum,
JK- But i understood you saying that everything in the universe is a dichotomy. By that I understand everything defined and quantified by any observer would be a dichotomy. Maybe i misunderstood so if that's not what you meant then what is it?
anyway you are arguing about nothing worth my time, as I say nothing I could write would alter anything within your head, so enjoy your superstitions, I am not the person you need to converse with, find a Imam or some other religious person, they love superstitions.
JK- 1st I'm ALWAYS open to change my mind and have done so many times as you can see by reading through my posts on tis forum. Take a look at this thread for example and see how radically I've changed in the past all documented here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13378.0
2ndly could you please tell me your definition of superstitious? Most certainly formulating a natural hypothesis cannot be termed "superstitious". Have you read my article "MJAH" at http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598009.0? If not please do so. GOD Bless! -
hhahhahah.
loll.
how the Muslims are so ignorant.
who told you the jins or fire creature are not mention in Quran.
i only made this account for you.
i was searching article for dark matter. for my debate on debate.org.
than i found this.
what a rubbish.abdun nur again say kalima.
you are not Muslim any more.
if you was.
the jins are made from fire. the spark of fire, further more the fire without smoke.
which means in normal combustion reaction the products are carbon dioxide and warer.
just like ch4 + o2 >>>>>>>co2 + h20 and anthalpy of heat..............or heat of reaction.
this heat is from which jins are made.
further more go and see what is this heat. its pure form of energy.
which consists of readiation.
the infrared or untraviloet.
the jins are infrared rays and angels are untraviolet.
the donkey has lense to see fire creature like devil and the rooster can see angles.
go and search those lens and wear to see them fire creature. soon you will end up in mental hospital.
ALLAH says in quran why you ask those thing which will hurt you.
you are also doing this.
the worse you put about wait. its in brackets which mean not present in real scripture.
ok its wrong.
you are idiots and nothings.
come on debate.org and see what will come out. this world is full of idiots.
even among us like abdun nur -
the donkey has lense to see fire creature like devil and the rooster can see angles.
Interesting. Also, please read the Forum Rules. Thanks.
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5531 is referring to calling/settling their accounts/burdens etc. Not physical weight.
Doesn't mean this heaven doesn't have dark matter along with the lights? Are they mutually exclusive? How would you define a heaven?
Salam,
Sorry, my dear, it does refer to physical weight...
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A 3 year old post? that was just begging to be replied to...with a one line opinion? One of those times where one should just go "Thanks. Dear. Whatever you say. Dear." /