Quran Study Group
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Peace be upon you,
Yes, OQS was very, very, very helpful. I think we should duplicate the process with the group we have here. With this free minds forum and a study group fo rthe God's book, that should help us all. Does anyone know a good place to set this up?
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Peace be upon you Marie,
I havent been there in a long time, I do not remember where it is found
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Peace,
Sorry for a few days of silence but my computer caught a bug plus it needed updating and more memory (some watches had more memory then this poor thing!). Now it feels like typing on a space rocket )) What a difference!
Great that there is not only my humble self who is interested in the project ) With all the potential that is here on the forum I think the QSG may be very fruitful, God willing!
Sabo wrote
"I'd like even to suggest that a new forum category for this online study could be done."I agree. That would make the reference much easier! Hope Layth and others in charge can do some "harry potter" magic about it
I suggest putting it in a separate category, say Quran Study Group; then each sura would be a different topic, and within each topic/ sura, there would be different posts about each verse/ groups of verses. That would make things clear and user-friendly ) Of course, there should be a topic for general issues, not connected with a particular sura or Quranic term. In this such posts as these ones could be put in.
Sabo wrote
"When we take the order of the Quran as it is, its fine, but in some places there must be made reference to either later or ealier positions in the book, which clarify the context further."Agreed. Yet, when we start discussing we should, in my opinion, take the Quranic order as the major. Of course, references, forward and backword, will be unavoidable!
idolfree1 wrote
"PLEASE! PLEASE! include me in this study group when it is created."Dear idolfree, and all of you. Everyone is welcome to take part because I want it to be our shared effort! So feel free to discuss and explore the Quran and hope that in this way we all will benefit, God willing!
idolfree1 wrote
"Might I also add that everyone make a copy of this reading(quran) for themselves that they can change so that as we study, we will also be formulating a book that is CLEAR, unlike the current translations. "I think it is a great idea! Hopefully, after it is done we won't need any translations any more )
idolfree1 wrote
"Yes, OQS was very, very, very helpful. I think we should duplicate the process with the group we have here. With this free minds forum and a study group fo rthe God's book, that should help us all."Exactly! There have been a few Quran study sites online, some of them gone now, and they may still be an inspiration and a help for us. Yet, behind my idea of the QSD there was the desire to involve the excellent people on the FM forum. C'mon girls and boys, we can do it too! Besides, there is no better way to learn than to do it oneself!
So much for the organisation stuff. Let's roll up our sleeves- sura 1 is waiting!
Any comments on the introductory remarks?
With peace,
Layla
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Peace be upon you,
Are we starting right here in this section? If so, what is the first section we are to discuss, the entire surah 1? I will wait a little while for a response before I start posting. I am excitied to have a study that goes in order, as this one, while at the same time we can discuss certain issues on the rest of this forum.
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Rahman/ Rahim so far?
Usually/ traditionally, they are treated as derivatives of the same root, ?rahima? (as TheNabi pointed out (after Omar?s dictionary I suppose?, p. 205) with the meaning ?(?)To love, have tenderness, pity, forgiveness, show favour, have all that is required for exercising beneficence?). There is also the meaning of ?womb? (mentioned by Wakas) and ?relationship? (rahimun, rihmun; pl. arham) (Omar, p. 205)
As such, Rahman and Rahim are translated into ?Merciful? and ?Compassionate? respectively. J.M. Rodwell claims, there is ?only a shade of difference between the two words? (the Koran, p. 431), namely ?the former (?) implies that the mercy of God is exercised as occasions arise, towards all his creatures; the latter that the quality of mercy is inherent in God and permanent (?)?. He suggests ?In the name of Allah, the God of Mercy, the Merciful? as a rendering closer to the Arabic original (ibid).
Similar line of reasoning we can find in other translators and interpreters of the Quran. Omar (mentioned earlier) proposes a fuller distinction between those names
Rahman idea of fullness, extensiveness, greatest preponderance of the quality of love and mercy which comprehends the entire universe without regard to our effort and asking even before we are born; generally pertains to this life and the creation of the universe (as Prophet Muhammad was to say). Also it ?circumscribes the quality of abounding Grace inherent in and inseparable from the concept of Almighty (?)?
Rahim the idea of constant repetition and giving of liberal reward to those who deserve it and seek of it, in response to and as a result of our deeds and supplications; Prophet Muhammad was to say that this attribute pertains to the life to come. It ?expresses the continuous manifestation of that Grace in and its effect upon us and is an aspect of one?s activity.?
On the other extreme, Parwez (in Exposition of the Holy Quran, pp. 66-67) differentiates between Rahim as ?one who provides nourishment in the normal course of growth and development? as well as ?in progressive evolution? and Rahman as the one does the same ?in full force and manifold in an emergency? or ?Emergent Evolution?. Parwez rejects the concept of mercy as un-Quranic and explains ?Rahmat? in terms of source of nourishment and those gifts from God (like e.g. the joys of life) that are free (e.g. 119-10, 1882) as well as protection or cover (and contrasts it with ?zarar?(1021, 3033), ?sayyi?at?(3036), and ?ahlaka?672). To boot, the Wahi, as a source of the Divine Revelation and thus a nourishment for the soul/ nafs and body, is also ?Rahmat? (2105, 4332).Irhazi offered yet another possible translation ?In the name of God, The Origin, The Arranging (after Le Soleil se l?ve ? l'Occident - Science pour l'Heure, Farid Gabteni).? This one is linked to the meaning of ?womb? mentioned in e.g. Omar and by Wakas (who I think referred to the same book and translation as Irhazi)
The link http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2105 provides a short discussion on possibilities of rendering those Arabic terms into English and linguistic possibilities of translating them into not necessarily repetitive terms.
It is argued that although ?(?) words coming from the same root are essentially similar but can have different meanings (?)? (savage_carrot). Zlatan supported this line of reasoning with his short definitions of homonymia and polysemia, a language phenomenon not restricted to Arabic only. The former refers to cases in which ?the meanings are totally unrelated while in the polysemia the meanings are different but related or similar (?).? And a lot of examples of such polysemic cases were offeredRoot meaning1 meaning2
Nfq infaq= spending nifaq=hypocrisy
Aabd worship, serve, submit reject, disdain,
Qst do justice do injusticeKhfy hide, cover show, uncover
?dhaab punishment sweet, pleasant
It is believed that whatever translation we accept, those two terms are ?two sides of the same sphere? (Wakas), which brings us back to the traditional stance?
But returning to the comment by Omar, who says that the name ?Rahman? ?(?) circumscribes the quality of abounding Grace inherent in and inseparable from the concept of Almighty.? That reminds me of the article by Sister W.H. (http//free-minds.org/articles/gods_system/rahman.htm), who argued that ?Rahman? should be translated as ?Almighty?. She underlines the fact that both names/ attributes are used as a pair (and a pair of opposites! despite the common root) but at the same time their meanings are made clear by the Quranic contexts in which they are used as separate names and in different meanings. The author refers to the simple truth of the Quran
self-interpretation (which I mentioned too in the introductory post)? (?)Usage, not etymology and certainly not dictionaries, is always the ultimate determining factor in word-meanings, and this is no exception. How a name is used in the Qur?an should be our determining factor in deciding what is the meaning of that name (?)?
While Rahim indeed shares its meaning with mercy, being merciful and love, Rahman does not. It is ?(?) referring to the power and authority and all-encompassing might of Allah.? She mentions that Rahman is used interchangeably with God/ Allah (17110) and it cannot have possessive forms (unlike e.g. ?Rabb?)
The most representative sura to show the correct meaning of Rahman is sura 19. In verse 18 Mary/ Maryam asks for help and protection against an intruder; in 45 Abraham/ Ibrahim fears the wrath of God (Rahman) against his disbelieving father; in 85-95 the idolatry of Christians is exposed- they claim that Rahman shares His power with others. Probably the most telling example is that of sura 201-8 with its throne of God ? a symbol of His power and authority. While later verses 108- 111 show God?s Power on the Day of Judgement. Sura 55 refers to God?s creation of the universe, people and the mode of teaching. Sister W.H. refers to other instances of the usage of Rahman 2163, 1330, 17110, 1918, 1926, 1944, 1945, 1958, 1961, 1969, 1975, 1978, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 205, 2090, 20108, 20109, 2126, 2136, 2142, 21112, 2526, 2559, 2560, 2560, 2563, 2563, 265, 2730, 3611, 3615, 3623, 3652, 412, 4317, 4319, 4320, 4333, 4336, 4345, 4381, 5033, 551, 5922, 673, 6719, 6720, 6729, 7837, and 7838.
?(?) when the two names, Al-Rahman and Al-Raheem, are invoked together (in succession) in the Qur?an, their usage clearly declares the ultimate Authority and Power of Allah(?)?
?Power and might are associated with authority, punishment, retribution, and the ability to overwhelm and conquer all who are without power - and in the context of the Almighty, all else has no power relative to Him. Mercy, on the other hand, is associated with forgiveness, kindness, leniency, the act of extending help and relief to those without power, of giving without asking in return, of considering the point of view and situation of one outside oneself, someone different, of being responsive and receptive. And in the case of Allah (glory to Him in the highest) all else is unlike Him, hence different, and all else is the recipient of His mercy. It is His mercy that connects to us, that deals with our wants (from our point of view or situation) and needs, and through which we can relate to Him. For we are, relative to Him, powerless, and unable to perceive or contact Him, except through His mercy (and Power which enables His mercy). And so we have two crucial attributes absolute power and authority on the one hand, and all-encompassing mercy on the other. The relationship between these two attributes, two opposites, is absolutely dynamic, profoundly so, and that profound dynamic indicates something of the profoundly dynamic nature of the Supreme Power, of Allah (?)? She underlines the dynamic and active aspect of Divine creation as well as that of the relationship between those attributes opposite and yet balanced.
As it can be seen from the above, the traditionalists heard the bell ring but they must have misplaced the church Thus their vague and shaky explanations of Rahman and Rahim served in the sauce of opposites such as general and particular, this life and the hereafter, or pure grace and cause and effect.
And what do you think, dear friends? Having looked at the Quran?
With peace,
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Peace be upon you Layla,
I will respond and help you get this off the ground when I get home and have time. I dont want to have to keep looking out for my supervisor and this is too important to give quick responses D
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Peace be upon you,
11 With the God's description, the cause (it is a mercy that we have the ability to cause an effect), the effect( all causes lead to an effect, the God's Might)
The descriptions of the God are disciplines for us to implement and try to maintain, we reap what we sow.
12 The appreciation to the God, Lord of the creations.
We appreciate the laws that guide us in creation, without it we would be always guessing, and guessing is no substitute for the truth. Every thing is connected to the Whole
13 The Cause, the Effect
14 Controller of the system time
Cause and effect controls this time that we experience, it is all part of the God's System(deen).
15 You we serve and you we seek help from
It is our best interest to serve (follow the commands) of cause and effect, the Most High has made it control this system, so you might as well submit to the laws of the God. We seek help from the description of the God as Cause and Effect. Learning how to cook is one such example of the help sought from cause and effect.
16 Guide us to the maintained path
17 path (of) those You blessed on them, not the angered on them, and nor the strayers.
The God is above anger, but I am not sure which word is should be understood.
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Peace be upon you,
Anyone else?
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Peace all,
Thank you for your participation in the project! Hope that in time more people will get involved and share their understanding of the Quran with us here
Before we finish on the first surah, I would like to draw your attention to some specific terms that appear in it. First of them al-aalamin (wonder that the definite article al- is of some importance!)
This term looks rather straightforward. According to most dictionaries and the all-favourite Burhan, it can be translated into various ways and has many derivatives
Root ayn-lam-mim
Meanings
Universe, worlds, world (12, 2251, 528, 645, 671, 6162, 754, 761, 767, 7104, 7121, 1010, 1037, 2191, 21107, 251, 2616, 2623, 2647, 2677, 2698, 26109, 26127, 26145, 26164, 26180, 26192, 278, 2744, 2830, 2998, 322, 3787, 37182, 3887, 3975, 4064, 4065, 4066, 419, 4346, 4536, 5680, 5916, 6852, 6943, 8127, 8129, 836) aalamina
Know (213, 222, 226, 230) yaalamun, taalamun
Be fully aware, have perfect knowledge, omniscient, knower (229, 232, 295, 2181) aaleemun
Teach (231, 232, 2239) aallama
Knowledge (232, 2247) aailma
Others, other people/ creatures, nations, people, males, females (247, 2251, 333, 342, 396, 520, 5115, 686, 690, 780, 7140, 12;104, 2171, 2191, 21;107, 251, 26165, 2910, 2915, 2998, 3779, 4432, 4516) al-aalamina
Anyone, any creatures (397, 1570, 296) al-aalamina
Knowledgable (3022)
Well-known, specified (2 197) maaloomatun
Knower (5109) aalamHowever, I found the noun al-alamina a little more complicated. Let the Quran itself speak. Here are the contexts
General context
12
Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe.
Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameena
4536
Then Praise be to Allah, Lord of the heavens and Lord of the earth,- Lord and Cherisher of all the Worlds!
To GOD belongs all praise; Lord of the heavens, Lord of the earth, Lord of the universe.
Falillahi alhamdu rabbi alssamawatiwarabbi al-ardi rabbi alAAalameenaBani Israil
247
Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other (for My Message).
O Children of Israel, remember My favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I blessed you more than any other people.
Ya banee isra-eela othkurooniAAmatiya allatee anAAamtu AAalaykum waannee faddaltukumAAala alAAalameena
2122
O Children of Israel! call to mind the special favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all others (for My Message).
O Children of Israel, remember My favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I blessed you more than any other people.
Ya banee isra-eela othkurooniAAmatiya allatee anAAamtu AAalaykum waannee faddaltukumAAala alAAalameena
4432
And We chose them aforetime above the nations, knowingly,
We have chosen them from among all the people, knowingly.
Walaqadi ikhtarnahum AAalaAAilmin AAala alAAalameena
4516
We did aforetime grant to the Children of Israel the Book the Power of Command, and Prophethood; We gave them, for Sustenance, things good and pure; and We favoured them above the nations.
We have given the Children of Israel the scripture, wisdom, and prophethood, and provided them with good provisions; we bestowed upon them more blessings than any other people
Walaqad atayna banee isra-eelaalkitaba waalhukma waalnnubuwwatawarazaqnahum mina alttayyibati wafaddalnahumAAala alAAalameenaProphets, messengers and the righteous
In general
37182
And Praise to Allah, the Lord and Cherisher of the Worlds.
Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe.
Waalhamdu lillahirabbi alAAalameenaIbrahim
2131
Behold! his Lord said to him "Bow (thy will to Me)" He said "I bow (my will) to the Lord and Cherisher of the Universe."
When his Lord said to him, "Submit," he said, "I submit to the Lord of the universe."
Ith qala lahu rabbuhu aslim qalaaslamtu lirabbi alAAalameena
2677
"For they are enemies to me; not so the Lord and Cherisher of the Worlds;
"I am against them, for I am devoted only to the Lord of the universe.
Fa-innahum AAaduwwun lee illa rabbaalAAalameena
3787
"Then what is your idea about the Lord of the worlds?"
"What do you think of the Lord of the universe?"
Fama thannukum birabbialAAalameenaMusa and Harun
5;20
Remember Moses said to his people "O my people! Call in remembrance the favour of Allah unto you, when He produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the peoples.
Recall that Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember GOD's blessings upon you He appointed prophets from among you, made you kings, and granted you what He never granted any other people.
Wa-ith qala moosaliqawmihi ya qawmi othkuroo niAAmata AllahiAAalaykum ith jaAAala feekum anbiyaa wajaAAalakummulookan waatakum ma lam yu/ti ahadanmina alAAalameena
7104
Moses said "O Pharaoh! I am a messenger from the Lord of the worlds,-
Moses said, "O Pharaoh, I am a messenger from the Lord of the universe.
Waqala moosa yafirAAawnu innee rasoolun min rabbi alAAalameena
7140
He said "Shall I seek for you a god other than the (true) Allah, when it is Allah Who hath endowed you with gifts above the nations?"
"Shall I seek for you other than GOD to be your god, when He has blessed you more than anyone else in the world?"
Qala aghayra Allahi abgheekumilahan wahuwa faddalakum AAala alAAalameena
2616
"So go forth, both of you, to Pharaoh, and say 'We have been sent by the Lord and Cherisher of the worlds;
"Go to Pharaoh and say, `We are messengers from the Lord of the universe.'
Fa/tiya firAAawna faqoola innarasoolu rabbi alAAalameena
278
But when he came to the (fire), a voice was heard "Blessed are those in the fire and those around and glory to Allah, the Lord of the worlds.
When he came to it, he was called "Blessed is the One (who is speaking from) within the fire, and those around it." Glory be to GOD, Lord of the universe.
Falamma jaaha noodiya anboorika man fee alnnari waman hawlahawasubhana Allahi rabbi alAAalameena
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But when he came to the (fire), a voice was heard from the right bank of the valley, from a tree in hallowed ground "O Moses! Verily I am Allah, the Lord of the Worlds....
When he reached it, he was called from the edge of the right side of the valley, in the blessed spot where the burning bush was located "O Moses, this is Me. GOD; Lord of the universe
Falamma ataha noodiyamin shati-i alwadi al-aymani fee albuqAAati almubarakatimina alshshajarati an ya moosa innee anaAllahu rabbu alAAalameena
4346
We did send Moses aforetime, with Our Signs, to Pharaoh and his Chiefs He said, "I am a messenger of the Lord of the Worlds."
For example, we sent Moses with our proofs to Pharaoh and his elders, proclaiming "I am a messenger from the Lord of the universe."
Walaqad arsalna moosa bi-ayatinaila firAAawna wamala-ihi faqala innee rasoolu rabbialAAalameenaDawud
2251
By Allah's will they routed them; and David slew Goliath; and Allah gave him power and wisdom and taught him whatever (else) He willed. And did not Allah Check one set of people by means of another, the earth would indeed be full of mischief But Allah is full of bounty to all the worlds.
They defeated them by GOD's leave, and David killed Goliath. GOD gave him kingship and wisdom, and taught him as He willed. If it were not for GOD's support of some people against others, there would be chaos on earth. But GOD showers His grace upon the people.
Fahazamoohum bi-ithni Allahiwaqatala dawoodu jaloota waatahu Allahualmulka waalhikmata waAAallamahu mimma yashaowalawla dafAAu Allahi alnnasa baAAdahumbibaAAdin lafasadati al-ardu walakinna Allahathoo fadlin AAala alAAalameenaIsa
5115
Allah said "I will send it down unto you But if any of you after that resisteth faith, I will punish him with a penalty such as I have not inflicted on any one among all the peoples."
GOD said, "I am sending it down. Anyone among you who disbelieves after this, I will punish him as I never punished anyone else."
Qala Allahu innee munazziluhaAAalaykum faman yakfur baAAdu minkum fa-innee oAAaththibuhuAAathaban la oAAaththibuhu ahadanmina alAAalameenaMaryam
342
Behold! the angels said "O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.
The angels said, "O Mary, GOD has chosen you and purified you. He has chosen you from all the women.
Wa-ith qalati almala-ikatuya maryamu inna Allaha istafaki watahharakiwaistafaki AAala nisa-i alAAalameena
2191
And (remember) her who guarded her chastity We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples.
As for the one who maintained her virginity, we blew into her from our spirit, and thus, we made her and her son a portent for the whole world.
Waallatee ahsanat farjahafanafakhna feeha min roohinawajaAAalnaha waibnaha ayatanlilAAalameenaMuhammad
671
Say "Shall we indeed call on others besides Allah,- things that can do us neither good nor harm,- and turn on our heels after receiving guidance from Allah? - like one whom the evil ones have made into a fool, wandering bewildered through the earth, his friends calling, come to us', (vainly) guiding him to the path." Say "Allah's guidance is the (only) guidance, and we have been directed to submit ourselves to the Lord of the worlds;-
Say, "Shall we implore, beside GOD, what possesses no power to benefit us or hurt us, and turn back on our heels after GOD has guided us? In that case, we would join those possessed by the devils, and rendered utterly confused, while their friends try to save them `Stay with us on the right path.' " Say, "GOD's guidance is the right guidance. We are commanded to submit to the Lord of the universe.
Qul anadAAoo min dooni Allahi mala yanfaAAuna wala yadurrunawanuraddu AAala aAAqabina baAAda ithhadana Allahu kaallathee istahwat-hualshshayateenu fee al-ardi hayranalahu as-habun yadAAoonahu ila alhudai/tina qul inna huda Allahi huwa alhudawaomirna linuslima lirabbi alAAalameena
12104
And no reward dost thou ask of them for this it is no less than a message for all creatures.
You are not asking them for any money; you simply deliver this reminder for all the people.
Wama tas-aluhum AAalayhi min ajrinin huwa illa thikrun lilAAalameena
21107
We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures.
We have sent you out of mercy from us towards the whole world.
Wama arsalnaka illa rahmatanlilAAalameena
4066
Say "I have been forbidden to invoke those whom ye invoke besides Allah,- seeing that the Clear Signs have come to me from my Lord; and I have been commanded to bow (in Islam) to the Lord of the Worlds."
Say, "I have been enjoined from worshipping the idols you worship beside GOD, when the clear revelations came to me from my Lord. I was commanded to submit to the Lord of the universe."
Qul innee nuheetu an aAAbuda allatheenatadAAoona min dooni Allahi lamma jaaniyaalbayyinatu min rabbee waomirtu an oslima lirabbi alAAalameena
419
Say Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds.
Say, "You disbelieve in the One who created the earth in two days, and you set up idols to rank with Him, though He is Lord of the universe."
Qul a-innakum latakfuroona biallatheekhalaqa al-arda fee yawmayni watajAAaloona lahu andadanthalika rabbu alAAalameenaNuh
761
He said "O my people! No wandering is there in my (mind) on the contrary I am a messenger from the Lord and Cherisher of the worlds!
He said, "O my people, I am not astray; I am a messenger from the Lord of the universe.
Qala ya qawmi laysa bee dalalatunwalakinnee rasoolun min rabbi alAAalameena
26109
"No reward do I ask of you for it my reward is only from the Lord of the Worlds
"I do not ask you for any wage. My wage comes from the Lord of the universe.
Wama as-alukum AAalayhi min ajrin inajriya illa AAala rabbi alAAalameena
2915
But We saved him and the companions of the Ark, and We made the (Ark) a Sign for all peoples!
We saved him and those who accompanied him in the ark, and we set it up as a lesson for all the people.
Faanjaynahu waas-haba alssafeenatiwajaAAalnaha ayatan lilAAalameena
3779
"Peace and salutation to Noah among the nations!"
Peace be upon Noah among the peoples.
Salamun AAala noohinfee alAAalameenaHud
767
He said "O my people! I am no imbecile, but (I am) a messenger from the Lord and Cherisher of the worlds!
He said, "O my people, there is no foolishness in me; I am a messenger from the Lord of the universe.
Qala ya qawmi laysa bee safahatunwalakinnee rasoolun min rabbi alAAalameena
26127
"No reward do I ask of you for it my reward is only from the Lord of the Worlds.
"I do not ask you for any wage; my wage comes from the Lord of the universe.
Wama as-alukum AAalayhi min ajrin inajriya illa AAala rabbi alAAalameenaLut
780
We also (sent) Lut He said to his people "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you?
Lot said to his people, "You commit such an abomination; no one in the world has done it before!
Walootan ith qalaliqawmihi ata/toona alfahishata ma sabaqakum bihamin ahadin mina alAAalameena
2171
But We delivered him and (his nephew) Lut (and directed them) to the land which We have blessed for the nations.
We saved him, and we saved Lot, to the land that we blessed for all the people.
Wanajjaynahu walootan ilaal-ardi allatee barakna feeha lilAAalameena
26164
"No reward do I ask of you for it my reward is only from the lord of the Worlds.
"I do not ask you for any wage; my wage comes only from the Lord of the universe.
Wama as-alukum AAalayhi min ajrin inajriya illa AAala rabbi alAAalameena
26165
"Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males,
"Do you have sex with the males, of all the people?
Ata/toona alththukranamina alAAalameena
2998
And (remember) Lut behold, he said to his people "Ye do commit lewdness, such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you.
Lot said to his people, "You commit such an abomination, no one in the world has ever done it before you.
Walootan ith qalaliqawmihi innakum lata/toona alfahishata masabaqakum biha min ahadin mina alAAalameenaSaleh
26145
"No reward do I ask of you for it my reward is only from the Lord of the Worlds.
"I do not ask you for any wage; my wage comes only from the Lord of the universe.
Wama as-alukum AAalayhi min ajrin inajriya illa AAala rabbi alAAalameenaShuaib
26180
"No reward do I ask of you for it my reward is only from the Lord of the Worlds.
"I do not ask you for any wage; my wage comes only from the Lord of the universe.
Wama as-alukum AAalayhi min ajrin inajriya illa AAala rabbi alAAalameenaQueen of Sheba
2744
She was asked to enter the lofty Palace but when she saw it, she thought it was a lake of water, and she (tucked up her skirts), uncovering her legs. He said "This is but a palace paved smooth with slabs of glass." She said "O my Lord! I have indeed wronged my soul I do (now) submit (in Islam), with Solomon, to the Lord of the Worlds."
She was told, "Go inside the palace." When she saw its interior, she thought it was a pool of water, and she (pulled up her dress,) exposing her legs. He said, "This interior is now paved with crystal." She said, "My Lord, I have wronged my soul. I now submit with Solomon to GOD, Lord of the universe."
Qeela laha odkhulee alssarhafalamma raat-hu hasibat-hu lujjatan wakashafat AAansaqayha qala innahu sarhunmumarradun min qawareera qalat rabbi innee thalamtunafsee waaslamtu maAAa sulaymana lillahi rabbi alAAalameenaOthers
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Allah did choose Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,-
GOD has chosen Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Amram (as messengers) to the people.
Inna Allaha istafa adamawanoohan waala ibraheema waala AAimranaAAala alAAalameena645
Of the wrong-doers the last remnant was cut off. Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher of the worlds.
The wicked are thus annihilated. Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe.
FaqutiAAa dabiru alqawmi allatheenathalamoo waalhamdu lillahirabbi alAAalameena686
And Isma'il and Elisha, and Jonas, and Lot and to all We gave favour above the nations
And Ismail, Elisha, Jonah, and Lot; each of these we distinguished over all the people.
Wa-ismaAAeela wailyasaAAawayoonusa walootan wakullan faddalna AAalaalAAalameena690
Those were the (prophets) who received Allah's guidance Copy the guidance they received; Say "No reward for this do I ask of you This is no less than a message for the nations."
These are the ones guided by GOD; you shall be guided in their footsteps. Say, "I do not ask you for any wage. This is but a message for all the people."
Ola-ika allatheena hadaAllahu fabihudahumu iqtadih qul la as-alukumAAalayhi ajran in huwa illa thikra lilAAalameena1010 The righteous in Paradise
(This will be) their cry therein "Glory to Thee, O Allah!" And "Peace" will be their greeting therein! and the close of their cry will be "Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds!"
Their prayer therein is "Be You glorified, our god," their greeting therein is, "Peace," and their ultimate prayer is "Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe."
DaAAwahum feeha subhanakaallahumma watahiyyatuhum feeha salamunwaakhiru daAAwahum ani alhamdu lillahirabbi alAAalameena (=12!)One of the two sons of Adam
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"If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee for I do fear Allah, the cherisher of the worlds.
"If you extend your hand to kill me, I am not extending my hand to kill you. For I reverence GOD, Lord of the universe.
La-in basatta ilayya yadakalitaqtulanee ma ana bibasitin yadiyailayka li-aqtulaka innee akhafu Allaha rabba alAAalameenaAlso the unrighteous refer to Rabbi al-aalamin
Pharaoh?s sorcerers
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Saying "We believe in the Lord of the Worlds,-
They said, "We believe in the Lord of the universe.
Qaloo amanna birabbialAAalameena
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Saying "We believe in the Lord of the Worlds,
They said, "We believe in the Lord of the universe.
Qaloo amanna birabbialAAalameenaPaharoh himself
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Pharaoh said "And what is the 'Lord and Cherisher of the worlds'?"
Pharaoh said, "What is the Lord of the universe?"
Qala firAAawnu wama rabbu alAAalameenaInhabitants of Lut?s city
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They said "Did we not forbid thee (to speak) for all and sundry?"
They said, "Did we not enjoin you from contacting anyone?"
Qaloo awa lam nanhaka AAani alAAalameenaInhabitants of Hell
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"'When we held you as equals with the Lord of the Worlds;
"How could we set you up to rank with the Lord of the universe?
Ith nusawweekum birabbi alAAalameenaShaitan
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(Their allies deceived them), like the Evil One, when he says to man, "Deny Allah" but when (man) denies Allah, (the Evil One) says, "I am free of thee I do fear Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!"
They are like the devil he says to the human being, "Disbelieve," then as soon as he disbelieves, he says, "I disown you. I fear GOD, Lord of the universe."
Kamathali alshshaytani ithqala lil-insani okfur falamma kafara qalainnee baree-on minka innee akhafu Allaha rabba alAAalameenaIt is mentioned in the context of God?s signs and blessings
God?s signs
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The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings
The most important shrine established for the people is the one in Becca; a blessed beacon for all the people.
Inna awwala baytin wudiAAa lilnnasilallathee bibakkata mubarakan wahudan lilAAalameena
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In it are Signs Manifest; (for example), the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah,- those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith, Allah stands not in need of any of His creatures.
In it are clear signs the station of Abraham. Anyone who enters it shall be granted safe passage. The people owe it to GOD that they shall observe Hajj to this shrine, when they can afford it. As for those who disbelieve, GOD does not need anyone.
Feehi ayatun bayyinatunmaqamu ibraheema waman dakhalahu kana aminanwalillahi AAala alnnasi hijjualbayti mani istataAAa ilayhi sabeelan waman kafarafa-inna Allaha ghaniyyun AAani alAAalameena
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These are the Signs of Allah We rehearse them to thee in Truth And Allah means no injustice to any of His creatures.
These are GOD's revelations; we recite them to you, truthfully. GOD does not wish any hardship for the people.
Tilka ayatu Allahinatlooha AAalayka bialhaqqi wama Allahuyureedu thulman lilAAalameena
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Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority) He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds!
Your Lord is the one GOD, who created the heavens and the earth in six days, then assumed all authority. The night overtakes the day, as it pursues it persistently, and the sun, the moon, and the stars are committed to serve by His command. Absolutely, He controls all creation and all commands. Most Exalted is GOD, Lord of the universe.
Inna rabbakumu Allahu allatheekhalaqa alssamawati waal-ardafee sittati ayyamin thumma istawa AAalaalAAarshi yughshee allayla alnnahara yatlubuhuhatheethan waalshshamsa waalqamara waalnnujoomamusakhkharatin bi-amrihi ala lahu alkhalqu waal-amrutabaraka Allahu rabbu alAAalameena
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And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variations in your languages and your colours verily in that are Signs for those who know.
Among His proofs are the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variations in your languages and your colors. In these, there are signs for the knowledgeable.
Wamin ayatihi khalqu alssamawatiwaal-ardi waikhtilafu alsinatikumwaalwanikum inna fee thalika laayatinlilAAalimeena
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It is Allah Who has made for you the earth as a resting place, and the sky as a canopy, and has given you shape- and made your shapes beautiful,- and has provided for you Sustenance, of things pure and good;- such is Allah your Lord. So Glory to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!
GOD is the One who rendered the earth habitable for you, and the sky a formidable structure, and He designed you, and designed you well. He is the One who provides you with good provisions. Such is GOD your Lord; Most Exalted is GOD, Lord of the universe.
Allahu allathee jaAAala lakumual-arda qararan waalssamaa binaanwasawwarakum faahsana suwarakum warazaqakummina alttayyibati thalikumu Allahurabbukum fatabaraka Allahu rabbu alAAalameenaMankind and God esp with associations of the Day of Recompense 296
And if any strive (with might and main), they do so for their own souls for Allah is free of all needs from all creation.
Those who strive, strive for their own good. GOD is in no need of anyone.
Waman jahada fa-innama yujahidulinafsihi inna Allaha laghaniyyun AAani alAAalameena
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Then there are among men such as say, "We believe in Allah"; but when they suffer affliction in (the cause of) Allah, they treat men's oppression as if it were the Wrath of Allah! And if help comes (to thee) from thy Lord, they are sure to say, "We have (always) been with you!" Does not Allah know best all that is in the hearts of all creation?
Among the people there are those who say, "We believe in GOD," but as soon as they suffer any hardship because of GOD, they equate the people's persecution with GOD's retribution. But if blessings from your Lord come your way, they say, "We were with you." Is GOD not fully aware of the people's innermost thoughts?
Wamina alnnasi man yaqoolu amannabiAllahi fa-itha oothiya fee AllahijaAAala fitnata alnnasi kaAAathabi Allahiwala-in jaa nasrun min rabbika layaqoolunna innakunna maAAakum awa laysa Allahu bi-aAAlama bimafee sudoori alAAalameena
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And thou wilt see the angels surrounding the Throne (Divine) on all sides, singing Glory and Praise to their Lord. The Decision between them (at Judgment) will be in (perfect) justice, and the cry (on all sides) will be, "Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!"
You will see the angels floating around the throne, glorifying and praising their Lord. After the equitable judgment is issued to all, it will be proclaimed "Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe."
Watara almala-ikata haffeenamin hawli alAAarshi yusabbihoona bihamdirabbihim waqudiya baynahum bialhaqqi waqeelaalhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameena
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He is the Living (One) There is no god but He Call upon Him, giving Him sincere devotion. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds!
He is the Living; there is no god except He. You shall worship Him alone, devoting your religion absolutely to Him alone. Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe.
Huwa alhayyu la ilahailla huwa faodAAoohu mukhliseena lahu alddeenaalhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameena
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A Day when (all) mankind will stand before the Lord of the Worlds?
That is the day when all people will stand before the Lord of the universe.
Yawma yaqoomu alnnasu lirabbialAAalameenaMessage/ revelation/ guidance
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Those were the (prophets) who received Allah's guidance Copy the guidance they received; Say "No reward for this do I ask of you This is no less than a message for the nations."
These are the ones guided by GOD; you shall be guided in their footsteps. Say, "I do not ask you for any wage. This is but a message for all the people."
Ola-ika allatheena hadaAllahu fabihudahumu iqtadih qul la as-alukumAAalayhi ajran in huwa illa thikra lilAAalameena
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Say "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds
Say, "My Contact Prayers (Salat), my worship practices, my life and my death, are all devoted absolutely to GOD alone, the Lord of the universe.
Qul inna salatee wanusukeewamahyaya wamamatee lillahi rabbialAAalameena
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YA] This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.
This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than GOD. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe.
Wama kana hatha alqur-anuan yuftara min dooni Allahi walakin tasdeeqaallathee bayna yadayhi watafseela alkitabi larayba feehi min rabbi alAAalameena
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Blessed is He who sent down the criterion to His servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures;-
Most blessed is the One who revealed the Statute Book to His servant, so he can serve as a warner to the whole world.
Tabaraka allathee nazzalaalfurqana AAala AAabdihi liyakoona lilAAalameenanatheeran
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Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds
This is a revelation from the Lord of the universe.
Wa-innahu latanzeelu rabbi alAAalameena
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(This is) the Revelation of the Book in which there is no doubt,- from the Lord of the Worlds.
The book is, without a doubt, a revelation from the Lord of the universe.
Tanzeelu alkitabi la raybafeehi min rabbi alAAalameena
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"This is no less than a Message to (all) the Worlds.
"This is a reminder for the world.
In huwa illa thikrun lilAAalameena
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A Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.
A revelation from the Lord of the universe.
Tanzeelun min rabbi alAAalameena
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But it is nothing less than a Message to all the worlds.
It is in fact a message to the world.
Wama huwa illa thikrunlilAAalameena
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(This is) a Message sent down from the Lord of the Worlds.
A revelation from the Lord of the universe.
Tanzeelun min rabbi alAAalameena
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Verily this is no less than a Message to (all) the Worlds
This is a message for all the people.
In huwa illa thikrun lilAAalameena
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But ye shall not will except as Allah wills,- the Cherisher of the Worlds.
Whatever you will is in accordance with the will of GOD, Lord of the universe.
Wama tashaoona illa anyashaa Allahu rabbu alAAalameenaFrom what I can see from the usage and contexts, al-aalamin refers rather to people, maybe even "knowledgeable" people, or aware of God's system, not inanimate "worlds"...
What do you think? Any comments?
With peace
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And here is something I cannot sort out?1244
They said "A confused medley of dreams and we are not skilled in the interpretation of dreams."
They said, "Nonsense dreams. When it comes to the interpretation of dreams, we are not knowledgeable."
Qaloo adghathu ahlaminwama nahnu bita/weeli al-ahlami biAAalimeena2151
We bestowed aforetime on Abraham his rectitude of conduct, and well were We acquainted with him.
Before that, we granted Abraham his guidance and understanding, for we were fully aware of him.
Walaqad atayna ibraheemarushdahu min qablu wakunna bihi Aaalimeenap.s.2
Dear Moderators, any chance for arranging the Group in a suggested-before way? -
Peace be upon you,
Since many have provided ample material to work with, I would expose only some conclusions based on the verses cited before.
For the word "ar-rahman"
I consider it to be "the original and the ultimate cause". An example could be like in running a computer simulation, you set all the parameters in advance, with a known set of rules or an algorithm, and you press ENTER, then the simulation begins instantly. (see 551-4 "552 ?llama al-quraan = defined the set of rules/laws )
The word "ar-rahim"
I don't know of a word in english for it, but I consider it to be like "the provider of the necessary hardwar" for the incubation of the simulation above. Like the womb and the baby.
The word "al-?lamin"
This one, I'm almost sure it means "the knowledgables". It's the plural of "?leem" as in "rahim" plural "rahimin" (7151 1264)
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peace All,
Is the following correct?
where ever the word 'baa (with) ' appears it is always connected to a verb which may be apparent or hidden. in the above example it is hidden and is implied. the verb is 'ashra oo (I begin)' and is implied at the end of the sentence since God's name is the most important part and so naturally is at the beginning.
correct translation is therefore ' with the name of Allah the most merciful the benificent I begin'
Nice analysis thus far.
There was also discussion on the following thread
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1035
Wakas
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Peace be upon you,
So everyone here so far sees the meaning of "rahman" to mean something along the lines of "causation" like a seed being planted?
And "rahim" is basically like the womb which, according tho the governing laws, brings the cause to the effect?
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Peace be upon you,
How does everyone see verse 17?
I do not agree with using "emotions" to describe the God who is above emotions. So what does everyone have for "anger"?
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Salaamun alaikum Layla,
Excellent idea starting this. I hope to learn and contribute as much as I can, insha Allah. Perhaps as well as an inquiry into the meanings, we can also see the flow of this sura from beginning to end. I was stimulated to this approach by this article
http//www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Q_Studies/Mirfatihah.html
This sura starts out with 'al-hamd' , a certain emotion which leads to looking for Allah who is
- rabb al-alameen
- ar-rahmaan and ar-raheem
- maliki yaum-ad-deen.
So here we're moving from recognition of 'rabb' (role of parenting in a cosmic sense) to ar-rahmaan and ar-raheem put together.
Then, we move to maliki yaum-ad-deen, our relationship with Allah is mentioned for the first time.
Next, verse 4 which says 'to you alone we serve and to you alone we seek 'istaan'. To me, the 'and' or 'wa' here is best translated as 'that is', i.e. 'na'budu' and 'nastain' are one and the same thing. 51/56 clarifies this by saying we are created ONLY to serve him, which means there's nothing else but serving Him. This is our relationship as a response to verse 3 above.
Verses 5 moves us towards this path which we defined in verse 4 and verse 6 shows indicators of that path.
Insha Allah, if we look at this 'flow' of sura 1, we will get a better feel of it, imho.
shukran wa salaam.
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Peace be with you all,
With pleasure I see that the project is slowly developing And must admit that I have already benefited a lot from an in-depth analysis of some of the Quranic terms and the comments that have appeared here and in other threads. I am sure that more is to come! I may be a bit sad that "alamin" does not necessarily mean "worlds" (it suited so nicely the dream people have of life on other planets...) but the truth should be more important than our wishful thinking.
I would like to suggest a closer look at the term connected with "alaamin" from 12, namely Rabb. Parwez stressed the importance of "Rabb" and "Rabubiyyat". Please look at http//www.toluislam.com/pub_online/exposition/glossary_o_to_r.htm#_Toc428590298. Any opinions?
Definitely, a closer look at the Quranic context would give us more information. Insha Allah, I will prepare that for us soon (unless somebody will be faster ).
I think that "hamd" is worth a deeper investigation too (a pity that the link about it has steered off the main point, however very interesting as well!) http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2161
What do you think about Omar's (pp.540-541) differentiation between malik and maalik (with an alif) that is, that the former refers to a king, and the latter a master (alif adding to an 'intensity'). Am I wrong or is it the only occurance of "maalik" in the Quran? If Omar's suggestion is right then the translation of "nabudu" into "(we) serve" would be more proper since no-one "worships" a master... But then, on the other hand, no-one worships a king either ?
I am in the process of preparing some materials on "yaumi ad-din" and "din" itself. So please be ready too! From the suggestions so far (and Aaron, thanks for your mail!), you tend to think in the same direction as I have in mind, i.e. that "yaum" does not imply a "day" but rather a more or less specific length of time e.g "era". Hope that it will get clearer, God willing.
Looking forward to your comments and opinions.
With peace
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Peace be with you,
Please look at the verses and the context of "yaumi ad-din".
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"And the curse shall be on thee till the day of Judgment."
"You have incurred My condemnation until the Day of Judgment."
Wa-inna AAalayka allaAAnata ila yawmialddeeni2682
"And who, I hope, will forgive me my faults on the day of Judgment.
"The One who hopefully will forgive my sins on the Day of Judgment.
Waallathee atmaAAu anyaghfira lee khatee-atee yawma alddeeni3720
They will say, "Ah! Woe to us! This is the Day of Judgment!"
They will say, "Woe to us; this is the Day of Judgment."
Waqaloo ya waylana hathayawmu alddeeni3878
"And My curse shall be on thee till the Day of Judgment."
"You have incurred My condemnation until the Day of Judgment."
Wa-inna AAalayka laAAnatee ila yawmialddeeni5712
They ask, "When will be the Day of Judgment and Justice?"
They question the Day of Judgment.
Yas-aloona ayyana yawmu alddeeni5656
Such will be their entertainment on the Day of Requital!
Such is their share on the Day of Judgment.
Hatha nuzuluhum yawma alddeeni7026
And those who hold to the truth of the Day of Judgment;
They believe in the Day of Judgment
Waallatheena yusaddiqoonabiyawmi alddeeni7446
"And we used to deny the Day of Judgment,
"We disbelieved in the Day of Judgment.
Wakunna nukaththibu biyawmi alddeeni8215
Which they will enter on the Day of Judgment,
Will incur it on the Day of Judgment.
Yaslawnaha yawma alddeeni8217
And what will explain to thee what the Day of Judgment is?
Awesome is the Day of Judgment.
Wama adraka ma yawmu alddeeni8218
Again, what will explain to thee what the Day of Judgment is?
What a day; the Day of Judgment!
Thumma ma adraka mayawmu alddeeni8311
Those that deny the Day of Judgment.
They do not believe in the Day of Judgment.
Allatheena yukaththiboonabiyawmi alddeeniAny reflections?
With peace
