Five Prayers Per Day
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A verse I neglected (amongst others)
"Surely I am Allah, there is no god but I, therefore serve Me and keep up prayer for My remembrance."
Qur'an 2014
It is true that we are told to remember Allah (SWT) "standing, sitting and lying on our sides" (3191), but surely that is in between the prayers since if we forget Allah (SWT) then we will forget to pray. i.e. we remember Him on a conscious level (between salaat) and an active level (salaat).
"Those who remember Allah standing and sitting and lying on their sides and reflect on the creation of the heavens and the earth Our Lord! Thou hast not created this in vain! Glory be to Thee; save us then from the chastisement of the fire..."
Qur'an 3191
This conforms to 5040 in which we are instructed to glorify Him after prostrations (prayers). To my understanding, the remembrance itself is kept up (re-established) via prayer.
"Remembering" always (to my knowledge) involves a recital or imploring
"And remember your Lord within yourself humbly and fearing and in a voice not loud in the morning and the evening and be not of the heedless ones."
Qur'an 7205
6210 in my original post establishes remembrances as a means to be successful, and hence it is an active function maintained by prayer.
Regardless, it is difficult to deny five prayers since we are expected to halt our day-to-day activities (e.g. trading) to establish prayer.
I will look at this more tomorrow.
khuda hafiz
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A verse I neglected (amongst others)
"Surely I am Allah, there is no god but I, therefore serve Me and keep up prayer for My remembrance."
Qur'an 2014
It is true that we are told to remember Allah (SWT) "standing, sitting and lying on our sides" (3191), but surely that is in between the prayers since if we forget Allah (SWT) then we will forget to pray. i.e. we remember Him on a conscious level (between salaat) and an active level (salaat).
"Those who remember Allah standing and sitting and lying on their sides and reflect on the creation of the heavens and the earth Our Lord! Thou hast not created this in vain! Glory be to Thee; save us then from the chastisement of the fire..."
Qur'an 3191
This conforms to 5040 in which we are instructed to glorify Him after prostrations (prayers). To my understanding, the remembrance itself is kept up (re-established) via prayer.
"Remembering" always (to my knowledge) involves a recital or imploring
"And remember your Lord within yourself humbly and fearing and in a voice not loud in the morning and the evening and be not of the heedless ones."
Qur'an 7205
6210 in my original post establishes remembrances as a means to be successful, and hence it is an active function maintained by prayer.
Regardless, it is difficult to deny five prayers since we are expected to halt our day-to-day activities (e.g. trading) to establish prayer.
I will look at this more tomorrow.
khuda hafiz
salaam dear Mesmorial,
If you stick to what you observed and do not let the revisionists of Islam convince you that words in the Quran have different meanings that what Muslims have believed for over 1400 years, no one will be able to take away the Five daily prayers from you. They reinvent meanings for words, they claim there are no physical prostrations, but we have a mind and a physical body and prostration is both spiritual and physical. So congatulations for your unbiased research, and beware of this forum where people have completely disconnected with Quran. This is my honnest advice. They destroyed a number of people.
I will add that the afternoon prayer is not only obvious because we can only have a middle with four, but we are commanded to glorify God before the sun's disappearance and it coincides directly with the 'Asr time frameFirst proof (20130) So be patient regarding what they say, and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before the rising of the sun (Dawn Quranic time frame) and before its disappearance (direct intersection with the Afternoon time Quranic frame)?
Second proof (5039) So be patient regarding what they say, and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before sunset (direct intersection with the Afternoon Quranic time frame).In other words, the "Middle" 'Asr Salaat is a done deal.
As I said in my articles (summary http//www.islamrevolution.org/salaatsummary.htm, main article http//www.islamrevolution.org/salaatinquran.htm), you cannot pray the Noon prayer at 'Asr. Also what really helps to have a clear understanding of the FIVE Salaat time frames are the FIVE Quranic time frames in a day outlined with absolute precision in the Quran, which happen to match perfectly the FIVE times prescribed for Salaat in the Quran. I quoted them precisely in the articles.Praise God, Lord of the universe.
Pierre
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salaam dear Mesmorial,
If you stick to what you observed and do not let the revisionists of Islam convince you that words in the Quran have different meanings that what Muslims have believed for over 1400 years, no one will be able to take away the Five daily prayers from you. They reinvent meanings for words, they claim there are no physical prostrations, but we have a mind and a physical body and prostration is both spiritual and physical. So congatulations for your unbiased research, and beware of this forum where people have completely disconnected with Quran. This is my honnest advice. They destroyed a number of people.
I will add that the afternoon prayer is not only obvious because we can only have a middle with four, but we are commanded to glorify God before the sun's disappearance and it coincides directly with the 'Asr time frameFirst proof (20130) So be patient regarding what they say, and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before the rising of the sun (Dawn Quranic time frame) and before its disappearance (direct intersection with the Afternoon time Quranic frame)?
Second proof (5039) So be patient regarding what they say, and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before sunset (direct intersection with the Afternoon Quranic time frame).In other words, the "Middle" 'Asr Salaat is a done deal.
As I said in my articles (summary http//www.islamrevolution.org/salaatsummary.htm, main article http//www.islamrevolution.org/salaatinquran.htm), you cannot pray the Noon prayer at 'Asr. Also what really helps to have a clear understanding of the FIVE Salaat time frames are the FIVE Quranic time frames in a day outlined with absolute precision in the Quran, which happen to match perfectly the FIVE times prescribed for Salaat in the Quran. I quoted them precisely in the articles.Praise God, Lord of the universe.
Pierre
U really believe that the quran is a set of rituals that allah gave to prophet Mohamed to give to humanity ?
Or u defending th e rituals because rasha khalfa said it came with TAWATUR ? why do u believe in prayers and not is the other hadiths ? -
Salam to all.
Verse 11.114 in my opinion Allah swt is talking about the two prayers at the end of the day AT THE NEARNESS TO NIGHT. wazullafan is a plural indefinite (Hence the AT, and not The nearness to night) noun - that is used to name or identify a person, place, thing, quality, or action. In this case Allah swt is telling us how to perform the action that is to pray these prayers at the night side of the days.
Respectfully yours
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Salaam Pierre;
Thankyou and I have looked at the summary of your article. It seems very good although I base my understandings purely on what I read and not on Code 19 because the Qur'an is to be clear. However that is another matter and thanks again. I agree overall with the summary.
"Therefore be patient of what they say, and sing the praise of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before the setting."
Qur'an 5039
The following ayah provides yet further evidence that it is referring to prayer, but also that glorification is not confined to the prescribed prayer (hence while lying down)
"And glorify Him in the night and after the prayers."
Qur'an 5040
So in short I am thinking that glorification is to be continued in between and after the specific times mentioned (i.e. salaat times).
Khuda hafiz
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Salam to all.
Verse 11.114 in my opinion Allah swt is talking about the two prayers at the end of the day AT THE NEARNESS TO NIGHT. wazullafan is a plural indefinite (Hence the AT, and not The nearness to night) noun - that is used to name or identify a person, place, thing, quality, or action. In this case Allah swt is telling us how to perform the action that is to pray these prayers at the night side of the days.
Respectfully yours
Simone sunPeace, Simone;
The word "wa" (and) is what makes me to understand it as three prayers. However the verses which to me indicate the night prayer are 3017-18. I accidentally quoted these only as 3017 in my original post.
"Surely the rising by night is the firmest way to tread and the best corrective of speech. Surely you have in the day time a long occupation. And remember the name of your Lord and devote yourself to Him with (exclusive) devotion."
Qur'an 76-8
"Then when you have finished the prayer, remember Allah standing and sitting and reclining; but when you are secure (from danger) keep up prayer; surely prayer is a timed ordinance for the believers."
Qur'an 43
Now the above ayah suggests that remembrance is only different under certain circumstances.
Thankyou for your insight.
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Salam
Sorry I meant to put At the nearness to night not And the nearness to night. This word is a Noun indefinite plural why is it plural because Allah swt is giving us a time frame for these two prayers.
Peace
Simone sun -
Salaaman brother MesMorial,
?And keep up prayer in the two parts of the day and in the first hours of the night; surely good deeds take away evil deeds; this is a reminder to the mindful.?
Qur?an 11114
The above lists three prayers.
The above list only two as per my understanding. 11114 starts with same as in 1778
11114
1778Aqeemi AlSalaata in 1778 and 11114 both words are singular. Talking about single Salaat continues with the duration/length of Salaat.
1778 Hold the contact prayer at the zenith of the sun, until the darkening of the night; and Quraan at dawn; Quraan at dawn is witnessed.
Ila = Until same as in 56, 2187. It talks about the length not separate from one part with another.
Important point to be noted in 1778 is 'Wa Quraana AlFajr'. Quraan simply means reading as in 7517-18 that means 'Read AlFajr' not talking about AlQuraan . It is very clear that 1778 is talking about Salaat. First Eishaan and then Fajr.
Same goes with 11114, that a single Salaat has to be made at the two ends/edges of the day, and another one is at the times of night.
?Bear then patiently what they say, and glorify your Lord by the praising of Him before the rising of the sun and before its setting, and during hours of the night do also glorify (Him) and during parts of the day, that you may be well pleased?
Qur?an 20130
As you said bro, 20130 is about glorifying not salaat as in 2441 both the words used Salaat and Tasbih.
If you notice timing given to glorify in 20130 is not the timings of Salaat. But 'Qabla Tulu'oo AlShamsi' is after the Salaat-AlFajr and 'Qabla Ghuroobiha' is before the Salaat AlEishan.
?Attend constantly to prayers and to the middle prayer and stand up truly obedient to Allah.?
Qur?an 2238
This is the fifth prayer, in between the other four. It is when the sun is midway down.
Please have a look at http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601300.0 for 2238
The Friday prayer is during daytime (a time not otherwise allocated for salaat (by word) in the Qur?an)
?O you who believe! when the call is made for prayer on Friday, then hasten to the remembrance of Allah and leave off trading; that is better for you, if you know. But when the prayer is ended, then disperse abroad in the land and seek of Allah?s grace, and remember Allah much, that you may be successful.?
Qur?an 629-10
During daytime... but when? At 1000, 1100, 1200, 100, 200, 300, 400, 500? How will you decide?
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan -
Salaam mmkhan
Just regarding Friday prayer, it would be at midday since this is a specific time allocated as a time for glorification. It could be at 3 pm but midday is most appropriate to the verse because people have more opportunity to go abroad and conduct business whilst a society devoted to Allah (SWT) would opt the earlier time for congregation and not the latter.
Peace
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There is a night prayer
"O you who believe! let those whom your right hands possess and those of you who have not attained to puberty ask permission of you three times; before the morning prayer, and when you put off your clothes at midday in summer, and after the prayer of the nightfall; these are three times of privacy for you; neither is it a sin for you nor for them besides these, some of you must go round about (waiting) upon others; thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, and Allah is Knowing, Wise."
Qur'an 2458
Now this is distinguished from the sunset/sunrise prayers (as they are interpreted) in 11114. There are at least four prayers according to this logic, along with a middle prayer which is perhaps one of the "parts" of the day (as I interpret it).
Aqeemi AlSalaata may be singular but it is like saying "establish the worship" (i.e. there is one mode of prayer/worship and that is the prayer of the Qur'an). Because of the word "until" I can agree with you on 1778 but not so much with 11114.
Peace brother.
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2238
Dear all,
Why are we dragging this subject for so long? Just see 2238. GOD SWT is commanding us to safeguard the SALAWAAT (it is a plural noun, it must be at least 3 salaats) plus/and the SALAATULWUSTAA (the middle salaat).
With careful attention, in order for the SALAWAAT +/and SALAATULWUSTA to have a middle number, then the SALAWAAT must be at least 4. So, the SALAWAAT + the SALAATULWUSTA must be at least 5.
Now, and after the above reasoning one can argue on the timing of each salaat according to other verses of The Qur?aan.
Peace,
Khalil -
Salaaman MesMorial,
Salaam mmkhan
Just regarding Friday prayer, it would be at midday since this is a specific time allocated as a time for glorification. It could be at 3 pm but midday is most appropriate to the verse because people have more opportunity to go abroad and conduct business whilst a society devoted to Allah (SWT) would opt the earlier time for congregation and not the latter.
Peace
Please take a look at the given link for Friday Prayer in my previous post.
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan -
Salaaman MesMorial,
There is a night prayer
"O you who believe! let those whom your right hands possess and those of you who have not attained to puberty ask permission of you three times; before the morning prayer, and when you put off your clothes at midday in summer, and after the prayer of the nightfall; these are three times of privacy for you; neither is it a sin for you nor for them besides these, some of you must go round about (waiting) upon others; thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, and Allah is Knowing, Wise."
Qur'an 2458
Eishaan = Evening not Night bro.
Layl = Night.
May Allah open our hearts for true understanding.
Mohammed M. Khan -
Salaaman MesMorial,
Please take a look at the given link for Friday Prayer in my previous post.
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. KhanPeace mmkhan;
I am not sure that you are accounting for a day prayer
?In houses which Allah has permitted to be exalted and that His name may be remembered in them; there glorify Him in the mornings and the evenings, Men whom neither merchandise nor selling diverts from the remembrance of Allah and the keeping up of prayer and the giving of poor-rate; they fear a day in which the hearts and eyes shall turn about.?
Qur?an 2436-37
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Peace.
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Salaaman Khalil,
2238
Dear all,
Why are we dragging this subject for so long? Just see 2238. GOD SWT is commanding us to safeguard the SALAWAAT (it is a plural noun, it must be at least 3 salaats) plus/and the SALAATULWUSTAA (the middle salaat).
With careful attention, in order for the SALAWAAT +/and SALAATULWUSTA to have a middle number, then the SALAWAAT must be at least 4. So, the SALAWAAT + the SALAATULWUSTA must be at least 5.
Now, and after the above reasoning one can argue on the timing of each salaat according to other verses of The Qur?aan.
Peace,
KhalilBrother Salawaat surely is plural that means at least three, but lemme ask you something.
If someone ask you to keep all the books in a rack/shelve and the red one also. How do you understanding this?
When you say ALL BOOKS why not RED BOOK is included in it? Cause, RED BOOK is not with those books, but it was in another place.
Similarly, when Allah said safeguard your AlSalawaat AND AlSalaat AlWusta, that means AlSalawaat is your regular Salaats and AlSalaat AlWusta is NOT included in those Salaats but it is Salaat AlJuma.
Another look
2458
2238
"AL" = The
Salaat + Al + Fajr - 2458
Salaat + Al + Eishaan - 2458Al + Salaat + Al + Wusta - 2238
May Allah increase us in knowledge.
Mohammed M. Khan -
Salaaman MesMorial,
Peace mmkhan;
I am not sure that you are accounting for a day prayer
?In houses which Allah has permitted to be exalted and that His name may be remembered in them; there glorify Him in the mornings and the evenings, Men whom neither merchandise nor selling diverts from the remembrance of Allah and the keeping up of prayer and the giving of poor-rate; they fear a day in which the hearts and eyes shall turn about.?
Qur?an 2436-37
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Peace.
I am sorry, I did not understand what you are trying to say, can you please explain.
Mohammed M. Khan
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Salaaman Khalil,
Brother Salawaat surely is plural that means at least three, but lemme ask you something.
If someone ask you to keep all the books in a rack/shelve and the red one also. How do you understanding this?
When you say ALL BOOKS why not RED BOOK is included in it? Cause, RED BOOK is not with those books, but it was in another place.
Similarly, when Allah said safeguard your AlSalawaat AND AlSalaat AlWusta, that means AlSalawaat is your regular Salaats and AlSalaat AlWusta is NOT included in those Salaats but it is Salaat AlJuma.
Another look
2458
2238
"AL" = The
Salaat + Al + Fajr - 2458
Salaat + Al + Eishaan - 2458Al + Salaat + Al + Wusta - 2238
May Allah increase us in knowledge.
Mohammed M. KhanThe Qur'an does not differentiate between the three prayers and the middle prayer. It tells us to guard them strictly (i.e. constantly) and therefore whether or not the middle prayer is a "normal" prayer we must observe it constantly (like the rest).
Peace
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Salaaman MesMorial,
I am sorry, I did not understand what you are trying to say, can you please explain.
Mohammed M. Khan
I am understanding that you observe two prayers per day (one at the ends of the day and one at night)? The ayah I quoted suggests that prayer is a part of the working day, also.
Peace
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Hello,
This whole thing about how many times we should pray has become so thoroughly frustrating. I do not speak Arabic therefore I can only read the Quran through translations. I keep seeing the arguments on both sides and I only see three prayers mentioned clearly from what I read and what you all are saying. It seems to me they are just being mentioned over and over again for redundancy. Also, what does a person do when they can't stop and pray at a certain time. I work in healthcare and I can't stop in the middle of administering CPR or dialysis to pray which means I will always miss morning prayer. Please help brothers and sisters your input and insight will be greatly appreciated.