In depth study on Salaat in Quran
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Salam Pierre
<<<I presented a study on Salaat based on the Quran, not Rashad. Am I perfect ? No.
I said the Quran is the perfect messenger, not Rashad.>>>So Ayman and Wakas claim too and many more here on this forum?Shall we say their research and understandings are correct?!
It?s indisputable that Quran is the perfect messenger ?The main point is that who is in control of teaching it to us? The One Who our guidance is in His Hands has promised if we reject His revelation He would put veils on our hearts not to understand it?No matter how much one try to extract the guidance from the Quran if God doesn?t Will the person doesn?t reap anything other than wickedness.
God specifically asks us that trust His Messengers?.If Rashad as His Messenger was on the wrong Path then by all means God the Most Merciful intentionally appointed a stray man as His Messenger to lead the people to the darkness regarding their Salat ,Zakt,Hajj and fasting?.Does that befit God in doing so?....Rashad died as he completed his mission?..As I said for 8 years he was told he was a messenger of God without telling to anybody and then God after 8 years asked him to announce his messngership?.Does that mean anything to you at all or would you want keep repeating your egoistic understanding?
It doesn?t matter how much you?ve done study about it, it doesn?t mean your understanding is correct. It doesn?t mean you?re guided better than Rashad regarding those rituals as he became imam to lead the people according to the below verse;We made them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, and we taught them how to work righteousness, and how to observe the Contact Prayers.
Rashad was a messenger and God made him to become an imam too.
Your ego is telling us that God didn?t guide him and it looks like you deserved to be a messenger rather than him.
<<<Can you show me one verse in the Quran which confirms the Chahadah he recited in his Salaat ?>>>
In your opinion since this part ?Wahdahu Laa Shareeka Lah? is not in those verses then we violating some command by declaring it.....Would you think Rashad didn?t notice that part is not written in 318?.....Would you think God let him declare it in his prayers and lead the people in their prayer too by setting a bad example and then asked him to say that he was God chosen one?
You don?t have answer to my questions and yet you say you believe in him as being a messenger.The second part of Shahada is reflection of essence of CH17111, CH112 and 1651.
<<<Over 20 years after Rashad's departure, we still have the right to study the Quran.>>>
We all should do...It?s our duty and command of God?..Who has onjection to it?
<<<The study I presented provides in my opinion a number of valuable remarks, and a sum of details I have not found elsewhere so far. The most valuable aspect is the explanation of the Salaat time frames. We need to understand that in depth, to help people not be fooled by people who lost the 5 Salawat. >>>
Isn?t it interesting that you think that your study of Salat which is purifying it after being purified by a messenger of God is the correct one? Wow what an inflated ego?.So you?re a messenger in disguise like those fake messenger after Rashad.
Regarding Rashad?s translation it?s up to the people and their level of their understanding and research when it comes studying it?No translation will ever convoy the whole message of the Quran without any mistakes one way or another because Quran the Scripture is in perfect Arabic ?.Your criticism could have some value if you could have given me one translation which is perfect??.a student of the Quran who does research always do his/her research based on Arabic Quran not on any translation ?.
Whatever you think of Rashad?s translation it doesn?t give you the right to think or say that you?ve got the truth in your hand.
I just recently did some research about ? bayni yadayhi wamin khalfihi? and noticed this translation by Edip&Layth1964-??we are not sent except by the command of your Lord. To Him is our present and our future, and all that is in-between. Your Lord was never to forget.
Such a simple verse gets wrongly translated just because the concept the meaning of the those words in that verse from the beginning was not correct. I leave it to the readers to find out about it.
You like traditionalist Muslims make the same mistake by claiming knowing the Arabic is essential in understanding the message of God while we all know the language is irrelevant?.You criticize Rashad?s translation because of the poor English or some words haven?t been correctly translated?.A sincere believer is after understanding the message of God in the his translation not perfect English version of the Quran because he/she knows that Quran is the Scripture not the translation.
You see yourself above Rashad.<<<In addition he sometimes misinterpreted the Quran, for instance he believed that satan is the Khalifa on earth, when it is Adam whom God appointed as a Khalifa on earth (satan is horribly jealous of that)>>>
This is your understanding?since it?s yours then please refrain accusing Rashad?s understanding as mistake.
As a matter of fact I had problem with that Khalifa being Adam for years befor become a submitter?.I had read so many explanation and opinions before that but never understood or accepted it was Adam?.As soon I read Rashad?s interpration puzzle was solved.
Adam wasn?t created and agnles didn?t know what God was going to create then how on earth they knew he was going to shed blood on earth except that they knew the one who God was talking about already had doen the feud in high heaven.<<<Also check in 1850 how Rashad mistranslated "he became a jinn" instead of "he was one of the jinns" (kaana minal jinni, ن.>>>
I believe you still don?t know or haven?t grasped the meaning of the word of Jinn.
<<<For Rashad's translation, look how many Submitters believe his translation is perfect. What happened with Rashad is the same as other messengers in the past some people started idolizing him. There are so many things you simply cannot understand from his translation if it is the only thing you read, because sometimes it is badly translated.
Example(2226) We appointed Abraham to establish the Shrine "You shall not idolize any other god beside Me, and purify My shrine for those who visit it (?!), those who live near it (?), and those who bow and prostrate. (Rashad' translation)>>>
Maybe if you would have taken the 2227 into account then you might have understood why Rashad translated the word of ?wal-qimna ' as ?those who live near it' to give the better understanding because visitors of the Kaaba go for circumbulation not for holiday and purifying the house is for both visitors and the people who live near it too not just for visitors.
He not only didn?t make a mistakes but also gave the depth purpose of meaning beyond the purifying the House of God.
I wouldn?t say your interpretation is wrong either?I only say that you can?t say he made mistakes.
Doing research on that word would give you an insight that how Rashad was right there.Well Pierre so far I only witnessed your ego by claiming how Rashad as a Messenger of God made mistakes and you are the guided one?Maybe we should take complain to God why He didn?t appoint you as His Messenger because you?re telling us to listen to you instead of him, shall we?!!
BTW I do not idolize Rashad?I know his translation is not perfect as Arabic Quran as you expect but I believe that his translation convoys the true message of God in best way. Please compare 2215 with those 25 translations and see how he beautifully translated that verse which teaches the whole essence of message of worshiping God Alone there.
Messengers of God are blessing from Him, let be appreciative of His blessing by trusting them as God demand us not trying destroying that trust in hearts of servants of God.
3164GOD has blessed the believers by raising in their midst a messenger from among them, to recite for them His revelations, and to purify them, and to teach them the scripture and wisdom. Before this, they had gone totally astray.
Asana
Salaam Asana,
I am not even remotely interested in claiming to be a messenger. What you said is purely your own statement, and it stays with you.
I truly believe there is nothing wrong about reciting the Quran during Salaat. During the Friday prayer, even you agree that an imam can recite the Quran, and even make his own speach with his own words. Why wouldn't we be allowed to recite the Quran, in addition to sura 1, as part of the two way communication with God in other prayers ? In my opinion, it does not make any sense. This is my belief, I respect yours. My study on Salaat is an depth study that does not claim to be perfect, and I made it clear before the main article, in case you missed it.For the Chahadah, God's words in 318 are enough. If the Chahadah during Salaat was what Rashad said, it would be outlined in its entirety in one phrase in the Quran. It is not the case. Based on what you said, I could say it is OK to add to the Chahadah "wa ash hadu anna Muhammad Rasul ullah" because this sentence is also found in the Quran. We cannot copy and paste whatever we want next to whatever we want. God's chahadah is enough, and the angels and those who have knowledge accept it (31. As for Rashad, he was simply a human being who made mistakes, he was sincere, he was a messenger, and it is on his sincerity that he will be judged. He simply opened the door to restore pure Islam.
For the issue of who the Khalifah is, Rashad wrote as a translation for 230
"Recall that your Lord said to the angels, 'I am placing a REPRESENTATIVE (a temporary god) on earth.' They said, 'will you place therein one who will spread evil therein and shed blood, while we sing your praises, glorify you, and uphold your absolute authority?' He said, 'I know what you do not know'."Here he wrote that satan is a "temporary god". This is simply false and inacceptable. There is no other god beside God. There is no such thing as a "temporary God". What the Quran says is "Khalifah", which has nothing to do with was he wrote. satan claims he is a god beside God, but it is a lie. La elaha ela Allah !
I don't believe that Rashad actually believed litterally what he wrote, but what a terrible thing to write ! This is the kind of things that shows that at times Rashad was way off the track. This is why I know for a fact that Rashad was only a messenger because he opened the way to Quran alone, rejected hadiths, purified the Quran, most of all purified the Chahadah. For the rest we simply cannot rely on everything he interpreted as Quranic truth.You can say whatever you want, satan, as an angel, was among those who were commanded to prostrate/submit before Adam (meaning symbolically the human race, Adam and his descent) because he had been appointed as the khalifah. The khalifah is in charge on earth, you have to serve the khalifah. Open your eyes and look how it is mankind who shapes planet earth. not satan. Contrary to what you said, Adam had to exist before the angels could actually prostrate before him. ) The angels rebelled (yes...rebelled) when God appointed Adam as the Khalifah, and objected that he was going to shed blood on earth. That was a great crime, because whatever God says, we have to obey inconditionnally. Most of them realized afterwards the magnitude of their sin and atoned for it. Human history has proven that indeed Adam (the human race) left a trail of blood behind him, and NOT satan, who is simply allowed to suggest sin. He is not the one who actually kills.
I have to stop here as I am in a hurry. I respect you to have seen the light that came with Rashad, despite his being completely human and imperfect, it is all I have to say.
Peace.
Pierre
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O David! Lo! We have set thee as a ruler in the earth; therefor judge aright between mankind, and follow not desire that it beguile thee from the way of Allah. Lo! those who wander from the way of Allah have an awful doom, forasmuch as they forgot the Day of Reckoning. 3826
To understand the quran u have to use other verses, Khalifa = Ruler
rashad missed this one two and u still testify that he was a messenger of god !
Abraham, Moses, Jesus And mohamed, were humans, made mistakes, but never a mistake in the revelation, because Allah taught his messengers the book, all of them, it's everywhere in the quran that allah says about all of them " we thaught them the book and wisdom"
why didn't allah teach rashad khalifa ? didn't khalifa say that the angel gabriel taught his the verse Oh rashad we only sent u as a mercy to mankind !!!! something is wrong here, why didn't the angel gabriel taught his the book, except the verses where he's supposed to insert his name in parantheses? do alah send someone who don't understand the book and expect us to believe he's a messenger? does it sound a work of God ?
Well, there is only one explanation of why did rashad not understand the quran, he was too busy trying to proove his messengership with a miricale brought by prophete mohamed, if the miracle of 19 is true, that it is a miracle of prophet mohamed, if it's not true, than it's a lie of rashad, neither way , rashad is a looser in this case, open your eyes -
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O David! Lo! We have set thee as a ruler in the earth; therefor judge aright between mankind, and follow not desire that it beguile thee from the way of Allah. Lo! those who wander from the way of Allah have an awful doom, forasmuch as they forgot the Day of Reckoning. 3826
To understand the quran u have to use other verses, Khalifa = Ruler
rashad missed this one two and u still testify that he was a messenger of god !
Abraham, Moses, Jesus And mohamed, were humans, made mistakes, but never a mistake in the revelation, because Allah taught his messengers the book, all of them, it's everywhere in the quran that allah says about all of them " we thaught them the book and wisdom"
why didn't allah teach rashad khalifa ? didn't khalifa say that the angel gabriel taught his the verse Oh rashad we only sent u as a mercy to mankind !!!! something is wrong here, why didn't the angel gabriel taught his the book, except the verses where he's supposed to insert his name in parantheses? do alah send someone who don't understand the book and expect us to believe he's a messenger? does it sound a work of God ?
Well, there is only one explanation of why did rashad not understand the quran, he was too busy trying to proove his messengership with a miricale brought by prophete mohamed, if the miracle of 19 is true, that it is a miracle of prophet mohamed, if it's not true, than it's a lie of rashad, neither way , rashad is a looser in this case, open your eyesSalaam,
Great point to show that David was a "Khalifah", like Adam, and all of us as humans.
As for Rashad, he did not receive a new revelation. He was 100% human, and his job was to point at following the Quran exclusively among other things. He was not shown everything in the Quran, just like Muhammad was not shown everything in the Quran. -
Salaam,
Great point to show that David was a "Khalifah", like Adam, and all of us as humans.
As for Rashad, he did not receive a new revelation. He was 100% human, and his job was to point at following the Quran exclusively among other things. He was not shown everything in the Quran, just like Muhammad was not shown everything in the Quran.Wrong , Prophet Mohamed was show everything, he understood the quran perfectly, plus it was his language of koreish, plus he gets the reveklation direct from the holy spirit
didn't u read, Aalamahou shadig el kiwa ? he wzasttaght by moghty in power in surah nedjm ! u think allah isn't a good teacher?
or u really think that rashad had the same level as prophete mohamed when it is about revelation ?
u really unser estimate the prophets
u really think that u understand god and the revekation better than the messengers, wow , ofcourse, u know what bigmac is, they don't
But, allah is the best teacher, and when he said he taught him, meaning he knopw the revelation that cale to him in his language in his time better than rashad khalifa or u
what an arrogane
or maybe y wish the revelation didn't come on mohamed, maybe it was supposed to come on your idol rashadn if rashad khalifa said there is only 1 prayer a day, u will be debating for 1 prayer nowstick with yoiur translation of rashad, i will stick with the Quran of the messenger of god
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Wrong , Prophet Mohamed was show everything, he understood the quran perfectly, plus it was his language of koreish, plus he gets the reveklation direct from the holy spirit
didn't u read, Aalamahou shadig el kiwa ? he wzasttaght by moghty in power in surah nedjm ! u think allah isn't a good teacher?
or u really think that rashad had the same level as prophete mohamed when it is about revelation ?
u really unser estimate the prophets
u really think that u understand god and the revekation better than the messengers, wow , ofcourse, u know what bigmac is, they don't
But, allah is the best teacher, and when he said he taught him, meaning he knopw the revelation that cale to him in his language in his time better than rashad khalifa or u
what an arrogane
or maybe y wish the revelation didn't come on mohamed, maybe it was supposed to come on your idol rashadn if rashad khalifa said there is only 1 prayer a day, u will be debating for 1 prayer nowstick with yoiur translation of rashad, i will stick with the Quran of the messenger of god
Salaam,
There are tons of scientific miracles of the Quran, like black holes, the speed of light, etc...
Muhammad understood a lot of the Quran, not everything. God alone can understand completely the extreme depth of the Quran. Some aspects of the Quran could only be understood by future generations with the advance of science, computers, etc... This was my point brother.Pierre
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Salaam
Salaam,
Great point to show that David was a "Khalifah", like Adam, and all of us as humans.
As for Rashad, he did not receive a new revelation. He was 100% human, and his job was to point at following the Quran exclusively among other things. He was not shown everything in the Quran, just like Muhammad was not shown everything in the Quran.Brother please look at the following aayaats and let me know your understanding about the same.
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4164 And messengers of whom We have told to you from before, and messengers We have not told to you; and Allah spoke to Moses directly.Please note we have been told about some Rasools and not been told about some Rasools.
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11120 And We tell to you from the news of all the messengers with which We strengthen your heart. In this has come to you the truth and a lesson and a reminder for the believers.Please note again that we have been told everything about AlRasools . About them, everything is already been told.
That means, Rashad Khalifa could be a Rasool but NOT AlRasool . Rasool could be any, but AlRasools are those who are selected and appointed for this position by Allah.
And I came to know that Rashad Khalifa was murdered.
Allah said
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567 O the messenger, deliver what was sent down to you from your Lord, and if you do not then you have not delivered His message; and Allah will protect you from the people. And Allah does not guide the rejecting people.AlRasools are protected by Allah from the people, so they cannot be murdered.
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
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Salaam,
There are tons of scientific miracles of the Quran, like black holes, the speed of light, etc...
Muhammad understood a lot of the Quran, not everything. God alone can understand completely the extreme depth of the Quran. Some aspects of the Quran could only be understood by future generations with the advance of science, computers, etc... This was my point brother.Pierre
Yhr problem of scientific verses isn't that it 'll be understood by future generations, the translators if they did translate , we created the heavens and x'ill be expanding
litterally expanding = mouwasiooun , the translators tried to put what they understand, if they took it litterally than it will be understood by the most primitif man, well, i guess it didn't make sense to pitckall and yusuf ali, so they translate what they mean
All scientific verses are understood with the litteral meaning of the language, all of them, there is no guessing or discovering , read all of them in arabic and u qill see
as for prophet mohamed, i believe he knows the relationship of god and men better than any of us, remember? he saw the one who reveals to him the revelation, in the horizon , than came nearer , and he seen him another descent, near the lot tre etc....
none of us can understand this phenomena, so no matter how scientific we'll be, we'll never get a little of what he knew, and most of all, he get the most valuable book to humanity , he understand at least duluk shams better than u
the problem is you're trying to forget about the quran and focus on a digit , like we didn't believe in the quran before the digit 19 , the quran doesn't need a digit for people to believe, my grand fathers if u ask them they'll tell u the quran is the word of god with no doubt, and the generations before , even the worst sectariens tell u that the quran is the word of god, so u really believe that because of digit 19 , people will relise that the quran is the word of god? what about non muslims? u think u present them a digit 19 to believe? they don't care about calculating, people are not willing to calculate for days to proove that 19 is a digit denominator etc... people believe in the message , the content or they don't believe, just as it was exposed by prophet mohamed . u guys even try to contradict the quran and using maths to prouve the 5 prayers? what about the regular average person who don't count like u ? is he supposed to be a follower ? trusting u as people trusted bukhari and all ? ... I mean if u want to belong to a sect, i don't mind, if u want to belong to a person called himself a mesenger , doesn't bother me , but u came here and say these people are hypocrits and all, isn't a work of a messenger, u have no knowlige of the quranic language and u pretends that u studied the quran in debts
I say Duluk Dalw Fi Biir
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very clear in arabi =
bucket going down in the wellDuluk is used only for a buckt when it's going down,
Find me an arabic sentence that says duluk about somthing coming from high, than i might believe u
For now something coming from high is called Tadali, or hubut , or nuzul , but never duluk, even the word dululk has two word similar, Dulu = bucket and dalak = rubbing
search more and bring prof, u never know, but as long as it is now, i lnow the word duluk in arabic, so , there is a problem, one of us is wrong, and without arrogance, people need proof, concrete proof , not just following, plus u used the verse toudhiroun that has nothing to do with salat , no order of anything in this verse, so look in other verse u might find somthing, -
Salaam
Brother please look at the following aayaats and let me know your understanding about the same.
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4164 And messengers of whom We have told to you from before, and messengers We have not told to you; and Allah spoke to Moses directly.Please note we have been told about some Rasools and not been told about some Rasools.
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11120 And We tell to you from the news of all the messengers with which We strengthen your heart. In this has come to you the truth and a lesson and a reminder for the believers.Please note again that we have been told everything about AlRasools . About them, everything is already been told.
That means, Rashad Khalifa could be a Rasool but NOT AlRasool . Rasool could be any, but AlRasools are those who are selected and appointed for this position by Allah.
And I came to know that Rashad Khalifa was murdered.
Allah said
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567 O the messenger, deliver what was sent down to you from your Lord, and if you do not then you have not delivered His message; and Allah will protect you from the people. And Allah does not guide the rejecting people.AlRasools are protected by Allah from the people, so they cannot be murdered.
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. KhanSalaam Mohammed,
You are wrong about messengers not being killed (it is actually a common mistake)
287 To Moses We gave the Book (Torah) and sent after him other Messengers in succession; then We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear Signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit (Gabriel). Why is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with a message which did not suit your desires, you became so arrogant that to some of them you called impostors and others you killed!
3183 They (also) said "Allah took our promise not to believe in a messenger unless he showed us a sacrifice consumed by Fire (from heaven)." Say "There came to you messengers before me, with clear Signs and even with what ye ask for why then did ye slay them, if ye speak the truth?"
570 Certainly We took a covenant from the Children of Israel and sent them Messengers. Whenever there came to them a Messenger with a message that did not suit their fancies, either they called him an impostor or they put him to death.
Lots of messengers have been murdered, including Rashad Khalifa.
Pierre
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Salaam Mohammed,
You are wrong about messengers not being killed (it is actually a common mistake)
287 To Moses We gave the Book (Torah) and sent after him other Messengers in succession; then We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear Signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit (Gabriel). Why is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with a message which did not suit your desires, you became so arrogant that to some of them you called impostors and others you killed!
3183 They (also) said "Allah took our promise not to believe in a messenger unless he showed us a sacrifice consumed by Fire (from heaven)." Say "There came to you messengers before me, with clear Signs and even with what ye ask for why then did ye slay them, if ye speak the truth?"
570 Certainly We took a covenant from the Children of Israel and sent them Messengers. Whenever there came to them a Messenger with a message that did not suit their fancies, either they called him an impostor or they put him to death.
Lots of messengers have been murdered, including Rashad Khalifa.
Pierre
why all three verses are talking about the past ? why didn't allah say clearly there are messengers after mohamed, the messenger of god ?
why there's not even one verse talking about a messenger in the future ?
maybe god likes to play riddles ? we have to guess ? u know how many messengers of god claim the verse of the covenant ? why shall i believe one and not the others ?
why is it so important for u to believe in khalfa with al the mistakes in the revelation that he did ?
why didn't have any proof ?
if angel gabriel told him that Ya Sin is about him , than wo are the people whom he preached to and their fathers weren't warned?
there's too many question adon't have answers , u just want everyone to believe in the code19 -
The Messenger of Allah cannot be murdered.
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The Messenger of Allah cannot be murdered.
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what does this mean ?
Kadhabtoum is past, and taktouloune is continuation of kadhabtoum , meaning also past !!!i understand arabic language but not the study of grammar
I believe submitters are doing exactly the same as sunni and shia, looking for any verse that isn't too clear and try to interpret it to support their doctrine
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Wa Alaika Salaamun brother,
Salaam Mohammed,
You are wrong about messengers not being killed (it is actually a common mistake)
287 To Moses We gave the Book (Torah) and sent after him other Messengers in succession; then We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear Signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit (Gabriel). Why is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with a message which did not suit your desires, you became so arrogant that to some of them you called impostors and others you killed!
3183 They (also) said "Allah took our promise not to believe in a messenger unless he showed us a sacrifice consumed by Fire (from heaven)." Say "There came to you messengers before me, with clear Signs and even with what ye ask for why then did ye slay them, if ye speak the truth?"
570 Certainly We took a covenant from the Children of Israel and sent them Messengers. Whenever there came to them a Messenger with a message that did not suit their fancies, either they called him an impostor or they put him to death.
Lots of messengers have been murdered, including Rashad Khalifa.
Pierre
Brother form the aayaats quoted above by you, you missed the point that I raised. Please do my prev. post carefully, inshaAllah, you will get the point.
As I said Al-Rasools cannot be killed or murdered. But Rasools could be.
If you think Rashad Khalifa was just a Rasool then there is NO problem. Cause there must be a Rasool in every nation or a group.
Now please look at the aayaats you have quoted, that support my view, cause aayaats cannot contradict.
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And have quoted the following aayat in my previous post.
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I hope you understand. Brother, please read my previous post carefully and if you have any difficulty in understanding what I am trying to say, please get back to me, inshaAllah, I will try to explain in other words.
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
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Peace,
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And not Muhammad only a Messenger, certainly passed away from before him Messengers
So if he died or is slain (qutila)...Above does not rule out the possibility although presumption applying to RK and his bizarre numerology is absurd.
Let?s apply numerology to the two verses he cast out?
9128
9
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9
= 19 x...!9129
9
80150 40063061 8010030 860210 130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040
9
= 19 x...!9
301004 3112040 20060630 4050 15080602040 707107 7030105 401 705040040 82001090 7030102040 213040640501050 2001680 20081040
80150 40063061 8010030 860210 130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040
= 19 x...!9128129
301004 3112040 20060630 4050 15080602040 707107 7030105 401 705040040 82001090 7030102040 213040640501050 2001680 20081040
80150 40063061 8010030 860210 130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040
9128129
= 19 x 19 x...!!9128-129 the 19th word is Allah!
9128-129 total letters 60 + 54 = 114 (6 x 19!)
9129 ? number of letters from beginning of verse to including Allah is 19!
9129 from and including Allah to end of the verse is multiple of 19!
130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040 = 19 x ?!Miracle verifier http//markknowsnothing.com/cgi-bin/calculator.php
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@Noon De Plume,
Let?s apply numerology to the two verses he cast out?
Forget about all those jumbo-mambo SUDOKU games.
How about the straightforward 9127 = 9+1+2+7 = 19 ?!!! ;D
Let me know about any other chapter in The Qur'aan having the above same & simple property.
Peace,
Khalil -
@Noon De Plume,
Forget about all those jumbo-mambo SUDOKU games.
How about the straightforward 9127 = 9+1+2+7 = 19 ?!!! ;D
Let me know about any other chapter in The Qur'aan having the above same & simple property.
Peace,
KhalilSure 1 + 7 + 3 + 8 = 19 ...
1738 All of this is bad and disliked by your Lord.
Peace
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Sure 1 + 7 + 3 + 8 = 19 ...
1738 All of this is bad and disliked by your Lord.
Peace
I believe you deliberately misunderstood my point, which was to explain that chapter 9 is the only chapter that emphasizes to us, that it has 127 verses, not 129. Again 9127 = 9+1+2+7 = 19!
Peace,
Khalil -
Hilarious ;D
On a related note, 875 is not part of the quran! You see 8+7+4=19 thus any verse that comes after 874 can't possibly be part of the quran!!
You "wise" guys are shunning away from a very important point here. The only chapter in dispute here is chapter 9. No one has ever had any doubts about the integrity of any other part of The Qur'aan. Historically, only the number of verses in chapter 9 has been in question, not any other part of The Qur'aan.
Peace,
Khalil -
Salaam Khalil,
From mmkhan3144
It seems that there is a bit of contradiction within your "reasoning."
peace,
KhalilThank you for the aayat.
Brother please read the same aayat carefully again. It talks about Rasool again, not Al-Rasool. You missed it bro.
3144
May Allah open our hearts to understand correctly.
Mohammed M. Khan