In depth study on Salaat in Quran
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Wa Alaika Salaamun brother,
Salaam Mohammed,
You are wrong about messengers not being killed (it is actually a common mistake)
287 To Moses We gave the Book (Torah) and sent after him other Messengers in succession; then We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear Signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit (Gabriel). Why is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with a message which did not suit your desires, you became so arrogant that to some of them you called impostors and others you killed!
3183 They (also) said "Allah took our promise not to believe in a messenger unless he showed us a sacrifice consumed by Fire (from heaven)." Say "There came to you messengers before me, with clear Signs and even with what ye ask for why then did ye slay them, if ye speak the truth?"
570 Certainly We took a covenant from the Children of Israel and sent them Messengers. Whenever there came to them a Messenger with a message that did not suit their fancies, either they called him an impostor or they put him to death.
Lots of messengers have been murdered, including Rashad Khalifa.
Pierre
Brother form the aayaats quoted above by you, you missed the point that I raised. Please do my prev. post carefully, inshaAllah, you will get the point.
As I said Al-Rasools cannot be killed or murdered. But Rasools could be.
If you think Rashad Khalifa was just a Rasool then there is NO problem. Cause there must be a Rasool in every nation or a group.
Now please look at the aayaats you have quoted, that support my view, cause aayaats cannot contradict.
287
3183
570
And have quoted the following aayat in my previous post.
567
I hope you understand. Brother, please read my previous post carefully and if you have any difficulty in understanding what I am trying to say, please get back to me, inshaAllah, I will try to explain in other words.
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan -
Peace,
3144
And not Muhammad only a Messenger, certainly passed away from before him Messengers
So if he died or is slain (qutila)...Above does not rule out the possibility although presumption applying to RK and his bizarre numerology is absurd.
Let?s apply numerology to the two verses he cast out?
9128
9
301004 3112040 20060630 4050 15080602040 707107 7030105 401 705040040 82001090 7030102040 213040640501050 2001680 20081040
9
= 19 x...!9129
9
80150 40063061 8010030 860210 130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040
9
= 19 x...!9
301004 3112040 20060630 4050 15080602040 707107 7030105 401 705040040 82001090 7030102040 213040640501050 2001680 20081040
80150 40063061 8010030 860210 130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040
= 19 x...!9128129
301004 3112040 20060630 4050 15080602040 707107 7030105 401 705040040 82001090 7030102040 213040640501050 2001680 20081040
80150 40063061 8010030 860210 130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040
9128129
= 19 x 19 x...!!9128-129 the 19th word is Allah!
9128-129 total letters 60 + 54 = 114 (6 x 19!)
9129 ? number of letters from beginning of verse to including Allah is 19!
9129 from and including Allah to end of the verse is multiple of 19!
130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040 = 19 x ?!Miracle verifier http//markknowsnothing.com/cgi-bin/calculator.php
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@Noon De Plume,
Let?s apply numerology to the two verses he cast out?
Forget about all those jumbo-mambo SUDOKU games.
How about the straightforward 9127 = 9+1+2+7 = 19 ?!!! ;D
Let me know about any other chapter in The Qur'aan having the above same & simple property.
Peace,
Khalil -
@Noon De Plume,
Forget about all those jumbo-mambo SUDOKU games.
How about the straightforward 9127 = 9+1+2+7 = 19 ?!!! ;D
Let me know about any other chapter in The Qur'aan having the above same & simple property.
Peace,
KhalilSure 1 + 7 + 3 + 8 = 19 ...
1738 All of this is bad and disliked by your Lord.
Peace
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Sure 1 + 7 + 3 + 8 = 19 ...
1738 All of this is bad and disliked by your Lord.
Peace
I believe you deliberately misunderstood my point, which was to explain that chapter 9 is the only chapter that emphasizes to us, that it has 127 verses, not 129. Again 9127 = 9+1+2+7 = 19!
Peace,
Khalil -
Hilarious ;D
On a related note, 875 is not part of the quran! You see 8+7+4=19 thus any verse that comes after 874 can't possibly be part of the quran!!
You "wise" guys are shunning away from a very important point here. The only chapter in dispute here is chapter 9. No one has ever had any doubts about the integrity of any other part of The Qur'aan. Historically, only the number of verses in chapter 9 has been in question, not any other part of The Qur'aan.
Peace,
Khalil -
Salaam Khalil,
From mmkhan3144
It seems that there is a bit of contradiction within your "reasoning."
peace,
KhalilThank you for the aayat.
Brother please read the same aayat carefully again. It talks about Rasool again, not Al-Rasool. You missed it bro.
3144
May Allah open our hearts to understand correctly.
Mohammed M. Khan -
Salaam Khalil,
Thank you for the aayat.
Brother please read the same aayat carefully again. It talks about Rasool again, not Al-Rasool. You missed it bro.
3144
May Allah open our hearts to understand correctly.
Mohammed M. KhanSalaam Mohammed and all,
287 To Moses We gave the Book (Torah) and WE sent after him other Messengers in succession; then We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear Signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit (Gabriel). Why is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with a message which did not suit your desires, you became so arrogant that to some of them you called impostors and others you killed!
Why try to deny the straightforward Quran ? Why don't you simply admit that indeed a number of messenger that God sent were indeed murdered ? Why try to play on words when they are clear ? When God said "WE gave Jesus clear signs", does it mean that yes he was a messenger, but a false messenger ? ;D If you claim that no messenger of God cannot be slain in the light of 287 and a number of other verses, it means you are not a sincere person. Yes God protected messengers, all of them, all along their lives. But he also allowed eventually some to be slain to expose the guilty, so they will have to face exactly who they are on the Day of Judgment.
The real reason why Rashad was assassinated is because he proclaimed "La elaha ela Allah". (3735)
He proved with the Quran that people who mention Muhammad beside God are not believers (3945, 4012).
The disbelievers simply could not stand the truth and silenced him.This alone is the proof he was a messenger. The problem is that people are only willing to accept messengers that are perfect (they make up their own definition of a messenger), who are somewhat divine and never make any mistakes. Sorry guys, it was not the case of Rashad, nor of any of the past messengers including Muhammad, Moses, Jesus etc.... They all made numerous mistakes, and it is why people rejected them, together with the fact that they hated the message of Oneness of God that they preached, and even killed some of them out of rage.
Pierre
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Salaam Pierre,
Salaam Mohammed and all,
287 To Moses We gave the Book (Torah) and WE sent after him other Messengers in succession; then We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear Signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit (Gabriel). Why is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with a message which did not suit your desires, you became so arrogant that to some of them you called impostors and others you killed!
Why try to deny the straightforward Quran ? Why don't you simply admit that indeed a number of messenger that God sent were indeed murdered ? Why try to play on words when they are clear ? When God said "WE gave Jesus clear signs", does it mean that yes he was a messenger, but a false messenger ? ;D If you claim that no messenger of God cannot be slain in the light of 287 and a number of other verses, it means you are not a sincere person. Yes God protected messengers, all of them, all along their lives. But he also allowed eventually some to be slain to expose the guilty, so they will have to face exactly who they are on the Day of Judgment.
Brother if you cannot see the clear difference in Rasool and Al+Rasool, then I am sorry to say that I cannot make you see that. Please ask Allah to help you and make you understand what I am trying to show you. He is the all Listener and Knower, Alhamdulillah.
I found you no different from the followers of Hadith brother, cause they do the same, they check AlQuraan and try to tally what is already in their minds, they don't want to look for Allah's instructions. I am sorry to say that.
Please bro, don't ask Allah to make you the best of follower of Rashad Khalifa, same as hadith followers do that 'Ya Allah make us the believer and followers of Rasool's sunna, but ask Allah for THE CORRECT PATH whatever it might be.
Again, 287 is also about Rasool NOT Al+Rasool as follows
Try to have a close look once more brother.
The real reason why Rashad was assassinated is because he proclaimed "La elaha ela Allah". (3735)
He proved with the Quran that people who mention Muhammad beside God are not believers (3945, 4012).
The disbelievers simply could not stand the truth and silenced him.But he did not proved 3945 and 4012 to me, I don't even know him.
But Allah guided me with that and also with 1745-46 without anyone's help, Alhamdulillah.This alone is the proof he was a messenger.
As Allah shown me these aayaats, I am also showing these to others since long. Is that mean, I am also a messenger? &
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan -
@Noon de Plume
When I read your calculation of 9128-129 by being multiple of 19 I thought how God allowed that happens?.It took me a while till Glory be to God things got explained in my heart?Woww I saw the hand of Satan there .How? Let me tell you.
The opening verse of the Quran God introduce himself as being Al-Rahman ,Al-Rahim.This verse has 19 letters multiple by 19 =1??..The number One signifies that there is one Elah (god)and One Rab not more than that.
Then I saw the only verse in entire Quran the same word that God introduced Himself by it(Rahim) has been used in 9128 for Prophet Mohammad??..And you proved it is multiple of 19??Glory be to God two verses with two entities being called Rahim???One is Lord of universe and the other is a human being ??Now there are 2 gods there ,one is God and the other is Mohammad and two verses are multiple of 19 too which means both have signature on it. ??.So is it possible there be two gods in the Quran to be called Rahim?!No way!........Very well composed Satan!!
If you think Satan didn?t know about number 19 then surely you don?t know about Bahai faith made by him through number 19???Ask yourself why Bahai faith consider number 19 being holy etc and why number 19?.........And now why 9128 contains the word of Rahim too is multiple of 19 and doesn?t have the opening verse as God introduction Him to us?
As God says this number is a trial and it increases the faith of the believers ?.You as disbeliever in it are fighting with it ?.You think by pointing out that 9128 is multiple of 19 actually proved it that there can?t be two gods with that word of introduction as the first verse which God introduced Him to us..
BTW I wouldn?t want to discuss the depth meaning of the word of Rahim that only befits God.
Praise be to God and thank you NDP for that discovery because you proved it to me that how Satan composed 9128 making it multiple of 19 in order people fail the test to see God?s awesome signature??..he achieved his goal but not for the sincere believers who can see only befits God to be Rahim .
Asana
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Salaam Asana,
@Noon de Plume
When I read your calculation of 9128-129 by being multiple of 19 I thought how God allowed that happens?.It took me a while till Glory be to God things got explained in my heart?Woww I saw the hand of Satan there .How? Let me tell you.
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After looking at so many numbers and numbers and calculations, my eyes catch this...
MashaAllah, what a post... # 114
114 / 19 = 6
And other way
114 = 11 + 4 or 1 + 14 both gives the same result .
Does this mean, each and every word of your post is correct? !
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
You "wise" guys are shunning away from a very important point here. The only chapter in dispute here is chapter 9. No one has ever had any doubts about the integrity of any other part of The Qur'aan. Historically, only the number of verses in chapter 9 has been in question, not any other part of The Qur'aan.
Peace,
KhalilO' I see, you were being serious with that (i'll be nice in choice of words) silly example.
Then post the actual hadith history along with others about goat/animal eating missing chapters, verses, etc., so everyone can see what infatuation with nineteen numerology is all about and tell us how many verses exactly in chapter 9 ? 19, 91, 109, 145, 154, 163...?
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9 + 1 + 0 + 9 = 19
9 + 1 + 1 + 8 = 19
9 + 1 + 2 + 7 = 19
9 + 1 + 3 + 6 = 19
9 + 1 + 4 + 5 = 19
?The only Chapter in entire Quran the last verse of it talks about God who has counted every things is 7228 ??..7+2+2+8=19
If you think God is not in full control of running the universe then go head and say that?s a coincidence!
Asana
No coincidence flipping digits until find what you are looking for; you have to be consistent, so which is it?
72+28 = 100
7+2+28 = 37
7+2+2+8 = 19Then apply the same consistently to each and every verse...
1849 ... has recorded it (i.e. all life events)...
1994 Verily, He has recorded them and counted them, a counting
7228 ?and He takes account/records all things number
586 ... Has recorded it Allah
7829 ... and everything We have recorded it (in) a book...
@Noon de Plume
Praise be to God and thank you NDP for that discovery because you proved it to me that how Satan composed 9128 making it multiple of 19 in order people fail the test to see God?s awesome signature??..he achieved his goal but not for the sincere believers who can see only befits God to be Rahim .
Asana
Peace -- you are welcome!
Let me know if you like to see the same with any other verse using any other number -- perhaps 29?
Like there are 29 words in first chapter same as there are 29 words in 9128-129!
Let?s apply numerology to the two verses he cast out?
9128
9
301004 3112040 20060630 4050 15080602040 707107 7030105 401 705040040 82001090 7030102040 213040640501050 2001680 20081040
9
= 19 x...!9129
9
80150 40063061 8010030 860210 130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040
9
= 19 x...!9
301004 3112040 20060630 4050 15080602040 707107 7030105 401 705040040 82001090 7030102040 213040640501050 2001680 20081040
80150 40063061 8010030 860210 130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040
= 19 x...!9128129
301004 3112040 20060630 4050 15080602040 707107 7030105 401 705040040 82001090 7030102040 213040640501050 2001680 20081040
80150 40063061 8010030 860210 130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040
9128129
= 19 x 19 x...!!9128-129 the 19th word is Allah!
9128-129 total letters 60 + 54 = 114 (6 x 19!)
9129 ? number of letters from beginning of verse to including Allah is 19!
9129 from and including Allah to end of the verse is multiple of 19!
130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040 = 19 x ?!Miracle verifier http//markknowsnothing.com/cgi-bin/calculator.php
One more using word counts to strengthened your infatuation for all things nineteen...
9128129
301004 1 3112040 2 20060630 3 4050 4 15080602040 5 707107 6 7030105 7 401 8 705040040 9 82001090 10 7030102040 11 213040640501050 12 2001680 13 20081040 14
80150 15 40063061 16 8010030 17 860210 18 130305 19 301 20 1305 21 1301 22 56 23 7030105 24 40062030400 25 656 26 2002 27 13070200300 28 130709001040 29
9128129
= 19 x ...!Of course it would not be a miracle unless from Allah to the end is multiple...
130305 19 301 20 1305 21 1301 22 56 23 7030105 24 40062030400 25 656 26 2002 27 13070200300 28 130709001040 29
= 19 x ...!Peace
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@Noon de Plume
<<<1849 ... has recorded it (i.e. all life events)... >>>
Nice try! The verse is about our records in hereafter!
<<<1994 Verily, He has recorded them and counted them, a counting>>>
The verse is talking about everything in heaven and the earth.
<<<586 ... Has recorded it Allah >>>
Again this verse is related to our records.
<<<7829 ... and everything We have recorded it (in) a book...>>>
Again the verse related to our records.
<<<7228 ?and He takes account/records all things number>>>
But above verse is related to Scriptures/messages of God and every thing!!
<<<Like there are 29 words in first chapter same as there are 29 words in 9128-129!>>>Glory be to God and thank you again?.You proved it for me again that it?s impossible the word of Rahim belongs to two gods Allah and Mohammad.
I?m not infatuated by the numbers?I?m amazed to see how you defend your idol calling him Rahim and how by code 19 trying to prove it that he?s god beside God in that verses having signature of God on it.
Asana
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But above verse is related to Scriptures/messages of God and every thing!!
<<<Like there are 29 words in first chapter same as there are 29 words in 9128-129!>>>Glory be to God and thank you again?.You proved it for me again that it?s impossible the word of Rahim belongs to two gods Allah and Mohammad.
I?m not infatuated by the numbers?I?m amazed to see how you defend your idol calling him Rahim and how by code 19 trying to prove it that he?s god beside God in that verses having signature of God on it.
Asana
Peace Asana,
ruamu plural adjective
4829 ?
Muhammad Messenger of Allah and those who with him firm against l-kufri (fitna people) and merciful among themselves?
Therefore,
115
1116 = 4 x 29!
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You "wise" guys are shunning away from a very important point here. The only chapter in dispute here is chapter 9. No one has ever had any doubts about the integrity of any other part of The Qur'aan. Historically, only the number of verses in chapter 9 has been in question, not any other part of The Qur'aan.
Peace,
KhalilPeace,
You "wise" guys are shunning away from a very important point here. The only evidence of this so-called 'dispute' you have is gathered from the delusional fantasies commonly referred to as ahadith.
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Peace
The only Chapter in entire Quran the last verse of it talks about God who has counted every things is 7228 ??..7+2+2+8=19
If you think God is not in full control of running the universe then go head and say that?s a coincidence!
Asana
Salaam,
9127 (9+1+2+7 = 19) Whenever a sura was revealed, some of them would look at each other as if to say "Does anyone see you?" (as they conspire against the Quran) Then they left. Thus, GOD has diverted their hearts, for they are people who do not comprehend.
7228 (7+2+2+8 = 19) This is to ascertain that they have delivered their Lord's messages. He is fully aware of what they have. He has counted the numbers of all things.Well done. I had forgotten about that. I think no other of the 114 last verses of any given sura has such a quality.
Pierre
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Salaam Pierre,
Brother if you cannot see the clear difference in Rasool and Al+Rasool, then I am sorry to say that I cannot make you see that. Please ask Allah to help you and make you understand what I am trying to show you. He is the all Listener and Knower, Alhamdulillah.
I found you no different from the followers of Hadith brother, cause they do the same, they check AlQuraan and try to tally what is already in their minds, they don't want to look for Allah's instructions. I am sorry to say that.
Please bro, don't ask Allah to make you the best of follower of Rashad Khalifa, same as hadith followers do that 'Ya Allah make us the believer and followers of Rasool's sunna, but ask Allah for THE CORRECT PATH whatever it might be.
Again, 287 is also about Rasool NOT Al+Rasool as follows
Try to have a close look once more brother.
But he did not proved 3945 and 4012 to me, I don't even know him.
But Allah guided me with that and also with 1745-46 without anyone's help, Alhamdulillah.As Allah shown me these aayaats, I am also showing these to others since long. Is that mean, I am also a messenger? &
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan287 To Moses We gave the Book (Torah) and WE sent after him other Messengers in succession; then We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear Signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit (Gabriel). Why is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with a message which did not suit your desires, you became so arrogant that to some of them you called impostors and others you killed!
Salaam,
287 is about "al rusuli" (, the messengers) and "rasuloon" (, a messenger) as well. In both cases they refer to messengers of God, some of whom were assassinated. If you are not sincere enough to admit that, then there is not much to say, except that you are not a sincere person. So why do you try to claim we do not understand when it is you who is attempting to deny the most obvious truth ? By the way, that "Jesus" mentioned in 287 (I am not sure who that guy is confused), is he a messenger of God or a false messenger ?! hmm
Please Mohammed, how far are you going to go to deny the truth and claim that it is the others who do not get it !? nopePierre