Equality of mens.
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Thinking it is may be different to what it actually is.
A simple concordance check will do.
If the word JHD is used, then to my surprise when I studied it, there is only one occurrence that talks of a great striving
And if We wish, We could send to every town a warner. So do not obey those who deny the truth, and strive against them with it (The Quran) in a great striving.
Does it mean that Quran did not call to die and kill for Allah?
My understanding is that people are not equal on the face of God and that they are split between people who are ready to die and kill on Gods way and the others not ready to doo that.Am I wrong? -
Why do I have the feeling that you just want us to confirm the opinion you are expression and that you won't take no for an answer. Also you seem to lie a lot on killing. If you fancy killing so much I hope you get something from that feeling, but it is useless to entreat us to it so insistently. One thing is to emp`ril one's life for the sake of justice and the defence of the defenceless, another thing is to make such stock out of killing as you seem to make. Don't count on us for that. Islam is not about killing but about life and submission to the Most Merciful.
Salaam
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So,you want to tell me that 495 is not about war,about killing other people and that God more like people which killing in his name?
Did 494 completely go over your head or are you deliberately ignoring it?
Your world view seems to be directly influenced by what the propagandists imagine 'jihad' to be. I recommend reading the Quran with an open-mind, and stop taking verses out of context.
Sure,that is why I am asking.I understand that Allah more likes people ready to die on Allah way.
This is no corect?No.
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Sure,that is why I am asking.I understand that Allah more likes people ready to die on Allah way.
This is no corect?I gave you a simple way to determine if "fighting in God's way" means in war and killing etc.
I said "Thinking it is may be different to what it actually is. A simple concordance check will do."
You have not provided any evidence you actually looked into the usage of the phrase, which underpins your opening statement.
I recommend www.StudyQuran.org
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Did 494 completely go over your head or are you deliberately ignoring it?
Your world view seems to be directly influenced by what the propagandists imagine 'jihad' to be. I recommend reading the Quran with an open-mind, and stop taking verses out of context.
No.
Interesting thing is that every time when someone say "war"and "Quran"he is propagandist and jihad is not that"what they think".It seems there is no word such kill,war,in Quran.
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So,you want to tell me that 495 is not about war,about killing other people and that God more like people which killing in his name?
MUHAMMAD ASAD Such of the believers as remain passive? -.other than the disabled -cannot be deemed equal to those who strive hard in God?s cause with their possessions and their lives? God has exalted those who strive hard with their possessions and their lives far above those who remain passive. Although God has promised the ultimate good unto all , yet has God exalted those who strive hard above those who remain passive by a mighty reward
USAGE There doesn?t seem to be a pressing need for this English-friendly form since the Arabic term for a holy warrior, mujahid, has already made it into English in plural forms (mujahideen, mujahedin), along with jihadi, a form more in keeping with Arabic morphology. Jihadist, however, is the preferred form for all writers who are vehemently anti-Arab or anti-Islam.
A quote from M Asad.
Having defined Jihad in the previous article, we can describe a Mujahid as someone who strives to uphold justice, perhaps risking his life in the process. So what do these verses say? They are elevating the status of those who are brave to stand up for truth and justice in the face of oppression. The verses elevate their status over that of those who cowardly hide from defending the rights of others, unless they have a disability, which prevents them from doing so. So the Islam-hater finds no support (for their distorted presentation of Islam) in these verses either. Moreover, the verse supports the interpretation of Jihad as any struggle for the sake of God because it has mentioned those who perform Jihad with their wealth by donating it for a good cause, such as humanitarian organizations. As Muhammad Asad writes about this verse
The term mujahid is derived from the verb jahada, which means ?he struggled? or ?strove hard? or ?exerted himself?, namely, in a good cause and against evil. Consequently, jihad denotes ?striving in the cause of God? in the widest sense of this expression that is to say, it applies not merely to physical warfare (qital) but to any righteous struggle in the moral sense as well (Asad, The Message of the Qur?an)
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I gave you a simple way to determine if "fighting in God's way" means in war and killing etc.
I said "Thinking it is may be different to what it actually is. A simple concordance check will do."
You have not provided any evidence you actually looked into the usage of the phrase, which underpins your opening statement.
I recommend www.StudyQuran.org
Look bro,I believe in God.I dont want to ignore anything,just want to make clear some things...
What I looked in the phrase is maybe what unbelievers say about Quran,but I have problem with this.
When somebody read 495 and you say"It is not about war"O.K I understand but then we have 3169 and what to think?How they die on Allah way?There was no war,there was not killing but they are die.
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MUHAMMAD ASAD Such of the believers as remain passive? -.other than the disabled -cannot be deemed equal to those who strive hard in God?s cause with their possessions and their lives? God has exalted those who strive hard with their possessions and their lives far above those who remain passive. Although God has promised the ultimate good unto all , yet has God exalted those who strive hard above those who remain passive by a mighty reward
USAGE There doesn?t seem to be a pressing need for this English-friendly form since the Arabic term for a holy warrior, mujahid, has already made it into English in plural forms (mujahideen, mujahedin), along with jihadi, a form more in keeping with Arabic morphology. Jihadist, however, is the preferred form for all writers who are vehemently anti-Arab or anti-Islam.
A quote from M Asad.
Having defined Jihad in the previous article, we can describe a Mujahid as someone who strives to uphold justice, perhaps risking his life in the process. So what do these verses say? They are elevating the status of those who are brave to stand up for truth and justice in the face of oppression. The verses elevate their status over that of those who cowardly hide from defending the rights of others, unless they have a disability, which prevents them from doing so. So the Islam-hater finds no support (for their distorted presentation of Islam) in these verses either. Moreover, the verse supports the interpretation of Jihad as any struggle for the sake of God because it has mentioned those who perform Jihad with their wealth by donating it for a good cause, such as humanitarian organizations. As Muhammad Asad writes about this verse
The term mujahid is derived from the verb jahada, which means ?he struggled? or ?strove hard? or ?exerted himself?, namely, in a good cause and against evil. Consequently, jihad denotes ?striving in the cause of God? in the widest sense of this expression that is to say, it applies not merely to physical warfare (qital) but to any righteous struggle in the moral sense as well (Asad, The Message of the Qur?an)
O.K Thank you for this post.
I understand term "Jihad".It is not just war,I know.
But,we must agree,it is and war.What I want to say,jihad is not just a war,but "inter alia"it is and war also.
Or if you dont understand me,is jihad possible without a war?
And finaly,the subject of topic,people in jihad are not equal with people not in jihad,and if jihad is and war it means that are man who is not in war is not equal with man in war.This not complicate to understand. -
O.K Thank you for this post.
I understand term "Jihad".It is not just war,I know.
But,we must agree,it is and war.What I want to say,jihad is not just a war,but "inter alia"it is and war also.
Or if you dont understand me,is jihad possible without a war?
And finaly,the subject of topic,people in jihad are not equal with people not in jihad,and if jihad is and war it means that are man who is not in war is not equal with man in war.This not complicate to understand.No But yes according to Sunni understanding they call it greater and lesser Jihad.
Here are few verses from Quran about jihad.
It is these (hypocrites) who find fault with such of the believers who give generously in charity, and they find fault with such believers who have nothing to give but their effort, God disdains them, and they will have a painful retribution.
If they strive to make you set up any partners besides Me, then do not obey them. But continue to treat them amicably in this world. You shall follow only the path of those who have sought Me. Ultimately, you all return to Me, then I will inform you of everything you have done.
Who is more evil than one who fabricates lies and attributes them to God, or denies the truth when it comes to him? Is there not a place in Hell for those who deny the truth? As for those who strive in Our cause, We will guide them to Our paths. For God is with the pious.
And if We wish, We could send to every town a warner. So do not obey those who deny the truth, and strive against them with it (The Quran) in a great striving.
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Why do I have the feeling that you just want us to confirm the opinion you are expression and that you won't take no for an answer. Also you seem to lie a lot on killing. If you fancy killing so much I hope you get something from that feeling, but it is useless to entreat us to it so insistently. One thing is to emp`ril one's life for the sake of justice and the defence of the defenceless, another thing is to make such stock out of killing as you seem to make. Don't count on us for that. Islam is not about killing but about life and submission to the Most Merciful.
Salaam
OK, let's not assume too much on others. Stone is just asking a question here. There may be language issue, no offense meant to anyone but, not everyone is a native/super-fluent English speaker, so wording might not sufficiently represent the original intention of the poster. Second, the fact that he is asking his question could mean that he is not satisfied with what he knew, so why not give him the benefit of the doubt.
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O.K Thank you for this post.
I understand term "Jihad".It is not just war,I know.
But,we must agree,it is and war.What I want to say,jihad is not just a war,but "inter alia"it is and war also.
Or if you dont understand me,is jihad possible without a war?
And finaly,the subject of topic,people in jihad are not equal with people not in jihad,and if jihad is and war it means that are man who is not in war is not equal with man in war.This not complicate to understand.In a broader view, i tend to see violence-sensitive issues in AQ (fighting in defense from oppression, capital punishment for killing, flocking for adultery, 'cuffing, even cutting the hand for stealing) as "STOPPAGE" for any action that endangers the society. So, in the case of LIFE-threatening situation, if i had to STOP a murderer from murdering someone and the best i could do is strike its vital organ, i had to do it for the sake of the collective LIFE of our society/community (well, that is, including myself too). This purpose includes the possibility of self-sacrificing, which is to be done for the sake of the collective LIFE of our society/community (which by the way, has the minimum requirement of one person, as saving one's life equals saving the humanity, but this is another dense subject to get into).
And by no means self-sacrificing should be glorified for the sake of heavenly images (e.g. the "higher position in the God's eyes" image as you are questioning), which would gravely perverse the action and potentially lead people to illogically rationalize war (just like war for gold, gospel, and glory but with all the golds and glories deferred for the 'next life'. No, the best way to approach war is not to win it by demolishing the enemy, but to STOP it without losing, to make way for the living beings to exercise their chance to grow their soul.
Same thing for money, corrupt governments, glorified violence, drugs, human trafficking, and anything that binds people by fear and gross stimulation of the primitive brain. The goal is not to "overpower" the destructive, oppressing force with an opposing destructive force, because all the force needed to be unleashed is in the constructive direction.
"Evil" (aka the stubornness to serve the ego) has such a self-destructive nature that all we need to do is to participate in the constructive actions, leaving only "inertia" for it. As the contrast between constructive and destructive forces grows, more people will be able to 'pick things up' and make conscious choice.
This post reflects only my personal view, and just like the mods here i recommend that you do your own study on this matter, and with an open mind too, clear from any preconceived notion.
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So we have now established "jihad" is not exclusively about war/fighting/killing etc.
Now, all we need to do is compile the verses that talk about who is closest to God etc. Then see what it says.
Have you done that?
I never say that jihad is exclusively about war.But war is part of jihad.And God likes more when we are in jihad,so we are not equal with people are not kiiling in war for Allah.This is what I say.
Tell me if you must to go in war for God what you will say?It is not in jihad?It is not writen in Quran? -
Stone, I prefer logical discussion.
In any case, let me summarise
Yes, those who strive in the cause of God, are better than those who do not, and striving takes many forms, as can blatantly be seen in The Quran. In some contexts it is striving with the message, it is doing the right thing, it is being charitable, it is fighting against oppression, it is forgiving, it is being just etc. Those closest to God is not exclusively linked with the phrase "striving in the cause of God".
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Stone, I prefer logical discussion.
In any case, let me summarise
Yes, those who strive in the cause of God, are better than those who do not, and striving takes many forms, as can blatantly be seen in The Quran. In some contexts it is striving with the message, it is doing the right thing, it is being charitable, it is fighting against oppression, it is forgiving, it is being just etc. Those closest to God is not exclusively linked with the phrase "striving in the cause of God".
I agree Wakas,logical discussion,I prefer it also.
I go slowly...with patience...First,I type word "strive"in my google translate.O.K...I understand...
Now,reading again your post,striving with the message,charitable,forgiving...it is logical...
And there is 4;169 now.How this go with "strive"?I read it again"Do not think that those who are killed in the cause of GOD are dead; they are alive at their Lord, enjoying His provisions."They are killed cause they been charitable?They was fighting against oppression?They are not just closest to God,they are directly with God.Without any trial. -
Stone, i don't know why you associate "killed in the cause of GOD" and "killing and go in war" (your original question).
I just want to open up your eyes to the possibility of getting "killed in the cause of GOD" while at the same time, NOT trying (not even intending) to "kill" anyone with just one example out of so many http//rachelcorriefoundation.org/
Yes, by being CHARITABLE. And yes, by FIGHTING AGAINST OPPRESSION.
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Peace Stone,
Maybe an example will demonstrate what some here have been trying to say regarding 3169.
If an old person was struggling to cross the road and you help them. While doing this, a car hits and kills you.
In this case, you were serving God by assisting someone. Would you not qualify in terms of 3169?
Imraan
