Kaaba at Jerusalem and not at Mecca
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Peace Zidane
Muhammad was not exclusively for the Arabs but he was sent amongst them. You missed the gentiles in the sentence. The message is universal.
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Pickthall And thou wast not beside the Mount when We did call; but (the knowledge of it is) a mercy from thy Lord that thou mayest warn a folk unto whom no warner came before thee, that haply they may give heed.28 47
Pickthall Otherwise, if disaster should afflict them because of that which their own hands have sent before (them), they might say Our Lord! Why sentest Thou no messenger unto us, that we might have followed Thy revelations and been of the believers41 44
Pickthall And if We had appointed it a Lecture in a foreign tongue they would assuredly have said If only its verses were expounded (so that we might understand)? What! A foreign tongue and an Arab? Say unto them (O Muhammad) For those who believe it is a guidance and a healing; and as for those who disbelieve, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness for them. Such are called to from afar.6156
Yusuf Ali Lest ye should say "The Book was sent down to two peoples before us and for our part we remained unacquainted with all that they learned by assiduous study."6157
Yusuf Ali Or lest ye should say "If the Book had only been sent down to us we should have followed its guidance better than they." Now then hath come unto you a Clear (sign) from your Lord and a guide and a mercy then who could do more wrong than one who rejecteth Allah's signs and turneth away therefrom? In good time shall We requite those who turn away from Our Signs with a dreadful penalty for their turning away.2 151
Yusuf Ali A similar (favor have ye already received) in that We have sent among you an Apostle of your own rehearsing to you Our signs and sanctifying you and instructing you in Scripture and wisdom and in new Knowledge.622
It is He Who has sent amongst the Unlettered an apostle from among themselves to rehearse to them His Signs to sanctify them and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom although they had been before in manifest errorArab comes from the meaning desert. That does not mean Arab speaking people were living only in the desert. East of the Jordan valley and the peninsula Arabic was the main language. These were mainly Nabateans and their main city was probably Petra. That does not mean there were no Jews or Christians east of Jordan valley. I guess Yathrib/Medina which is closer to Petra than Mecca had a population of Jews and Christians. The Jews moved away from Jerusalem etc to avoid the persecution. Christianity was spreading under the dominant influence under the Roman Empire. Also Nabateans were traders and travelers mastering the land and the sea. They had trade with the Roman Empire and possibly rest of the known trade centers at that time. So naturally they would have contacts with Jerusalem and cities around it. This is a very small brief on a vast subject.
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Salaam,
One simple question If the Kaaba was indeed still at Jerusalem, why would the Prophet have changed the kiblah?
Such ideas only cause confusion and disputes among the believers (similar to wat has happened with the 3-salat theory).http//i189.photobucket.com/albums/z286/mfmml/4_mecca_world.jpg
In the end Allah knows best.
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Salam,
One simple question If the Kaaba was indeed still at Jerusalem, why would the Prophet have changed the kiblah?
Such ideas only cause confusion and disputes among the believers (similar to wat has happened with the 3-salat theory).The prophet did not change of his own will, the Qibla change was done as a test by God to distinguish the believers from the pretenders 2142-143.
As for the confusion, that is normal so people make the effort of research rather than simply following.
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the Qibla change was done as a test by God
It seems to me that this point is overlooked and is important.
@harris - Why, then, were Muslims praying toward a qibla located on or slightly south of the 32nd degree parallel in 705 CE?
Researching the matter brings answers.Since the link to the article that expounds on the significance of the event is broken, one can find the article here
http//free-minds.org/moh
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Peace
You are so funny,
what you are accusing me is exactly what you are doing yourself.
There is no need for proof, the Quran stands for itself, one has to be mad to think that when Allah says fire He means something else. Is He talking to humans or who else? If He wanted us to perceive it as allegorical He would have said "the like of fire"...
You are deluded Arnold, maybe you need to consult a psychiatrist...A similitude of the Garden which those who keep their duty (to Allah) are promised Therein are rivers of water unpolluted, and rivers of milk whereof the flavour changeth not, and rivers of wine delicious to the drinkers, and rivers of clear-run honey; therein for them is every kind of fruit, with pardon from their Lord. (Are those who enjoy all this) like those who are immortal in the Fire and are given boiling water to drink so that it teareth their bowels? 4715
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Salaam,
One simple question If the Kaaba was indeed still at Jerusalem, why would the Prophet have changed the kiblah?
Such ideas only cause confusion and disputes among the believers (similar to wat has happened with the 3-salat theory).In the end Allah knows best.
One simple question If the Kaaba was indeed still at Jerusalem, why would the Prophet have changed the kiblah?
It is not the prophet who changed the Quibla, it's Allah who changed it, there is a verse in the quran about it.I still can't find that the first quibla was Jerusalem ! Can someone show how do we know the 1st quibla was jerusalem ?
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One simple question If the Kaaba was indeed still at Jerusalem, why would the Prophet have changed the kiblah?
It is not the prophet who changed the Quibla, it's Allah who changed it, there is a verse in the quran about it.I still can't find that the first quibla was Jerusalem ! Can someone show how do we know the 1st quibla was jerusalem ?
Salaam loxbox,
True. Tats wat I meant, since the Prophet's decisions were based on Allah's instructions. Therefore if the kiblah was changed by Allah, why is it difficult for some muslims to accept that the Kaaba too was shifted from Becca to Mecca?Peace. In the end, Allah knows best.
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Salaam loxbox,
True. Tats wat I meant, since the Prophet's decisions were based on Allah's instructions. Therefore if the kiblah was changed by Allah, why is it difficult for some muslims to accept that the Kaaba too was shifted from Becca to Mecca?Peace. In the end, Allah knows best.
I get your point, the think that bothers me is the people who love de desobey allah, I don't know if the first quibla was jerusalem, it's people's aussumptions, one think is sure, it wasn't mecca because allah changed it to mecca, but why don't people accept that the true and only quibla is mecca ? we don't choose quible, it is allah who chose, why do some people tell me i have to face jerusalem to pray ? even though allah said mecca, i don't know if becca is mecca or jerusalem, i don't know if jerusalem is in jerusalem, it is only in books of christians that it is actual palestine, why didn't early muslim not call it jerusalem but Quods ? what if jerusalem isn't a name but an attribute? I know jerusalem means house of peace, there is too many houses of peace , all places where allah is worshiped, just like mecca or the mosque next corner, i believe Jerusalem turned into politics , that's what made it so important that muslims want's to use it as quible, and desobey allah , to me jerusalem is cursed and not holy, at least the jerusalem we know now, it has nothing to do with it's name, house of peace, i see only bloodshed there, and tyrany, how can jerusalem be a blessed city ? there's only evil there, or if it is mentionned as a city of peace by god, than god was wrong, he didn't know it becomes the land of evil and bloodshed since the times of romans. to me it doesn't matter if god tell me to turn to india as quible, but it has to be from god, meaning in the quran, i'm not gonna say ohh it was mecca so we have to turn to mecca. could be becca in palestine, and could be becca is the same as mecca , if it's just historical research, i don't believe we will ever know for sure where becca is, u can find cities named on other cities , we see it tilll these days, so it is just impossible unless u find archeological materiel that says this is becca, like the pyramids in egypt, they are in egypt because there is materiel evidence, but for others as becca, we only have writings of opinions of people who are known as scholars, but still, they are scholars and not divine, some of them they have beliefs and they try tp prouve their belief .
Becca becca jerusalem darousalem kaaba the stone all these sound to me a little bit paganism -
Salaam loxbox,
True. Tats wat I meant, since the Prophet's decisions were based on Allah's instructions. Therefore if the kiblah was changed by Allah, why is it difficult for some muslims to accept that the Kaaba too was shifted from Becca to Mecca?Peace. In the end, Allah knows best.
I don't believe in shiftin kaabas lol shifting quibla yes, kaaba means cube, it was named after it's form, maybe if there was a sacred mosque before as a quibla, doesn't have to be called kaaba, not neccesarily, kaaba is just bricks , just like any other room or house, some are cubes , some are ovale , it's just architecture , the quibla isn't the kaaba, it's the mosque
