Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question
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ABLUTION
?O you who believe! when you rise up to prayer, wash your faces and your hands as far as the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you are under an obligation to perform a total ablution, then wash and if you are sick or on a journey, or one of you come from the privy, or you have touched the women, and you cannot find water, betake yourselves to pure earth and wipe your faces and your hands therewith, Allah does not desire to put on you any difficulty, but He wishes to purify you and that He may complete His favor on you, so that you may be grateful.?
Qur?an 56
PRAYING BAREFOOT
?Surely I am your Lord, therefore put off your shoes; surely you are in the sacred valley, Tuwa.?
Qur?an 2012
ALTHOUGH IT IS OFTEN ASKED, WE CANNOT PRAY NAKED
?O children of Adam! attend to your adornments at every time of prayer, and eat and drink and be not extravagant; surely He does not love the extravagant.?
QIBLAH
?Indeed We see the turning of your face to heaven, so We shall surely turn you to a qiblah which you shall like; turn then your face towards the Sacred Mosque, and wherever you are, turn your face towards it, and those who have been given the Book most surely know that it is the truth from their Lord; and Allah is not at all heedless of what they do.?
Qur?an 2144
?And from whatsoever place you come forth, turn your face towards the Sacred Mosque; and surely it is the very truth from your Lord, and Allah is not at all heedless of what you do.?
Qur?an 2149
POSITIONS
All positions of Salaat are found in the Qur?an
Standing position
?Then the angels called to him as he stood praying in the sanctuary That Allah gives you the good news of Yahya verifying a Word from Allah, and honourable and chaste and a prophet from among the good ones.?
Qur?an 339
?What! he who is obedient during hours of the night, prostrating himself and standing, takes care of the hereafter and hopes for the mercy of his Lord! Say Are those who know and those who do not know alike? Only the men of understanding are mindful.?
Qur?an 399
Bowing and prostration positions
?And keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and bow down with those who bow down.?
Qur?an 243
?O Marium! keep to obedience to your Lord and humble yourself, and bow down with those who bow.?
Qur?an 343
?They who turn (to Allah), who serve (Him), who praise (Him), who fast, who bow down, who prostrate themselves, who enjoin what is good and forbid what is evil, and who keep the limits of Allah; and give good news to the believers.?
Qur?an 9112
The order is indicated
?And when We assigned to Ibrahim the place of the House, saying Do not associate with Me aught, and purify My House for those who make the circuit and stand (to pray) and bow (ruku) and prostrate themselves.?
Qur?an 2226
We know that the above refers to prayer since the ?alternative? salaat is presented here
?And their prayer before the House is nothing but whistling and clapping of hands; taste then the chastisement, for you disbelieved.?
Qur?an 835
The placement of the hands on the knees whilst bowing is natural if one bows low enough. One should prostrate with the forehead touching the ground
??you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration.?
Qur?an 4829
Note that the placement of hands on the stomach/chest is unnecessary (according to Shia Muslims) whilst not all schools accept the raising of the hands to ears (Raff-al-Yadain)
http//www.al-inaam.com/dhadith/qna/rafeyadayn.htm
LENGTH OF PRAYER
There must be at least two prostrations as implied in 4102
?And when you are among them and keep up the prayer for them, let a party of them stand up with you, and let them take their arms; then when they have prostrated themselves let them go to your rear, and let another party who have not prayed come forward and pray with you.?
It is known from the Qur?an 4101 that prayer can be shortened in the case of an enemy being nearby and hence the shortest prayer includes one prostration.
Some will say that the shortening involves length and not the rak?at number. However this is vague and not in keeping with the Qur?an
?Surely your Lord knows that you stand nearly two-thirds of the night, and (sometimes) half of it, and (sometimes) a third of it, and (also) a party of those with you; and Allah measures the night and the day. He knows that you are not able to do it, so He has turned to you (mercifully), therefore read what is easy of the Quran.?
7320
There is no specific length for one unit (contrary to tradition) and therefore the shortening of salaat refers to units. See this ayah
?Not all of them are alike Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right) They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration.?
Qur?an 3113
RECITATION
?And recite what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord, there is none who can alter His words; and you shall not find any refuge besides Him.?
Qur?an 1827
?Recite that which has been revealed to you of the Book and keep up prayer; surely prayer keeps (one) away from indecency and evil, and certainly the remembrance of Allah is the greatest, and Allah knows what you do.?
Qur?an 2945
?Not all of them are alike Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right) They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration.?
Qur?an 3113
TONE
?Say Call upon Allah or call upon, the Beneficent Allah; whichever you call upon, He has the best names; and do not utter your prayer with a very raised voice nor be silent with regard to it, and seek a way between these.?
Qur?an 17110
WORDS
Al-Fatiha
?And certainly We have given you seven of the oft-repeated (verses) and the grand Quran.?
Qur?an 1587
?So when you recite the Quran, seek refuge with Allah from the accursed Shaitan.?
Qur?an 1698
(One could recite Sura 114, An-Nas).
?Recite as many ayat as is easy.? (7320).
WHAT TO RECITE WHILST BOWING AND PROSTRATING (SUGGESTIONS)
BOWING
?And say (All) praise is due to Allah, Who has not taken a son and Who has not a partner in the kingdom, and Who has not a helper to save Him from disgrace; and proclaim His greatness magnifying (Him).?
Qur?an 17111
(Note ?proclaim His greatness? implies reciting ?Allahu Akbar?. At this stage one might recite Sura 112 al-Ikhlas instead of 17111 (which could be in prostration or standing position).
?Therefore glorify the name of your Lord, the Great.?
Qur?an 5696
Changing position, one could recite ?God is great? plus (in keeping with tradition)
?Allah hears those who call on him.?
?There did Zakariya pray to his Lord; he said My Lord! grant me from Thee good offspring; surely Thou art the Hearer of prayer.?
338
PROSTRATING
(There are two prostrations per unit)
First prostration
?Say Believe in it or believe not; surely those who are given the knowledge before it fall down on their faces, making obeisance when it is recited to them.?
Qur?an 17107
?Glorify the name of your Lord, the Most High.?
Qur?an 871
At this stage one could recite ?Glory be to my Lord, the Most High, Who has not taken a son and Who has not a partner in the kingdom, and Who has not a helper to save Him from disgrace.?
Second prostration
?And they say Glory be to our Lord! most surely the promise of our Lord was to be fulfilled. And they fall down on their faces weeping, and it adds to their humility.?
Qur?an 17108-109
One could declare ?Glory be to my Lord, the Most High, Whose promise will surely be fulfilled.?
?And glorify Him in the night and after prostrations.?
Qur?an 5040
When kneeling, one might declare ?God is great?.
The Shahada should be recited before or after (more logically after) prostrations
?And return to your Lord time after time and submit to Him before there comes to you the punishment, then you shall not be helped.?
Qur?an 3954
The Shahada is
?I bear witness that there is no god but God, and I submit to the Lord of the Universe.?
This comes from
?Allah bears witness that there is no god but He, and (so do) the angels and those possessed of knowledge, maintaining His creation with justice; there is no god but He, the Mighty, the Wise.?
Qur?an 318
?But if they dispute with you, say I have submitted myself entirely to Allah and (so) every one who follows me; and say to those who have been given the Book and the unlearned people Do you submit yourselves? So if they submit then indeed they follow the right way; and if they turn back, then upon you is only the delivery of the message and Allah sees the servants.?
Qur?an 320
?Say I am forbidden to serve those whom you call upon besides Allah when clear arguments have come to me from my Lord, and I am commanded that I should submit to the Lord of the worlds.?
Qur?an 4066
To simply declare ?There is no god but God? is incomplete since even Iblis acknowledges this.
This completes one unit.
Having analysed the clear, complete and fully-detailed Qur?an, we can compare the salaat given to that obtained from the ?prophetic Sunna?. We find that the prayer of tradition is very much the same although minor details have been prescribed and fixed. The pith of the salaat is the recitation after al-Fatiha, and there is no set rule or length for this. Allah (SWT) (who never runs out of words (18109-110)) could have specified salaat as a fixed ritual, but instead it is a remembrance (2014). If it is able to be practiced on horseback (2239) etc. then it cannot matter if we do not perform it exactly as according to the form obtained by combining (many) ahadith
http//al-mawrid.org/pages/articles_english_detail.php?rid=156&cid=312
It does not matter which words we utter
?Say Call upon Allah or call upon, the Beneficent Allah; whichever you call upon, He has the best names; and do not utter your prayer with a very raised voice nor be silent with regard to it, and seek a way between these.?
Qur?an 17110
The positions of bowing and prostrating are a completion of the prayer. Physical positions/gestures are the outer layer whilst the recitation when standing plus the Shahada are the core
??and proclaim His greatness magnifying .?
Qur?an 17111
5 TIMES FOR PRAYER
?And keep up prayer in two parts of the day and in the first hours of the night; surely good deeds take away evil deeds; this is a reminder to the mindful.?
Qur?an 11114
The above lists three prayers.
?Bear then patiently what they say, and glorify your Lord by the praising of Him before the rising of the sun and before its setting, and during hours of the night do also glorify (Him) and during the ends of the day, that you may be well pleased.?
Qur?an 20130
There is the dawn prayer (?before the rising of the sun?) and the night prayer (?during parts of the night?). The afternoon prayer is implied (?before its setting?), and the sunset prayer (?during the ends of the day?).
?Therefore glory be to Allah when you enter upon the time of the evening and when you enter upon the time of the morning. And to Him belongs praise in the heavens and the earth, and at nightfall and when you are at midday.?
Qur?an 3017-18
The above mentions three prayers (dawn, sunset and nightfall) plus midday.
?Attend constantly to prayers and to the middle prayer and stand up truly obedient to Allah.?
Qur?an 2238
This is the ?fifth? prayer, in between the other four. It is when the sun is midway down (equidistant from the rest).
It could be argued that ?glorification? is not salaat, but then all the periods of glorification correspond to salaat times (e.g. dawn and night). Furthermore, in 20130 Muhammad (SAW) is being told to patiently glorify Allah (SWT) at the specific times. In 20132 he is instructed to pass this onto other believers
?And enjoin prayer on your followers, and steadily adhere to it; We do not ask you for subsistence; We do give you subsistence, and the (good) end is for guarding (against evil).?
Qur?an 20132
The below ayah suggests remembrance is only different under certain circumstances
?Then when you have finished the prayer, remember Allah standing and sitting and reclining; but when you are secure (from danger) keep up prayer; surely prayer is a timed ordinance for the believers.?
Qur?an 4103
Note that salaat is at fixed times.
The Friday prayer is during daytime (a time not otherwise allocated for salaat (by word) in the Qur?an)
?O you who believe! when the call is made for prayer on Friday, then hasten to the remembrance of Allah and leave off trading; that is better for you, if you know. But when the prayer is ended, then disperse abroad in the land and seek of Allah?s grace, and remember Allah much, that you may be successful.?
Qur?an 629-10
(hence the midday and middle prayers). Note here that the remembrance of Allah (SWT) is specified as prayer
?He said My Lord! appoint a sign for me. Said He Your sign is that you should not speak to men for three days except by signs; and remember your Lord much and glorify Him in the evening and the morning.?
Qur?an 341
?Surely I am Allah, there is no god but I, therefore serve Me and keep up prayer for My remembrance.?
Qur?an 2014
?Recite that which has been revealed to you of the Book and keep up prayer; surely prayer keeps (one) away from indecency and evil, and certainly the remembrance of Allah is the greatest, and Allah knows what you do.?
Qur?an 2945
?And withhold yourself with those who call on their Lord morning and evening desiring His goodwill, and let not your eyes pass from them, desiring the beauties of this world's life; and do not follow him whose heart We have made unmindful to Our remembrance, and he follows his low desires and his case is one in which due bounds are exceeded.?
Qur?an 1828
Since four prayers have been established, the middle prayer implies that there are five. However, there is sufficient evidence to associate glorification with remembrance (as additional proof)
?In houses which Allah has permitted to be exalted and that His name may be remembered in them; there glorify Him in the mornings and the evenings, Men whom neither merchandise nor selling diverts from the remembrance of Allah and the keeping up of prayer and the giving of poor-rate; they fear a day in which the hearts and eyes shall turn about.?
Qur?an 2436-37
?Do you not see that Allah is He Whom do glorify all those who are in the heavens and the earth, and the (very) birds with expanded wings? He knows the prayer of each one and its glorification, and Allah is Cognizant of what they do.?
Qur?an 2441
?Therefore celebrate the praise of your Lord, and be of those who prostrate.?
Qur?an 1598
?And glorify Him in the night and after the prostrations.?
Qur?an 5040
Perhaps glorification is a separate pillar, but in light of the above it seems (to me) unlikely and illogical.
Finally, there is evidence in 1778 that there are prayers between midday and nightfall
?Keep up prayer from the declining of the sun ?til the darkness of the night and the morning recitation; surely the morning recitation is witnessed.?
It is true that we are told to remember Allah (SWT) ?standing, sitting and lying on our sides? (3191), but surely that is in between the prayers since if we forget Allah (SWT) then we will forget to pray. i.e. we remember Him on a conscious level (between salaat) and an active level (salaat).
?Those who remember Allah standing and sitting and lying on their sides and reflect on the creation of the heavens and the earth Our Lord! Thou hast not created this in vain! Glory be to Thee; save us then from the chastisement of the fire...?
Qur?an 3191
This conforms to 5040 in which we are instructed to glorify Him after prostrations (prayers). To my understanding, the remembrance itself is kept up (re-established) via prayer.
?Remembering? always (to my knowledge) involves a recital or imploring
?And remember your Lord within yourself humbly and fearing and in a voice not loud in the morning and the evening and be not of the heedless ones.?
Qur?an 7205
6210 also establishes remembrance as a means to be successful, and hence it is an active function maintained by prayer.
Furthermore, 5039-40 provides evidence that glorification is intertwined with salaat
?Therefore be patient of what they say, and sing the praise of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before the setting. And glorify Him in the night and after the prayers.?
Qur?an 5039-40
In short, glorification is to be continued in between and after the specific times mentioned (i.e. salaat times).
NOTE
Regarding Friday prayer, it would be at midday since this is a specific time allocated as a time for glorification. It could be at 3pm but midday is most appropriate to this ayah because people have more opportunity to go abroad and conduct business whilst a society devoted to Allah (SWT) would opt for the earlier time of congregation and not the latter.
Besides, a salaat-time at midday is indicated
?Keep up prayer from the declining of the sun till the darkness of the night and the morning recitation; surely the morning recitation is witnessed.?
Qur?an 1778
SUMMARY
?And keep up prayer in the two parts of the day and in the first hours of the night; surely good deeds take away evil deeds; this is a reminder to the mindful.?
Qur?an 11114
The word ?wa? (and) helps me to understand it as three prayers. There is the night prayer and two other prayers.
The dawn and night prayers
?O you who believe! let those whom your right hands possess and those of you who have not attained to puberty ask permission of you three times; before the morning prayer, and when you put off your clothes at midday in summer, and after the prayer of the nightfall; these are three times of privacy for you; neither is it a sin for you nor for them besides these, some of you must go round about (waiting) upon others; thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, and Allah is Knowing, Wise.?
Qur?an 2458
In this same verse we are told that midday is a time for changing clothes, listed in the context of two other prayers. Changing clothes implies ablution (although I won't say it states it specifically) and besides people would change their clothes before fajr prayer (i.e. Allah (SWT) states that we should enter masjids well-dressed) such that there is no reason why people could not change their clothes before the midday prayer (the clothes might get dirty as people get sweaty etc.). The fact that it is a time of privacy makes it clear that it is a time for remembrance (associated strongly with salaat throughout the Qur'an). The Friday prayer is an exception, where we are expected to congregate.
There is at least one prayer during the day
?O you who believe! when the call is made for prayer on Friday, then hasten to the remembrance of Allah and leave off trading; that is better for you, if you know. But when the prayer is ended, then disperse abroad in the land and seek of Allah?s grace, and remember Allah much, that you may be successful.?
Qur?an 629-10
?In houses which Allah has permitted to be exalted and that His name may be remembered in them; there glorify Him in the mornings and the evenings, Men whom neither merchandise nor selling diverts from the remembrance of Allah and the keeping up of prayer and the giving of poor-rate; they fear a day in which the hearts and eyes shall turn about.?
Qur?an 2436-37
In 20130 Muhammad (SAW) is being told to patiently glorify Allah (SWT) at specific times
?Bear then patiently what they say, and glorify your Lord by the praising of Him before the rising of the sun and before its setting, and during hours of the night do also glorify (Him) and during parts of the day, that you may be well pleased.?
Qur?an 20130
In 20132 he is instructed to pass this onto other believers
?And enjoin prayer on your followers, and steadily adhere to it; We do not ask you for subsistence; We do give you subsistence, and the (good) end is for guarding (against evil).?
Qur?an 20132
Since midday is a time for glorification and the peak of the day, the prayer which is on Friday congregational is at midday. It could be the middle prayer but midday is most appropriate to this ayah because people have more opportunity to go abroad and conduct business whilst a society devoted to Allah (SWT) would opt for the earlier time of congregation and not the latter.
The middle prayer (afternoon) prayer
?Attend constantly to prayers and to the middle prayer and stand up truly obedient to Allah.?
Qur?an 2238
This is the ?fifth? prayer, in between the other four. It is when the sun is midway down (equidistant from the rest). Also, ?salawaat? (the plural noun used in this ayah), must mean at least three prayers (plus/and the SALAATULWUSTAA (the middle prayer)).
We can compare this to the traditional times and find that we are identical. There is no restriction on praying and remembering Allah (SWT) beyond this.
Khuda Hafiz
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Peace MesMorial,
I appreciate your efforts in studying the subject. However=, I find that your post is full of assumptions regarding the meanings of Quranic terminology. Therefore I would just like to ask if you considered the termiology in isolation in the verses you quoted or did you look at the various occurrences throughout the Quran?
Imraan
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Peace MM,
You obviously spent time putting that list together, but it seems you did not study the actual words and verses too carefully. So its hard to tell how solid that presentation is for a serious student of The Quran.
But it is a big subject, so it would take a huge amount of time to go through all those verses.
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ABLUTION
Good work , but , i can feel that u put the sectarian salat in your mind, and than looked for verses , because i see verses from end saying stand up and verses in the midlle saying stand up while verses earlier than others saying prostrate, the point is , how dod u get the order of salat ?
another sthink, when u say bow down does it mean incline ? how to incline, do we put hands on knees or so we just incline ? and does incline mean Rukua or sujoud? because incline in arabic means Inhinaa and it doesn't exist in the quran
u have to take the salat from hadiths or sects or u can't come up with mixed verses and put them in order.
what about the 5 times, why aren't they in one clear verse ? the only times and clear verses are about 2 salat, some interpret them 3 salat, but i didn't see any verses say 5 salat
a lot of effort though and appreciated .
Ultimate qestion, what to say when incline , bowing ? from what verse?
the ultimate question, u said the order, standing bowing prostrating, do we stand after bowing or from bowing we fall to prostrate?
no matter how u put it, salat the way sectarians do it in snot detailed in their way
it is detailed and it's there but one cannot see it if he's looking for the sectarian way.
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?Therefore glory be to Allah when you enter upon the time of the evening and when you enter upon the time of the morning. And to Him belongs praise in the heavens and the earth, and at nightfall and when you are at midday.?
can you explain the difference between glory to allah , and glorify your lord ?
because i seee this verse as allah glorifying himself for when we sleep and wake up as death, and when we take a nap and wake up in the afternoon also as death . it doesn't sound like glorify your lord, it sounds more like Glory to allah for they sat partenars to him, or glory to allah for he didn't have a son etc...
verse of salat are orders , glorify your lord in the morning and the evening , for example.weird how ablition is all in one verse, and salat isn't !!!!
times of salat are all in one verse , and people cannot see them, they have to go the dozens of verses and interpret them to come up with a disired number, i can come up with 6 salats that way, and some people can interpret as 7 salat a day
but in reality , verses explain others, so if we don't understand the times of salat in one verse, we look into another. -
?Therefore glory be to Allah when you enter upon the time of the evening and when you enter upon the time of the morning. And to Him belongs praise in the heavens and the earth, and at nightfall and when you are at midday.?
can you explain the difference between glory to allah , and glorify your lord ?
because i seee this verse as allah glorifying himself for when we sleep and wake up as death, and when we take a nap and wake up in the afternoon also as death . it doesn't sound like glorify your lord, it sounds more like Glory to allah for they sat partenars to him, or glory to allah for he didn't have a son etc...
verse of salat are orders , glorify your lord in the morning and the evening , for example.weird how ablition is all in one verse, and salat isn't !!!!
times of salat are all in one verse , and people cannot see them, they have to go the dozens of verses and interpret them to come up with a disired number, i can come up with 6 salats that way, and some people can interpret as 7 salat a day
but in reality , verses explain others, so if we don't understand the times of salat in one verse, we look into another.All the answers to your questions are in my post.
E.g. you ask about glorification and salaat
"In 20130 Muhammad (SAW) is being told to patiently glorify Allah (SWT) at specific times
?Bear then patiently what they say, and glorify your Lord by the praising of Him before the rising of the sun and before its setting, and during hours of the night do also glorify (Him) and during parts of the day, that you may be well pleased.?
Qur?an 20130
In 20132 he is instructed to pass this onto other believers
?And enjoin prayer on your followers, and steadily adhere to it; We do not ask you for subsistence; We do give you subsistence, and the (good) end is for guarding (against evil).?
Qur?an 20132"
The order of standing, sujood and ruku are given
"?And when We assigned to Ibrahim the place of the House, saying Do not associate with Me aught, and purify My House for those who make the circuit and stand (to pray) and bow (ruku) and prostrate themselves.?
Qur?an 2226"
It does not matter to me how different people interpret it. The point of this post is simply a response to sectarianists and being a particular type of Qur'an-alone Muslim I accept some ahadith as history. If what I understand from Qur'an is confirmed in the ahadith (or vice versa) then I can accept it (I don't accept it as obligatory, but merely as acceptable in itself). There are few ahadith for that, but another is the sacred months. We know that the lunar calendars changes a little each year and thus the names of some months will not match their season. However if we look at the names of the months then it becomes apparent which they are. This is confirmed by the most authentic hadith (the same hadith that confirms the Qur'an-alone perspective).
Khuda Hafiz
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All the answers to your questions are in my post.
E.g. you ask about glorification and salaat
"In 20130 Muhammad (SAW) is being told to patiently glorify Allah (SWT) at specific times
?Bear then patiently what they say, and glorify your Lord by the praising of Him before the rising of the sun and before its setting, and during hours of the night do also glorify (Him) and during parts of the day, that you may be well pleased.?
Qur?an 20130
In 20132 he is instructed to pass this onto other believers
?And enjoin prayer on your followers, and steadily adhere to it; We do not ask you for subsistence; We do give you subsistence, and the (good) end is for guarding (against evil).?
Qur?an 20132"
The order of standing, sujood and ruku are given
"?And when We assigned to Ibrahim the place of the House, saying Do not associate with Me aught, and purify My House for those who make the circuit and stand (to pray) and bow (ruku) and prostrate themselves.?
Qur?an 2226"
It does not matter to me how different people interpret it. The point of this post is simply a response to sectarianists and being a particular type of Qur'an-alone Muslim I accept some ahadith as history. If what I understand from Qur'an is confirmed in the ahadith (or vice versa) then I can accept it (I don't accept it as obligatory, but merely as acceptable in itself). There are few ahadith for that, but another is the sacred months. We know that the lunar calendars changes a little each year and thus the names of some months will not match their season. However if we look at the names of the months then it becomes apparent which they are. This is confirmed by the most authentic hadith (the same hadith that confirms the Qur'an-alone perspective).
Khuda Hafiz
my question was what is the difference between , glory to allah, or glorify your lord ?
anyways, there is something that doesn't make sense, the word salat
is salat a rituel ? why would god insist so much on a rituel ? when u read it in the quran, it is like the reason we exist, a few rituels , and it sounds like god created us for rituels , so we can do rituels for him so he will be pleased
i personnaly don't see anything universal in rituals, it is more like sect mind, a set of rules of mouvements done by people who are in the line and believe in these rituels !
Whaen god gave the quran to mohamed, he told him this book is for humanity , for all mankind, meaning universel, all cultures and places , but, it doesn't make sense that he told him here is a set of rituels to give to mankind to abide with so they might prosper
what about gouvernements ? do they have salat ? is salat a rituel or a bond with god ? for his law and guidance !
I believe most of the verses u posted have nothing to do with rituels ! religions cannot survive without rituels, while islam isn't a religion but a system of life and conduct, how can it be rituels ?
Morning and evening is stresssed many times in the quran
standing and prostrating is told a few times, but i didn't see any incline in these verses . Rukua isn't incline, because in arabic, incline is INHINAA . and this word dosn't exist in the quran , hw to explain that ?
and how to explain what to say in inclining? there isn't a single verse that say incline and say glory to god the great .
there is verses that say prostrate and glorify your lord , this i know, but not incline at all, some translate rukuaa as bowing down, but in arabic rukuaa comes from the word rukba and kuaa wich is hand and it says Kharra, meaning fall, how can we fall rukuaa, ? because incline isn't falling, we still standing on feet, and falling rukaa for prostrating, that is hands anf knees on the ground , so u can prostrate your face , I honestly can't see incline in the quran ! and bowing down isn't rukua
too many questions, because too many things added in our mind wich in reality dosn't exist .
if u can prouve rukuaa that salat is like sectarians do.
the only detailed salat i can see is standing and prostrating.
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Salaam MesMorial,
All the answers to your questions are in my post.
E.g. you ask about glorification and salaat
"In 20130 Muhammad (SAW) is being told to patiently glorify Allah (SWT) at specific times
?Bear then patiently what they say, and glorify your Lord by the praising of Him before the rising of the sun and before its setting, and during hours of the night do also glorify (Him) and during parts of the day, that you may be well pleased.?
Where is Mohammed in 20130?
Even I cannot see Mohammed in your translation above.
May Allah open our hearts to understand and accept the truth. pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
Peace MesMorial,
It does not matter to me how different people interpret it. The point of this post is simply a response to sectarianists and being a particular type of Qur'an-alone Muslim I accept some ahadith as history. If what I understand from Qur'an is confirmed in the ahadith (or vice versa) then I can accept it (I don't accept it as obligatory, but merely as acceptable in itself). There are few ahadith for that, but another is the sacred months. We know that the lunar calendars changes a little each year and thus the names of some months will not match their season. However if we look at the names of the months then it becomes apparent which they are. This is confirmed by the most authentic hadith (the same hadith that confirms the Qur'an-alone perspective).
This is the sectarianist Sunni view. What if writing from a Spanish book in history contained some things that agreed with The Quran, such as promoting the prohibition of stealing, murder, promoting serving God, etc. but also contained some nonsensical narrations - would you follow it as a source for islam beside The Quran? The point is not only following the "Quran alone" because there are many faulty narrations/"ahadith" attributed to islam and Muhammad, but because God sent us a complete, clear and detailed book that needs absolutely NO supplemental writing to be complete.
If you want to follow a "hadith" nonetheless, I suggest this one "The prophet said'Do not write anything from me except the Quran. Whoever wrote , must destroy it" (Muslim, Zuhd 72; Hanbel 3/12,21,39). ;D
456 These are God's signs that We recite to you with truth. So, in which hadith, after God and His signs, do they trust?
