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Can someone give a clear explanation of the difference between Warsh and Hafs, a

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    loxbox13
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    It'a video in arabic

    http//islamexplained.com/UVG/UVG_video_player/TabId/89/VideoId/47/174--.aspx

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      Few examples, in arabic, anyone who knows arabic can explain ?

      • 125 " "

      • 125 "" "


      • 161 "

      • 161 ''"


      • 18 " "

      • 18 " "


      • 184 " "

      • 184 " "


      22 '' ''

      22 ''

      • 146 " "

      • 146 " "

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        Man,y of the times , the word has a different meaning, even though it doesn't neccessary change the meaning of the verse, but because Allah said he will protect Dhikr, and didn't say Quran, can we use the Dhikr to find the real words of the quran ?
        Is dhikr mean wisdom or guidance or meanings in the quran ?

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          sourah 30 verse 22

          Hafs wrote Lilaalimine ( those knowlegeble ) , all others wrote lilaalamine ( to the worlds) , not only warsh as the christians try to make it sound, in sourah 30 verse 22, but all others.
          here are similar verses also in all the quran quiraates says lilaalamine and never aalimine, except in one word at HAfs, so I believe Hafs made an error, like typing error, and all others are right, confirmed by almost a hundred verses in the quran

          396 / 3108 / 690 / 12104 / 21107 / 251 / 2915 / 3887 / 6852 / 8127


          and here the word alaalamine , and never say alimine.

          12 / 247 / 2122 / 2131 / 2251 / 333 / 342 / 528 / 5115 / 645 / 671 / 686 / 6162 / 754 / 761 / 767 / 780 / 7184 / 7121 / 7140 / 1037 / 1010 / 1570 / 2616 / 2623 / 2647 / 2677 / 2698 / 26109 / 26127 / 26145 / 26164 / 26165 / 26180 / 26192 / 278 / 2744 / 2830 / 296 / 2910 / 2928 / 322 / 3779 / 3787 / 37182 / 3975 / 4064 / 4065 / 4066 / 419 / 4346 / 4432 / 4516 / 4536 / 5680 / 5916 / 6943 / 8129 / 836

          I believe just like the quran explains itself, it also corrects itself, it's the coding of the repetitions that do that, it's the miracle of the quran, protects itself,
          please can u tell me if it's a wrong analyses, so i won't have to do other errors in other quiraates ,
          the good thing is , when there is an error, it's only in one of the quiraates. so it' can be detected and corrected, even though, the mistakes doesn't alter the meaning at all, but we can have the quran the exact same words , letter by letter, as delievered by prophet mohamed pbuh.

          PS If it's a good method, I prefer someone more knowlegeable than me who does it, like aymen, or layth or wakas others
          peace

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            ramzi
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            The answer to your question is explained in the following link, starting from page 156

            http//www.thekr.net/media/books/book01.pdf

            Regards

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              Salaaman LB13,

              Man,y of the times , the word has a different meaning, even though it doesn't neccessary change the meaning of the verse, but because Allah said he will protect Dhikr, and didn't say Quran, can we use the Dhikr to find the real words of the quran ?
              Is dhikr mean wisdom or guidance or meanings in the quran ?

              1883

              1883 And they ask you about the Two Horned One, say I will recite to you a remembrance of him.

              1916

              1916 And relate in the Book, Mary, when she withdrew herself from her family to a place which was to the east.

              1941

              1941 And recall in the Book, Abraham; he was a man of truth, a prophet.

              1951

              1951 And recall in the Book, Moses; he was loyal, and he was a messenger prophet.

              And many more... including

              2014

              2014 I am Allah, there is no god except Me, so serve Me and hold the contact prayer for My remembrance.

              and

              2110

              2110 We have sent down to you a Book in which is your remembrance. Do you not comprehend?

              Hope this may be of some help, inshaAllah.

              May Allah guide us all towards Him pr
              Mohammed M. Khan

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                Salaaman LB13,

                sourah 30 verse 22

                Hafs wrote Lilaalimine ( those knowlegeble ) , all others wrote lilaalamine ( to the worlds) , not only warsh as the christians try to make it sound, in sourah 30 verse 22, but all others.
                here are similar verses also in all the quran quiraates says lilaalamine and never aalimine, except in one word at HAfs, so I believe Hafs made an error, like typing error, and all others are right, confirmed by almost a hundred verses in the quran

                396 / 3108 / 690 / 12104 / 21107 / 251 / 2915 / 3887 / 6852 / 8127

                If so, then how about "Raoofu AlRaheem"

                654 / 6145 / 6165 / 7153 / 7167 / 869 / 870 / 95 / ......... 2422 / 2433 / 2462 / 2711 / 2816 and 342

                All the aayaats above and many more says "Raoofu AlRaheem" except 342

                2816

                2816 He said My Lord, I have wronged my soul, so forgive me. He then forgave him, for He is the Forgiver, the Merciful.

                342

                342 He knows what goes into the earth, and what comes out of it, and what comes down from the heaven, and what ascends into it. He is the Merciful, Forgiver.

                This does not mean Hafs made a mistake here nope

                I believe just like the quran explains itself, it also corrects itself, it's the coding of the repetitions that do that, it's the miracle of the quran, protects itself,
                please can u tell me if it's a wrong analyses, so i won't have to do other errors in other quiraates ,

                May be, we have to seek Allah's help and try for it.

                the good thing is , when there is an error, it's only in one of the quiraates. so it' can be detected and corrected, even though, the mistakes doesn't alter the meaning at all, but we can have the quran the exact same words , letter by letter, as delievered by prophet mohamed pbuh.

                Then how about this?

                16101

                16101 And if We exchange a revelation in place of another revelation; and Allah is more aware of what He is revealing; they say You are making this up! Alas, most of them do not know.

                Same as

                420

                420 And if you wish to replace one wife with another, and you have given one of them a large amount, then do not take anything from it. Will you take it by falsehood while it is clearly a sin?

                PS If it's a good method, I prefer someone more knowlegeable than me who does it, like aymen, or layth or wakas others
                peace

                May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
                Mohammed M. Khan

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                  sourah 30 verse 22

                  Hafs wrote Lilaalimine ( those knowlegeble ) , all others wrote lilaalamine ( to the worlds) , not only warsh as the christians try to make it sound, in sourah 30 verse 22, but all others.
                  here are similar verses also in all the quran quiraates says lilaalamine and never aalimine, except in one word at HAfs, so I believe Hafs made an error, like typing error, and all others are right, confirmed by almost a hundred verses in the quran

                  396 / 3108 / 690 / 12104 / 21107 / 251 / 2915 / 3887 / 6852 / 8127

                  Imp info /Sound plural masculine nouns are principally used to pluralize "Participles" which refer to more than two human males or to groups of male and female human beings. The Noun here is an exceptional case.

                  Lilaalimine

                  Its indefinite structure is

                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/021.%20Al%20Anmbia/21.51a.gif

                  Its nominative structure is

                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/029.%20Al%20Ankaboot/29.43a.gif

                  Its singular is

                  I hope it clarifies the reason for variation.

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                    The answer to your question is explained in the following link, starting from page 156

                    http//www.thekr.net/media/books/book01.pdf

                    Regards

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