Quran Study Group
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Peace be upon you,
How does everyone see verse 17?
I do not agree with using "emotions" to describe the God who is above emotions. So what does everyone have for "anger"?
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Salaamun alaikum Layla,
Excellent idea starting this. I hope to learn and contribute as much as I can, insha Allah. Perhaps as well as an inquiry into the meanings, we can also see the flow of this sura from beginning to end. I was stimulated to this approach by this article
http//www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Q_Studies/Mirfatihah.html
This sura starts out with 'al-hamd' , a certain emotion which leads to looking for Allah who is
- rabb al-alameen
- ar-rahmaan and ar-raheem
- maliki yaum-ad-deen.
So here we're moving from recognition of 'rabb' (role of parenting in a cosmic sense) to ar-rahmaan and ar-raheem put together.
Then, we move to maliki yaum-ad-deen, our relationship with Allah is mentioned for the first time.
Next, verse 4 which says 'to you alone we serve and to you alone we seek 'istaan'. To me, the 'and' or 'wa' here is best translated as 'that is', i.e. 'na'budu' and 'nastain' are one and the same thing. 51/56 clarifies this by saying we are created ONLY to serve him, which means there's nothing else but serving Him. This is our relationship as a response to verse 3 above.
Verses 5 moves us towards this path which we defined in verse 4 and verse 6 shows indicators of that path.
Insha Allah, if we look at this 'flow' of sura 1, we will get a better feel of it, imho.
shukran wa salaam.
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Peace be with you all,
With pleasure I see that the project is slowly developing And must admit that I have already benefited a lot from an in-depth analysis of some of the Quranic terms and the comments that have appeared here and in other threads. I am sure that more is to come! I may be a bit sad that "alamin" does not necessarily mean "worlds" (it suited so nicely the dream people have of life on other planets...) but the truth should be more important than our wishful thinking.
I would like to suggest a closer look at the term connected with "alaamin" from 12, namely Rabb. Parwez stressed the importance of "Rabb" and "Rabubiyyat". Please look at http//www.toluislam.com/pub_online/exposition/glossary_o_to_r.htm#_Toc428590298. Any opinions?
Definitely, a closer look at the Quranic context would give us more information. Insha Allah, I will prepare that for us soon (unless somebody will be faster ).
I think that "hamd" is worth a deeper investigation too (a pity that the link about it has steered off the main point, however very interesting as well!) http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2161
What do you think about Omar's (pp.540-541) differentiation between malik and maalik (with an alif) that is, that the former refers to a king, and the latter a master (alif adding to an 'intensity'). Am I wrong or is it the only occurance of "maalik" in the Quran? If Omar's suggestion is right then the translation of "nabudu" into "(we) serve" would be more proper since no-one "worships" a master... But then, on the other hand, no-one worships a king either ?
I am in the process of preparing some materials on "yaumi ad-din" and "din" itself. So please be ready too! From the suggestions so far (and Aaron, thanks for your mail!), you tend to think in the same direction as I have in mind, i.e. that "yaum" does not imply a "day" but rather a more or less specific length of time e.g "era". Hope that it will get clearer, God willing.
Looking forward to your comments and opinions.
With peace
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Peace be with you,
Please look at the verses and the context of "yaumi ad-din".
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"And the curse shall be on thee till the day of Judgment."
"You have incurred My condemnation until the Day of Judgment."
Wa-inna AAalayka allaAAnata ila yawmialddeeni2682
"And who, I hope, will forgive me my faults on the day of Judgment.
"The One who hopefully will forgive my sins on the Day of Judgment.
Waallathee atmaAAu anyaghfira lee khatee-atee yawma alddeeni3720
They will say, "Ah! Woe to us! This is the Day of Judgment!"
They will say, "Woe to us; this is the Day of Judgment."
Waqaloo ya waylana hathayawmu alddeeni3878
"And My curse shall be on thee till the Day of Judgment."
"You have incurred My condemnation until the Day of Judgment."
Wa-inna AAalayka laAAnatee ila yawmialddeeni5712
They ask, "When will be the Day of Judgment and Justice?"
They question the Day of Judgment.
Yas-aloona ayyana yawmu alddeeni5656
Such will be their entertainment on the Day of Requital!
Such is their share on the Day of Judgment.
Hatha nuzuluhum yawma alddeeni7026
And those who hold to the truth of the Day of Judgment;
They believe in the Day of Judgment
Waallatheena yusaddiqoonabiyawmi alddeeni7446
"And we used to deny the Day of Judgment,
"We disbelieved in the Day of Judgment.
Wakunna nukaththibu biyawmi alddeeni8215
Which they will enter on the Day of Judgment,
Will incur it on the Day of Judgment.
Yaslawnaha yawma alddeeni8217
And what will explain to thee what the Day of Judgment is?
Awesome is the Day of Judgment.
Wama adraka ma yawmu alddeeni8218
Again, what will explain to thee what the Day of Judgment is?
What a day; the Day of Judgment!
Thumma ma adraka mayawmu alddeeni8311
Those that deny the Day of Judgment.
They do not believe in the Day of Judgment.
Allatheena yukaththiboonabiyawmi alddeeniAny reflections?
With peace
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Peace,
And here are the Quranic verses with the word "din" on its own. Let us have a look and ponder over the verses. It will be useful to compare these with the ayats that include "yaumi ad-din" above.
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And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam."
Moreover, Abraham exhorted his children to do the same, and so did Jacob "O my children, GOD has pointed out the religion for you; do not die except as submitters."
Wawassa biha ibraheemubaneehi wayaAAqoobu ya baniyya inna Allaha istafalakumu alddeena fala tamootunna illa waantummuslimoona2193
And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.
Waqatiloohum hatta latakoona fitnatun wayakoona alddeenu lillahi fa-iniintahaw fala AAudwana illa AAala alththalimeena2256
Let there be no compulsion in religion Truth stands out clear from Error whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
There shall be no compulsion in religion the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.
La ikraha fee alddeeniqad tabayyana alrrushdu mina alghayyi faman yakfur bialttaghootiwayu/min biAllahi faqadi istamsaka bialAAurwatialwuthqa la infisama laha waAllahusameeAAun Aaaleemun319
The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will) Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.
The only religion approved by GOD is "Submission." Ironically, those who have received the scripture are the ones who dispute this fact, despite the knowledge they have received, due to jealousy. For such rejectors of GOD's revelations, GOD is most strict in reckoning.
Inna alddeena AAinda Allahial-islamu wama ikhtalafa allatheena ootooalkitaba illa min baAAdi ma jaahumualAAilmu baghyan baynahum waman yakfur bi-ayati Allahifa-inna Allaha sareeAAu alhisabi446
Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say "We hear and we disobey"; and "Hear what is not Heard"; and "Ra'ina"; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said "What hear and we obey"; and "Do hear"; and "Do look at us"; it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allah hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe.
Among those who are Jewish, some distort the words beyond the truth, and they say, "We hear, but we disobey," and "Your words are falling on deaf ears," and "Raa'ena (be our shepherd)," as they twist their tongues to mock the religion. Had they said, "We hear, and we obey," and "We hear you," and "Unzurna (watch over us)," it would have been better for them, and more righteous. Instead, they have incurred condemnation from GOD due to their disbelief. Consequently, the majority of them cannot believe.
Mina allatheena hadoo yuharrifoonaalkalima AAan mawadiAAihi wayaqooloona samiAAnawaAAasayna waismaAA ghayra musmaAAin waraAAinalayyan bi-alsinatihim wataAAnan fee alddeeni walawannahum qaloo samiAAna waataAAna waismaAAwaonthurna lakana khayranlahum waaqwama walakin laAAanahumu Allahubikufrihim fala yu/minoona illa qaleelan729
Say "My Lord hath commanded justice; and that ye set your whole selves (to Him) at every time and place of prayer, and call upon Him, making your devotion sincere as in His sight such as He created you in the beginning, so shall ye return."
Say, "My Lord advocates justice, and to stand devoted to Him alone at every place of worship. You shall devote your worship absolutely to Him alone. Just as He initiated you, you will ultimately go back to Him."
Qul amara rabbee bialqistiwaaqeemoo wujoohakum AAinda kulli masjidin waodAAoohumukhliseena lahu alddeena kama badaakumtaAAoodoona839
And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
You shall fight them to ward off oppression, and to practice your religion devoted to GOD alone. If they refrain from aggression, then GOD is fully Seer of everything they do.
Waqatiloohum hatta latakoona fitnatun wayakoona alddeenu kulluhu lillahifa-ini intahaw fa-inna Allaha bima yaAAmaloona baseerun872
Those who believed, and adopted exile, and fought for the Faith, with their property and their persons, in the cause of Allah, as well as those who gave (them) asylum and aid,- these are (all) friends and protectors, one of another. As to those who believed but came not into exile, ye owe no duty of protection to them until they come into exile; but if they seek your aid in religion, it is your duty to help them, except against a people with whom ye have a treaty of mutual alliance. And (remember) Allah seeth all that ye do.
Surely, those who believed, and emigrated, and strove with their money and their lives in the cause of GOD, as well as those who hosted them and gave them refuge, and supported them, they are allies of one another. As for those who believe, but do not emigrate with you, you do not owe them any support, until they do emigrate. However, if they need your help, as brethren in faith, you shall help them, except against people with whom you have signed a peace treaty. GOD is Seer of everything you do.
Inna allatheena amanoo wahajaroowajahadoo bi-amwalihim waanfusihim fee sabeeli Allahiwaallatheena awaw wanasaroo ola-ikabaAAduhum awliyao baAAdin waallatheenaamanoo walam yuhajiroo ma lakum min walayatihimmin shay-in hatta yuhajiroo wa-ini istansarookumfee alddeeni faAAalaykumu alnnasru illaAAala qawmin baynakum wabaynahum meethaqun waAllahubima taAAmaloona baseerun911
But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand.
If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), then they are your brethren in religion. We thus explain the revelations for people who know.
Fa-in taboo waaqamoo alssalatawaatawoo alzzakata fa-ikhwanukum feealddeeni wanufassilu al-ayatiliqawmin yaAAlamoona933
It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).
He is the One who sent His messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, and will make it dominate all religions, in spite of the idol worshipers.
Huwa allathee arsala rasoolahu bialhudawadeeni alhaqqi liyuthhirahu AAala alddeenikullihi walaw kariha almushrikoona936
The number of months in the sight of Allah is twelve (in a year)- so ordained by Him the day He created the heavens and the earth; of them four are sacred that is the straight usage. So wrong not yourselves therein, and fight the Pagans all together as they fight you all together. But know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.
The count of months, as far as GOD is concerned, is twelve. This has been GOD's law, since the day He created the heavens and the earth. Four of them are sacred. This is the perfect religion; you shall not wrong your souls (by fighting) during the Sacred Months. However, you may declare all-out war against the idol worshipers (even during the Sacred Months), when they declare all-out war against you, and know that GOD is on the side of the righteous.
Inna AAiddata alshshuhoori AAinda Allahiithna AAashara shahran fee kitabi Allahiyawma khalaqa alssamawati waal-ardaminha arbaAAatun hurumun thalika alddeenualqayyimu fala tathlimoo feehinna anfusakumwaqatiloo almushrikeena kaffatan kama yuqatiloonakumkaffatan waiAAlamoo anna Allaha maAAaalmuttaqeena9122
Nor should the Believers all go forth together if a contingent from every expedition remained behind, they could devote themselves to studies in religion, and admonish the people when they return to them,- that thus they (may learn) to guard themselves (against evil).
When the believers mobilize, not all of them shall do so. A few from each group shall mobilize by devoting their time to studying the religion. Thus, they can pass the knowledge on to their people when they return, that they may remain religiously informed.
Wama kana almu/minoonaliyanfiroo kaffatan falawla nafara min kullifirqatin minhum ta-ifatun liyatafaqqahoo fee alddeeniwaliyunthiroo qawmahum itha rajaAAoo ilayhimlaAAallahum yahtharoona1022
He it is Who enableth you to traverse through land and sea; so that ye even board ships;- they sail with them with a favourable wind, and they rejoice thereat; then comes a stormy wind and the waves come to them from all sides, and they think they are being overwhelmed they cry unto Allah, sincerely offering (their) duty unto Him saying, "If thou dost deliver us from this, we shall truly show our gratitude!"
He is the One who moves you across the land and sea. You get onto the ships, and they sail smoothly in a nice breeze. Then, while rejoicing therein, violent wind blows, and the waves surround them from every side. This is when they implore GOD, sincerely devoting their prayers to Him alone "If You only save us this time, we will be eternally appreciative."
Huwa allathee yusayyirukum feealbarri waalbahri hatta ithakuntum fee alfulki wajarayna bihim bireehin tayyibatinwafarihoo biha jaat-ha reehunAAasifun wajaahumu almawju min kulli makaninwathannoo annahum oheeta bihimdaAAawoo Allaha mukhliseena lahu alddeenala-in anjaytana min hathihi lanakoonanna mina alshshakireena1240
"If not Him, ye worship nothing but names which ye have named,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah hath sent down no authority the command is for none but Allah He hath commanded that ye worship none but Him that is the right religion, but most men understand not...
"You do not worship beside Him except innovations that you have made up, you and your parents. GOD has never authorized such idols. All ruling belongs to GOD, and He has ruled that you shall not worship except Him. This is the perfect religion, but most people do not know.
Ma taAAbudoona min doonihi illaasmaan sammaytumooha antum waabaokumma anzala Allahu biha min sultaninini alhukmu illa lillahi amara allataAAbudoo illa iyyahu thalika alddeenualqayyimu walakinna akthara alnnasi layaAAlamoona1652
To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and on earth, and to Him is duty due always then will ye fear other than Allah?
To Him belongs everything in the heavens and the earth and therefore, the religion shall be devoted absolutely to Him alone. Would you worship other than GOD?
Walahu ma fee alssamawatiwaal-ardi walahu alddeenu wasibanafaghayra Allahi tattaqoona2278
And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline). He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the cult of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind! So establish regular Prayer, give regular Charity, and hold fast to Allah! He is your Protector - the Best to protect and the Best to help!
You shall strive for the cause of GOD as you should strive for His cause. He has chosen you and has placed no hardship on you in practicing your religion - the religion of your father Abraham. He is the one who named you "Submitters" originally. Thus, the messenger shall serve as a witness among you, and you shall serve as witnesses among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), and hold fast to GOD; He is your Lord, the best Lord and the best Supporter.
Wajahidoo fee Allahi haqqajihadihi huwa ijtabakum wama jaAAalaAAalaykum fee alddeeni min harajin millata abeekumibraheema huwa sammakumu almuslimeena min qabluwafee hatha liyakoona alrrasoolu shaheedanAAalaykum watakoonoo shuhadaa AAala alnnasifaaqeemoo alssalata waatoo alzzakatawaiAAtasimoo biAllahi huwa mawlakumfaniAAma almawla waniAAma alnnaseeru2965
Now, if they embark on a boat, they call on Allah, making their devotion sincerely (and exclusively) to Him; but when He has delivered them safely to (dry) land, behold, they give a share (of their worship to others)!-
When they ride on a ship, they implore GOD, devoting their prayers to Him. But as soon as He saves them to the shore, they revert to idolatry.
Fa-itha rakiboo fee alfulki daAAawooAllaha mukhliseena lahu alddeena falammanajjahum ila albarri itha hum yushrikoona3030
So set thou thy face steadily and truly to the Faith (establish) Allah's handiwork according to the pattern on which He has made mankind no change (let there be) in the work (wrought) by Allah that is the standard Religion but most among mankind understand not.
Therefore, you shall devote yourself to the religion of strict monotheism. Such is the natural instinct placed into the people by GOD. Such creation of GOD will never change. This is the perfect religion, but most people do not know.
Faaqim wajhaka lilddeeni haneefanfitrata Allahi allatee fatara alnnasaAAalayha la tabdeela likhalqi Allahi thalikaalddeenu alqayyimu walakinna akthara alnnasila yaAAlamoona3132
When a wave covers them like the canopy (of clouds), they call to Allah, offering Him sincere devotion. But when He has delivered them safely to land, there are among them those that halt between (right and wrong). But none reject Our Signs except only a perfidious ungrateful (wretch)!
When violent waves surround them, they implore GOD, sincerely devoting their prayers to Him alone. But as soon as He saves them to the shore, some of them revert. None discards our revelations except those who are betrayers, unappreciative.
Wa-itha ghashiyahum mawjun kaalththulalidaAAawoo Allaha mukhliseena lahu alddeenafalamma najjahum ila albarri faminhum muqtasidunwama yajhadu bi-ayatina illakullu khattarin kafoorin335
Call them by (the names of) their fathers that is juster in the sight of Allah. But if ye know not their father's (names, call them) your Brothers in faith, or your maulas. But there is no blame on you if ye make a mistake therein (what counts is) the intention of your hearts and Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.
You shall give your adopted children names that preserve their relationship to their genetic parents. This is more equitable in the sight of GOD. If you do not know their parents, then, as your brethren in religion, you shall treat them as members of your family. You do not commit a sin if you make a mistake in this respect; you are responsible for your purposeful intentions. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
OdAAoohum li-aba-ihim huwa aqsatuAAinda Allahi fa-in lam taAAlamoo abaahumfa-ikhwanukum fee alddeeni wamawaleekumwalaysa AAalaykum junahun feema akhta/tumbihi walakin ma taAAammadat quloobukum wakanaAllahu ghafooran raheeman392
Verily it is We Who have revealed the Book to thee in Truth so serve Allah, offering Him sincere devotion.
We sent down to you this scripture, truthfully; you shall worship GOD, devoting your religion to Him alone.
Inna anzalna ilayka alkitababialhaqqi faoAAbudi Allaha mukhlisanlahu alddeena393
Is it not to Allah that sincere devotion is due? But those who take for protectors other than Allah (say) "We only serve them in order that they may bring us nearer to Allah." Truly Allah will judge between them in that wherein they differ. But Allah guides not such as are false and ungrateful.
Absolutely, the religion shall be devoted to GOD alone. Those who set up idols beside Him say, "We idolize them only to bring us closer to GOD; for they are in a better position!" GOD will judge them regarding their disputes. GOD does not guide such liars, disbelievers.
Ala lillahi alddeenualkhalisu waallatheena ittakhathoomin doonihi awliyaa ma naAAbuduhum illaliyuqarriboona ila Allahi zulfa innaAllaha yahkumu baynahum fee ma hum feehiyakhtalifoona inna Allaha la yahdee man huwa kathibunkaffarun3911
Say "Verily, I am commanded to serve Allah with sincere devotion;
Say, "I have been commanded to worship GOD, devoting the religion absolutely to Him alone
Qul innee omirtu an aAAbuda Allahamukhlisan lahu alddeena4014
Call ye, then, upon Allah with sincere devotion to Him, even though the Unbelievers may detest it.
Therefore, you shall devote your worship absolutely to GOD ALONE, even if the disbelievers dislike it.
FaodAAoo Allaha mukhliseenalahu alddeena walaw kariha alkafiroona4065
He is the Living (One) There is no god but He Call upon Him, giving Him sincere devotion. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds!
He is the Living; there is no god except He. You shall worship Him alone, devoting your religion absolutely to Him alone. Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe.
Huwa alhayyu la ilahailla huwa faodAAoohu mukhliseena lahu alddeenaalhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameena4213
The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).
He decreed for you the same religion decreed for Noah, and what we inspired to you, and what we decreed for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus "You shall uphold this one religion, and do not divide it." The idol worshipers will greatly resent what you invite them to do. GOD redeems to Himself whomever He wills; He guides to Himself only those who totally submit.
SharaAAa lakum mina alddeeni mawassa bihi noohan waallathee awhaynailayka wama wassayna bihi ibraheemawamoosa waAAeesa an aqeemoo alddeena walatatafarraqoo feehi kabura AAala almushrikeena matadAAoohum ilayhi Allahu yajtabee ilayhi man yashaowayahdee ilayhi man yuneebu4221
What! have they partners (in godhead), who have established for them some religion without the permission of Allah? Had it not been for the Decree of Judgment, the matter would have been decided between them (at once). But verily the Wrong-doers will have a grievous Penalty.
They follow idols who decree for them religious laws never authorized by GOD. If it were not for the predetermined decision, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, the transgressors have incurred a painful retribution.
Am lahum shurakao sharaAAoo lahummina alddeeni ma lam ya/than bihi Allahuwalawla kalimatu alfasli laqudiya baynahumwa-inna alththalimeena lahum Aaathabunaleemun4828
It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion and enough is Allah for a Witness.He is the One who sent His messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, to make it prevail over all other religions. GOD suffices as a witness.
Huwa allathee arsala rasoolahu bialhudawadeeni alhaqqi liyuthhirahu AAala alddeenikullihi wakafa biAllahi shaheedan4916
Say "What! Will ye instruct Allah about your religion? But Allah knows all that is in the heavens and on earth He has full knowledge of all things.
Say, "Are you informing GOD about your religion? GOD knows everything in the heavens and the earth. GOD is Omniscient."
Qul atuAAallimoona Allaha bideenikumwaAllahu yaAAlamu ma fee alssamawatiwama fee al-ardi waAllahu bikullishay-in Aaaleemun516
And verily Judgment and Justice must indeed come to pass.
The Day of Judgment is inevitable.
Wa-inna alddeena lawaqiAAun
(It is interesting to see how translators manipulate the meaning. In the Arabic there is no "day" here at all!)608
Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them for Allah loveth those who are just.
GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable.
La yanhakumu AllahuAAani allatheena lam yuqatilookum fee alddeeniwalam yukhrijookum min diyarikum an tabarroohum watuqsitooilayhim inna Allaha yuhibbu almuqsiteena609
Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.
GOD enjoins you only from befriending those who fight you because of religion, evict you from your homes, and band together with others to banish you. You shall not befriend them. Those who befriend them are the transgressors.
Innama yanhakumu AllahuAAani allatheena qatalookum fee alddeeniwaakhrajookum min diyarikum wathaharooAAala ikhrajikum an tawallawhum waman yatawallahumfaola-ika humu alththalimoona619
It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, that he may proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).
He has sent His messenger with the guidance and the true religion, and will make it dominate all religions, in spite of the idol worshipers.
Huwa allathee arsala rasoolahu bialhudawadeeni alhaqqi liyuthhirahu AAala alddeenikullihi walaw kariha almushrikoona829
Day! nit ye do reject Right and Judgment!
Indeed, you disbelieve in the religion.
Kalla bal tukaththiboona bialddeeni957
Then what can, after this, contradict thee, as to the judgment (to come)?
Why do you still reject the faith?
Fama yukaththibuka baAAdu bialddeeni985
And they have been commanded no more than this To worship Allah, offering Him sincere devotion, being true (in faith); to establish regular prayer; and to practise regular charity; and that is the Religion Right and Straight.
All that was asked of them was to worship GOD, devoting the religion absolutely to Him alone, observe the contact prayers (Salat), and give the obligatory charity (Zakat). Such is the perfect religion.
Wama omiroo illa liyaAAbudooAllaha mukhliseena lahu alddeena hunafaawayuqeemoo alssalata wayu/too alzzakatawathalika deenu alqayyimati1071
Seest thou one who denies the Judgment (to come)?
Do you know who really rejects the faith?
Araayta allathee yukaththibu bialddeeniAs you can see, the term "din" has been translated in various ways, the most common of them are religion, faith, judgement (day). I do not think that such translations do justice to it. Any comments?
With peace
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Peace be upon you Layla and all,
(14) Maliki - from root M-L-K which deals with control like the control of a king or the covered forces of the mental universe (malaika).
yawmi - deals with an unspecified amount of time
alddeeni - the system (the order of the God's Laws of cause and effect).
(14) Controller of the system time.
I take it to mean that until you bring order to the chaos by implementing the God's system based on cause and effect, you recieve the "wrath" of your ignorance, you get tossed around helplessly.
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Salam All,
I think that we ignore that the word "Din" is coming for the root d-y-n which also occurs in verse 282 of Sura 2, the longest verse in the Quran and its dealing with DEBTS and the root itself is connected to the meanings arround debts.
what do you think about this?
Best regards
sabo -
Peace be upon you Sabo and all,
I would like to hear others understanding of "deen" as well.
I do not like "debt" because it gives me the feel of the God "needing" something from me, and I no that the God needs nothing.
The occurences of the word seem to imply a system to me, so I go with system. I am looking for any better info that any of you have.
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Salam idolfree1,
if we would go in our analysis by what we like and what we don't like, then I'd tell you that I don't like the word "system" because it gives me the impression about me being a robot programmed.
Anyway that's not the point the point is that this word is used in 2282 in a context of debts. Would you explain what does this word mean to you in 2282? if we have a system we should write it down? would you read 2282 and tell me what you think?
edit Even if God needs nothing, it could be your debts to your environment, you get from your environment things, and you give your environment back. On "yawm aldeen" we would give back our debts to other, not to God, coz as u said, God needs nothing.
Best regards,
sabo -
Peace be upon you Sabo,
Correct, we are not here to discuss our likes and dislikes, I should have explained myself better.
http//www.openburhan.com/data/root_browser_main.htm
When I looked up the occurences, 2282 was not listed as an occurence of this root, it could be that the site is incorrect, I would ask that someone verify this for me.
Is there another verse that is already on this list that implies debt?
Regarding system, you might feel like a robot, but everyone has a system for what they do. The process of cooking food is a system, do you feel like a robot when you do that?
Anyway, please continue to discuss this with me, it is of great help.
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Salam idolfree1,
Well i wasn't debating if everything is a system or not
All what i wanted to say, that many things can appeal to individuals and that shouldn't be our measure when analysing the text of the Quran. I hope u understood what I meant by that.
Well the site of burhan is a great help but its not 100% a complete reference. I'd say burhan did a very great job and thanks God that his site exists to help many people but it contains many errors and many roots which are not completely gathered.
So if you can show me something from Quran that gives me a hint that deen is a system i'd appreciate that so much, but just stating that it appeals to you like that, might help you, but not me nor the others.
Best regards,
sabo -
Salam Wakas,
dayn - 2282, 411, 412 (this derivative of Dal-Ya-Nun is separated from din)
Any reason why is it like that?
yep obligation is similar to debt. and if the Quran didn't define deen in any place, so exactly these positions 2282, 411 and 412 are explaining what it means. If you have other reasons why to pronounce d-y-n one time deen and one time dayn, and separate them in the meaning then please state them, thanks
best regards,
sabo -
Peace everyone,
I used to understand "din" as system until just before reading the last part of the discussion going on.
But from what I have read, I would change my understanding.
Debt or obligation seems to fit better in context.
Humans generaly feel like owing something to some higher entity, and thus they want to pay back their debt. Remember that we come to this world concious about the god and submiting unwillingly (or willingly??) to his laws.
The least that we can count as a debt, is for the care we had received from our parents or whomever used to nurish us when we were babies, to bring us to this position to be able to discuss such things. And be sure that those people (parents, family...) are put in our way (or we are put in the way of eachothers) by the will of the god, nothing is coincidence.
When we want to pay back our debt, here we find the different so-called spokesman of this or that god, trying to take profit of the need to pay back our debt. Some ask for sacrifices, others for money, other for objetcs... wanting us to serve this or that god.
We have to live our lives and leave this world in complete submission to the god the creator, like the way we entered it. This is our debt.
The praise is to the god the lord of the kwoledgeables.
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Peace be upon you all,
dayn - 2282, 411, 412 (this derivative of Dal-Ya-Nun is separated from din)
perhaps this is partly why brother Ayman feels "obligation" describes din better?
So if the above is a derivative, then we are looking for a word that is similar to debt, but not debt. Is that right?
Obligation does sound better now. I will need to study more.
Are there any other verses that stand out to any of you regarding this word?
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peace all,
If you have other reasons why to pronounce d-y-n one time deen and one time dayn, and separate them in the meaning then please state them, thanks
I just wrote what the concordance said. I haven't checked the Arabic.
Both dayn and din are noun&masculine, but they are separated in the concordance (perhaps because it groups identical terms together, thus suggesting, din and dayn are not exactly identical). My Arabic grammar is not good, so I cant say what the specific difference is (if any).
There are many occurrences of Dal-Ya-Nun. I will try and go through them soon, GW, to identify any clarifying verses.
Wakas
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Peace be upon you Wakas,
Thank you for the help, I look foward to those clarifications.
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Peace y?all,
We have to consider the context to know if we should read 'D Y N' as 'Dayn' or 'Deen' because the quran explains itself.
In 2282, there is no doubt D Y N must be read ?Dayn? because of the verbe ?tadayana?
tadayantum (if you borrow) bidaynin (debt) (2 282).
Idem for 4 11, 4 12
min baAAdi wasiyyatin yooseebiha (All after a will is carried through ) aw daynin (debt)In 929, the context is not the same, D Y N must be read ?Deen?, "yadeenoon" is from the verb "daana', yadeenu".
"daana deenan to adhere to a deen, to practise"daana li, bi" could mean to owe something to somebody (for example the life), to be obliged to do something for somebody (for example thanks). In this context, this is a "dayn" towards somebody.
wala yadeenoona (and they do not uphold) deena alhaqqimina (the system of truth) (9 29)
In 373, D Y N must be read ?Deen?
liman tabiAAa (those who follow) deenakum (your deen)alyawmaakmaltu lakum deenakum (Today I have perfected your deen) waatmamtu AAalaykum niAAmatee (completed My blessings upon you) waradeetulakumu al-islama deenan (and I have accepted al-islama as deen for you) (53)
'duyoon' is the plural form of 'dayn'
'Adyaan' is the plural form of 'deen'
?alAAulamao? is the plural form of ?AAaalim? which means knowledgeable
?AAaleem? means knowledgeable tooAAulamao (learned men / scholars) (26197)
min AAibadihia (among God?s servants) alAAulamao (knowledgeable) (3528
alAAaleemu (the Knowledgeable) (26220)
AAaleemin (the Knowledgeable) (276)
?AAaalam? is the singular form of ?AAaalameen? which means the worlds
wahudan lilAAalameena (a guidance for the worlds) (396)
fa-innee oAAaththibuhu AAathaban (I will punish him a punishment) la oAAaththibuhu ahadanmina alAAalameena (like no one else from the worlds will be punished!?)(5 115)
Peace
Marie -
Peace be upon you Marie,
So you also agree with deen = system in some verses?
Isnt there a verse regading the King that Joseph worked for regarding his "deen"? Can someone help me with that verse number?
I am having trouble accepting "obligation".
