Immanence: All thought is God, VS Everything is God.
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I've had to make up my mind regarding certain teachings, on the subject of immanence.
All thought is God, certainly is a much more refined statement, than "everything is God". The latter tends to let the believer think that immorality is also God. While the first, lets the mind weigh the information, and reach a conclusion. It starts to become self-evident, that this is the truth.
Scriptural evidence
"He put some of himself, into you, and gave you hearing, perception and mind" - AKA consciousness.
"He is the first (word), last(word), the clear and the innermost" - my translation, of 573 - consciousness
In greek philosophy THE LOGOS (the word), is the animating principle of the universe - consciousness
The Bible "The word was God" - consciousness was (is) God.
The Bible John 663, Jesus says, "It is the Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life." Another statement that supports my interpretation of Logos/Ruh/Consciousness.
Hinduism "The word created everything" Consciousness created everything.And seeing that "all people have had their messengers" is this not overwhelming evidence, that the correct teaching on immanence, should be about consciousness, and not matter? And about matter, god simply says "Be, and it is."
Peace Be With You.
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I've had to make up my mind regarding certain teachings, on the subject of immanence.
All thought is God, certainly is a much more refined statement, than "everything is God". The latter tends to let the believer think that immorality is also God. While the first, lets the mind weigh the information, and reach a conclusion. It starts to become self-evident, that this is the truth.
Scriptural evidence
"He put some of himself, into you, and gave you hearing, perception and mind" - AKA consciousness.
"He is the first (word), last(word), the clear and the innermost" - my translation, of 573 - consciousness
In greek philosophy THE LOGOS (the word), is the animating principle of the universe - consciousness
The Bible "The word was God" - consciousness was (is) God.
The Bible John 663, Jesus says, "It is the Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life." Another statement that supports my interpretation of Logos/Ruh/Consciousness.
Hinduism "The word created everything" Consciousness created everything.And seeing that "all people have had their messengers" is this not overwhelming evidence, that the correct teaching on immanence, should be about consciousness, and not matter? And about matter, god simply says "Be, and it is."
Peace Be With You.
It is the happening, an eventuality. Something is before it also.
It can be put this way also, "all that exists is the thought-manifestation of will of Allah".
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The difference between consciousness and matter is close to being an issue of semantics, not a terribly meaningful distinction anymore. Of course most materialists would disagree but that's a function of dogmatic delusion more than anything else.
In other words, all is thought, all is consciousness.
The illusion of materiality is just that, an illusion, albeit an incredibly convincing and persistent one. Our sensation of matter is merely the result of firings of neurons. The sense of stuff-ness, of the wetness of water, of color, these are all interpretations by our minds of the thing-in-itself. Matter is merely the intersection of where our minds and the Mind meet.
With that said, there indeed does exist a thing-in-itself, a 'noumenon' as Kant called it. Something which we are interpreting. And the noumena, the things that we are interpreting, are thoughts of the One Mind. Ties in to what Mazhar said all that exists is the thought-manifestation of will of Allah.
And tying into your initial post, Paradox Uncreated, things like morality can be viewed in the same way as matter itself our interpretations of the noumena, of the thoughts of God. We can choose to interpret them in ways that align with the grand structure of the Mind -- i.e. act in moral alignment -- or, we can stray from the correct interpretation of the things-in-themselves. The latter is immoral action; it is denying that which is apparent. It is concealment and hiding. It is kufr.
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Interesting thoughts on kufr. While I do not believe that everything is consciousness. I believe that consciousness is behind everything, and moves everything, AKA Aristotles Prime Mover, but it isn't it. And also I believe that the religious wording, would be different, if this wasn't so. One would rather be talking about The Mind of God, where everything happens within, rather than a creator, and a creation.
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Matter is the result of separation. We are like segmented thoughts of Divinity. I think that is matter, a restriction, a hiding of the whole experienced by a small fraction of it. The task for that fraction-idea is to find its way to connection, reintegration with the whole. Hell is when one hast lost all hope of reconnection or reintegration to the whole, constraining bars without respite or issue, horrible...
Sorry, this is not philosopy I am putting forward, just my mental conception or approximation of it.
Salaam
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The difference between consciousness and matter is close to being an issue of semantics, not a terribly meaningful distinction anymore. Of course most materialists would disagree but that's a function of dogmatic delusion more than anything else.
Deep stuff! Thanks. peace
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However, it is not down to mantiq. A little pun there.
For instance, with traditional logic, like http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalam_cosmological_argument
We see a first cause that is eternal, and it has certain attributes, however it alone is identified as God.
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To make the first cause argument simple, it pretty much states that
If the first cause is nothing, no subsequent cause would exist, and nothing would exist.
If the first cause is eternal, subsequent causes may be created by it. And so it is, because something exists.Now, God (first cause) did not become something more, because logic deduces that the first cause is eternal, unchangable. So the later must be created from nothing, and not the same.
And there you have Abrahams God.