Could this be the valley of BAKKAH?
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The point of discussion was this
You can use the word even when you place something up high, like on your top shelf.--Anwar
This perception was declared incorrect by Mazhar
This is not the correct perception. Arabic Roots mirror all physical realities regarding the concept/perception infolded therein. will never reflect a thought of distancing away something upwardly. The perception infolded in the Root is to lay down, place a thing at a certain location of reach with the result that it becomes conspicous and evident. And where it is placed conspicuously that location/place becomes , scene, spot, location, position. With this background passive voice is also used in the meanings "to appoint"-see dictionary compiled by Abdul Manan Omar.
Anwar referred Lisan.
Mazhar stated
Lisaan was referred to by you. Its main and basic observation about the word is that it is contra of elevation. And also check Lane Vol-VIII you will find everywhere that it is contra of elevation.
Anwar responds
The words 'main and basic observation' is your opinion and interjection. It is ONE definition of the word(not the main and basic observation), and it does not cancel out the other meanings.
Here's some other pertinent quotations from lisanul-'arab that follow your three worder above
He reproduces the page available at http//www.baheth.info/all.jsp?term=
And he deleted the Head Entry which shows the basic meanings of the Root.
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.And in all entries, he will not find support for his opinion which was declared incorrect,
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Peace,
Mazhar,
I did not delete the first entry. I cited it from what you said and then added many of the other entries. You may not find some of the meanings in Lane's lexicon but I have not reviewed lane's entry for this. Anyway, like I said you can use wada3 even when you place something up high. If you put something on your head you use the word 'wada3'. When you put a roof on a house you use the word wada3. And you can both raise a roof and put a roof on a house. You don't see the ridiculousness of this concocted contradiction of yours?
Godbless,
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Peace,
Mazhar,
I did not delete the first entry. I cited it from what you said and then added many of the other entries. You may not find some of the meanings in Lane's lexicon but I have not reviewed lane's entry for this. Anyway, like I said you can use wada3 even when you place something up high. If you put something on your head you use the word 'wada3'. When you put a roof on a house you use the word wada3. And you can both raise a roof and put a roof on a house. You don't see the ridiculousness of this concocted contradiction of yours?
Godbless,
AnwarBut from which entry of Lisan, you have put the page, you are assuming the aforesaid perception?
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Peace,
Mazhar it is simple logic and plain usage. When you put something on your head you raise it above your head and then set it down on your head. I guess my issue is that you guys are oversimplying rfa3 (to raise) and wada3(to put down) into an excessive black and white issue. You are acting like the two cannot be apart of the same action in some way. Putting something on your head for the most part involves you raising it up first and then, yes, doing the opposite of the raising by putting it down (even if only by a centimeter) onto your head. The same process can go on with a house. You first begin building it by putting the first bricks of the foundation DOWN onto the earth. Then you put more bricks down onto each other, effectively raising (rafa3) the level of the house by laying the bricks down (wada3) onto each other. SIGH!!! This is so simple and so kindergarten logic. I feel like I am talking to kindergarteners by having to explain this. But it seems that folks don't really think about these simple things and hence make assanine assumptions about them. Oh Humanity! We are indeed lost if these people are our leaders. God, give them guidance! Help them develop their powers of reason and thought! And keep them from assuming, and then making judgements, about things that they do not understand! By the way, this is very frustrating. I think I may have to stop participating in the conversation soon. For those who would take that as a victory, so be it. You can have your insane victory, and I'll just keep my sanity.
Godbless,
Anwar -
The same process can go on with a house. You first begin building it by putting the first bricks of the foundation DOWN onto the earth. Then you put more bricks down onto each other, effectively raising (rafa3) the level of the house by laying the bricks down (wada3) onto each other. SIGH!!! This is so simple and so kindergarten logic.
It is not logic, but kindergarten simplicity and play.
The continuous process of raising a building by placing bricks over and over does not mean that could signify raising-elevating. It is but childish thought.
And yes kindergarten do not understand that and both reflect relative locative relationship between two things.
