Ar'Reh'maan is the Personal Name of Allah, and NOT attributive name/description
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Salaaman LB13,
Salam brother khan
Say Cry unto Allah, or cry unto AlRahman, unto whichsoever ye cry . His are the most beautiful names. And thou , be not loud-voiced in thy worship nor yet silent therein, but follow a way between 17110
notice, allah mentioned two names, Allah and Alrahmane, than he said the most beautiful names . I believe only two names are in the quran, Allah and AlRahman . pluriel can be two in the arabic language of the qquran, there are many cases , exemple
If ye twain turn unto Allah repentant, (ye have cause to do so) for your hearts desired 664
, qulub is pluriel even though he's talking about two persones, two heartsYou missed "Kuma" after "Quloob" brother. "Kuma" is referring to TWO. Same as in 37114-119
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3711937114 And indeed, We have given Our grace to Moses and Aaron.
37115 And We saved them and their people from the great disaster.
37116 And We supported them, so that they became the winners.
37117 And We gave both the clear Book.
37118 And We guided them to the straight path.
37119 And We kept their history for those who came later.It talks about only two but the problem is in English "Them" and "Their".
This rule been made by arabs academics after the quran came to existance, so this rule doesn't apply to the quran, because the Quran uses duality and pluriel different way in some cases , but other cases duality and pluriel are used the same way
so Asmaa Allah Alhousna are Allah and AlRahmane , no more. all others are attributes, I didn't see any verse using any attribute and calling it a name of allah, there is only thse two names as you see in the verse above 171105924
5924 He is Allah; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. To Him belong the most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the earth. He is the Noble, the Wise.
I believe that names should not be translated, the above aayat should be like "He is Allah; AlKaaliq, AlBaariu, AlMusawwairu, etc...
May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
?Historians like Vaqqidi have said Allah was actually the chief of the 360 gods being worshipped in Arabia at the time Mohammed rose to prominence. Ibn Al-Kalbi gave 27 names of pre-Islamic deities...Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Mohammed came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this.? (G. J. O. Moshay, Who Is This Allah? (Dorchester House, Bucks, UK, 1994), pg. 13.
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Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Mohammed came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact.
What a stupid assertion!!
Qur'aan quotes it that they adopt other miscellaneous gods by imaginative names besides Allah, i.e. in addition to Him.
And when confronted they, the idol worshippers, name only Allah with reference to questions relating to creation etc.
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I'm confused by the concept of "Personal Name"..
-What is "Personal Name"?
-And who gives The God His "Personal Name"?
-Can The God haves multiple (more than one) "Personal Names"?The problem is the concept of the name Rahman, it is the only name special to allah and it is not used as an attribute
even Allah, it is used for shirk, Alihatakoum
but Rahman never beign used by any polytheist
it is a name that Mohamed Preached, and zoroastrians veiled it with hadiths inserting it with the attributesRahman means simply INFINITE MERCY
they kept mistranslating it because they think it'a an attribute, a thing Allah does, but they didn't think it's a desciption og the merciful, it means Ifinite mercy
Rahma ascending, Rahman -
Salaaman LB13,
You missed "Kuma" after "Quloob" brother. "Kuma" is referring to TWO. Same as in 37114-119
37114
37115
37116
37117
37118
3711937114 And indeed, We have given Our grace to Moses and Aaron.
37115 And We saved them and their people from the great disaster.
37116 And We supported them, so that they became the winners.
37117 And We gave both the clear Book.
37118 And We guided them to the straight path.
37119 And We kept their history for those who came later.It talks about only two but the problem is in English "Them" and "Their".
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5924 He is Allah; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. To Him belong the most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the earth. He is the Noble, the Wise.
I believe that names should not be translated, the above aayat should be like "He is Allah; AlKaaliq, AlBaariu, AlMusawwairu, etc...
May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
Mohammed M. KhanI know about the grammar that it doesn't apply on the quran, there is conditions where two's are used in pluriel
exemple5924
These are the attributes of Allah, now is Allah one of Asmaa Houssna or not ? in the sunnah and hadith it is not, Why Allah say
and mention Allah's name upon it, and observe your duty to Allah. 54
why does he say mention the name of Allah ? and he doesn't say , mention allah ? sounds to me tere is a specific nzme of Allah
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Just to add my 2 cents
Allah/The God whatever you call Him created all languages. I don't see the fascination of using arabic names/attributes when speaking about God especially if your native language isn't arabic.
The God tells us He has sent the message in different languages....it wouldn't make sense for God to favour ONE language over another. Language is a tool to deliver the message to us....He is above and beyond names peace
PEACE
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Sorry dear, both are sound plural.
Here also, it goes from dual to pluriel
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If ye two turn in repentance to Him, your hearts are indeed so inclined; but if ye back up each other against him, truly Allah is his Protector, and Gabriel, and (every) righteous one among those who believe and furthermore, the angels will back (him) up. It may be, if he divorced you (all) that Allah will give him in exchange Consorts better than you who submit (their wills) who believe who are devout who turn to Allah in repentance who worship (in humility) who travel (for faith) and fast previously married or virgins 334-5
I believe there is a rule in the duality and pluriel in the quran that wasn't adopted in the arabic language, notice, something belong to them is told in a dual, and something done to them is told in a pluriel.. for arabic both are duality, no matter how they use it, the quran grammar is wider than the arabic grammar.
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Prince
just to add my 2 cents Wink
Allah/The God whatever you call Him created all languages. I don't see the fascination of using arabic names/attributes when speaking about God especially if your native language isn't arabic.
The God tells us He has sent the message in different languages....it wouldn't make sense for God to favour ONE language over another. Language is a tool to deliver the message to us....He is above and beyond names peace
PEACEAllah sent messages in different languages, but the this the LAST one was in Arabic therefore Allah preferred it over other languages.
while this language is Arabic, rich, clear, perspicuous, eloquent, distinct, void of indistinctness, capable of transporting the perception from one mind to a listener and reader in a manner that it generates in the recipient mind exactly the same neurological process of observation and interpretation and creates a true copy of that perception.
Indeed We have sent that Book as Written Book/Qur'aan in Arabic language/clear, perspicuous, eloquent, distinct, free from admixture, void of indistinctness, apparent like the daybreak and divested of the froth
so that you people may be able to save it in memory/reflect and differentiate ......Indeed We have made that Book as the Written Book/Qur'aan in Arabic language, so that you people may be able to save it in memory/reflect and differentiate [4303
It is not that I am saying Quran should not be read or understood in any other language, but it is just to make the record straight.About 80% of the Muslims in this world cannot read, understand or speak Arabic.
Had We sent down this Quran in a non-Arabic language, they would have said, "Why have its verses not been well expounded?" Could a non-Arabic Book be revealed to an Arabic speaking person?, say, "It is a guide and a cure for the believers. As for those who do not believe, they are deaf and blind. It is as though they had been called from a distant place".
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then pray this often
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Thank you for the beautiful aayat. But what means "THEN" in your post, I did not understand and what is the relation it has with my previous post?
May Allah increase us all in TRUE knowledge pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
Salaaman LB13,
I know about the grammar that it doesn't apply on the quran, there is conditions where two's are used in pluriel
exempleAnd still you gave the wrong references? They both above are dual bro. )
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These are the attributes of Allah,
Attributes ??? Again ??? These are names brother, where are you? Just cool down and then read it. Look at me
now is Allah one of Asmaa Houssna or not ? in the sunnah and hadith it is not, Why Allah say
and mention Allah's name upon it, and observe your duty to Allah. 54
why does he say mention the name of Allah ? and he doesn't say , mention allah ? sounds to me tere is a specific nzme of Allah
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Who told you that Allah is not the name? Is everything OK with you? hmm
May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
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now is Allah one of Asmaa Houssna or not ? in the sunnah and hadith it is not, Why Allah sayand mention Allah's name upon it, and observe your duty to Allah. 54
why does he say mention the name of Allah ? and he doesn't say , mention allah ? sounds to me tere is a specific nzme of Allah
Who told you that Allah is not the name? Is everything OK with you?
He is perhaps saying the same thing. The Name of Allah- and is that you mention, pronounce the Name of Allah.
In contrast
"And you people remember Allah".
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Ar'Reh'maan Personal Name of Allah
b) A slave/servant is referred/introduced/mentioned by the Personal Name of his Master and not by some attribute of Master
In the days of gradual revelation of Grand Qur'aan the rational people paid more attention to the substance and avoided indulging in discourses and discussions about grammar and morphology etc. And moreover such things are of interest and necessity for a non-native/non Arab. And the claim in the Grand Qur'aan is that it has been made easy for comprehension and understanding of humanity irrespective of language barrier. It is thus evident that even without knowing the depth and niceties of language, grammar and morphology etc one can grasp the substance and essence of the message merely by acquaintance of Arabic. Therefore, without delving deep into the debate spread over thousands of pages, we plainly keep asking the Grand Qur'aan to make us understand whether http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00003.%20Ar%20Rehman/2.gif is the Personal Name of our Sustainer Lord or is His Attributive Name reflecting His infinite mercifulness.
It is our common perception and approach that when we introduce or mention a slave/servant or subject we do not say, "he-so and so is slave or subject of "merciful ", "powerful " etc. On the contrary we refer the Personal Name of his master/Lord. Similarly the relationship between the Person and the thing is that of Creator and the created. Creator is the Lord ............
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Ar'Reh'maan Personal Name of Allah-Part 2
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Ar'Reh'maan Personal Name of Allah
b) A slave/servant is referred/introduced/mentioned by the Personal Name of his Master and not by some attribute of Master
In the days of gradual revelation of Grand Qur'aan the rational people paid more attention to the substance and avoided indulging in discourses and discussions about grammar and morphology etc. And moreover such things are of interest and necessity for a non-native/non Arab. And the claim in the Grand Qur'aan is that it has been made easy for comprehension and understanding of humanity irrespective of language barrier. It is thus evident that even without knowing the depth and niceties of language, grammar and morphology etc one can grasp the substance and essence of the message merely by acquaintance of Arabic. Therefore, without delving deep into the debate spread over thousands of pages, we plainly keep asking the Grand Qur'aan to make us understand whether http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00003.%20Ar%20Rehman/2.gif is the Personal Name of our Sustainer Lord or is His Attributive Name reflecting His infinite mercifulness.
It is our common perception and approach that when we introduce or mention a slave/servant or subject we do not say, "he-so and so is slave or subject of "merciful ", "powerful " etc. On the contrary we refer the Personal Name of his master/Lord. Similarly the relationship between the Person and the thing is that of Creator and the created. Creator is the Lord ............
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Ar'Reh'maan Personal Name of Allah-Part 2
Sorry for distorting the subject of your topic
thank you for the Link
I never noticed that servants are associated only to the names Allah or Arrahman and no other name or attribute -
Prince
Allah sent messages in different languages, but the this the LAST one was in Arabic therefore Allah preferred it over other languages.Salaam Raaajah.
Going by your logic - the arabic language is preferred by Allah because his LAST message is in arabic. What about the FIRST messages language.....surely the language chosen by Allah back then wasn't a mistake by Him for which He then chose arabic as his last preferred language. Your not giving Allah due credit....he is faultless which I'm sure you believe but just pointing out mistakes in your thinking.
So did Allah or Al Rahman use the exact name throughout history in different languages?? Very unlikely in my opinion unless there's evidence to the contrary.
PEACE
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Going by your logic - the arabic language is preferred by Allah because his LAST message is in arabic. What about the FIRST messages language
May I attempt to attend it.
All Messengers, respects and salutations are upon them, but Mohammad , were sent to a particular group of people/nation in the language they people spoke. Since the Last Messenger Mohammad is for the entire humanity, speaking hundreds of different languages, and his language has been selected for universal communication, the obvious conclusion is that of preference and superiority over regional languages.