Ar'Reh'maan is the Personal Name of Allah, and NOT attributive name/description
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Salaam all,
Many translators , translate khalaqa to Fashioned
they say Create is Badii'a or FatirThe Originator of the heavens and the earth! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only Be! and it is 2117
Say Shall I choose for a protecting friend other than Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, Who feedeth and is never fed? Say I am ordered to be the first to surrender (unto Him). And be not thou (O Muhammad) of the idolaters. (14) Say I fear, if I rebel against my Lord, the retribution of an Awful Day 615
= Badii'a
= FatirNotice and , looks different words in arabic but translate to the same word, I odon't know if the translation is 100% correct, but because they give to Khaliq = creator, so they gave to these words that sounds like create from neothing = Badii or Fatir
They trnslated a proper name, Rahman, how to trust them that they know what they doing when translating ? influence of zoroastrians covered everythjing
Allah knows best.
I believe
Badi = Start
Fatir = Construction
Khalaq = BirthPlease correct me if you find me wrong.
May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
I believe
Badi = Start
Fatir = Construction
Khalaq = BirthPlease correct me if you find me wrong.
This is correct only when the word "birth" is used with the perception of origin, beginning or formation of something.
The process of "creation" has a beginning and actualization, i.e. surfacing of the thing in tangible form.
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The servants of Ar Rahman
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The servants of the AlRahman are they who walk upon the earth modestly, and when the foolish ones address them answer Peace; (63) And who spend the night before their Lord, prostrate and standing, (64) And who say Our Lord! Avert from us the doom of hell; lo! the doom thereof is anguish; (65) Lo! it is wretched as abode and station; (66) And those who, when they spend, are neither prodigal nor grudging; and there is ever a firm station between the two; (67) And those who cry not unto any other god along with Allah, nor take the life which Allah hath forbidden save in (course of) justice, nor commit adultery - and whoso doeth this shall pay the penalty; (6 The doom will be doubled for him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein disdained for ever; (69) Save him who repenteth and believeth and doth righteous work; as for such, Allah will change their evil deeds to good deeds. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful. (70) And whosoever repenteth and doeth good, he verily repenteth toward Allah with true repentance - (71) And those who will not witness vanity, but when they pass near senseless play, pass by with dignity. (72) And those who, when they are reminded of the revelations of their Lord, fall not deaf and blind thereat. (73) And who say Our Lord! Vouchsafe us comfort of our wives and of our offspring, and make us patterns for (all) those who ward off (evil). (74) They will be awarded the high place forasmuch as they were steadfast, and they will meet therein with welcome and the ward of peace, (75) Abiding there for ever. Happy is it as abode and station! (76) Say (O Muhammad, unto the disbelievers) My Lord would not concern Himself with you but for your prayer. But now ye have denied (the Truth), therefor there will be judgment. (77) sourah25
When read all this, AlRahman is the personel name and the major attribute
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Peace be upon you
If "Al Rahman" is the personal name of Allah , then why did every prophet and messenger mentioned in AQ addressed Allah in their prayers as either Our Lord or My Lord ? Could that be that all those chosen messengers were ignorant of this new revelation ? From my reading of AQ , every prophet/messenger addressed/called Allah with the words Rabbana or Rabbi which I understand to mean "our lord" and "my lord" respectively .
Peace
almarh0m
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Peace be upon you
If "Al Rahman" is the personal name of Allah , then why did every prophet and messenger mentioned in AQ addressed Allah in their prayers as either Our Lord or My Lord ? Could that be that all those chosen messengers were ignorant of this new revelation ? From my reading of AQ , every prophet/messenger addressed/called Allah with the words Rabbana or Rabbi which I understand to mean "our lord" and "my lord" respectively .
Peace
almarh0m
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Assigning for God such personal names is not a good thing. Only creatures can be assigned by personal names, because of there are many many of them. We need for personal names due to pointing an exact creature rather than other one. But Creator is not like that. If you confirm that if there is no god besides The God, assigning such names makes no sense at all. This is very basic logical rule.
Human races were call Him similar names like "The God", "The Creator" "My Lord", "Almighty", etc. with corresponding ones in their languages and cultures. Existence of God is independent from all phonetics, languages and cultures.
Peace.
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Peace be upon you
If "Al Rahman" is the personal name of Allah , then why did every prophet and messenger mentioned in AQ addressed Allah in their prayers as either Our Lord or My Lord ? Could that be that all those chosen messengers were ignorant of this new revelation ? From my reading of AQ , every prophet/messenger addressed/called Allah with the words Rabbana or Rabbi which I understand to mean "our lord" and "my lord" respectively .
Peace
almarh0m
Abraham
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And make mentionin the Scripture of Abraham. Lo! he was a saint, a prophet. When he said unto his father O my father! Why worshippest thou that which heareth not nor seeth, nor can in aught avail thee? O my father! Lo! there hath come unto me of knowledge that which came not unto thee. So follow me, and I will lead thee on a right path. O my father! Serve not the devil. Lo! the devil is a rebel unto AlRahman . 4144People of the tribe
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Coin for them a similitude The people of the city when those sent came unto them; When We sent unto them twain, and they denied them both, so We reinforced them with a third, and they said Lo! we have been sent unto you. They said Ye are but mortals like unto us. AlRahman hath naught revealed. Ye do but lie! 3613-15Miriam
She said Lo! I seek refuge in AlRahman One from thee, if thou art God-fearing 1718
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Assigning for God such personal names is not a good thing. Only creatures can be assigned by personal names, because of there are many many of them. We need for personal names due to pointing an exact creature rather than other one. But Creator is not like that. If you confirm that if there is no god besides The God, assigning such names makes no sense at all. This is very basic logical rule.
Human races were call Him similar names like "The God", "The Creator" "My Lord", "Almighty", etc. with corresponding ones in their languages and cultures. Existence of God is independent from all phonetics, languages and cultures.
Peace.
Rahman isn't a name like john or something, it is the most beautifull name, IT mesans "INFINITE MERCY"
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Rahman isn't a name like john or something, it is the most beautifull name, IT mesans "INFINITE MERCY"
Does it matter at all after considering it is a "personal name"? If it means "INFINITE MERCY" as you described, thus we can deal with its meaning aspect, then it should be used for attribute name, rather than a personal name. Personal names should be phonetically similar in all languages, which means, you can't call "Ar-Rahman" as "Infinite Mercy" due to dissimilar phonetic impressions.
If someone's personal name is Frank, you can't call him as "Outspoken" by meaning in another language. You should preserve phonetics if we dealing with personal names.
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Does it matter at all after considering it is a "personal name"? If it means "INFINITE MERCY" as you described, thus we can deal with its meaning aspect, then it should be used for attribute name, rather than a personal name. Personal names should be phonetically similar in all languages, which means, you can't call "Ar-Rahman" as "Infinite Mercy" due to dissimilar phonetic impressions.
If someone's personal name is Frank, you can't call him as "Outspoken" by meaning in another language. You should preserve phonetics if we dealing with personal names.
Same thing as Rahman, if you read all verses posted earlier in page 1 , than you can see that God use this name as a personel name. if u feel personel can't be trabslated than don't translate it. but one thing is sure, Allah used it as a personel name , same way as he used the word Allah, and Rabb, but more of a personnel name , like a relationship between him and people.
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Same thing as Rahman, if you read all verses posted earlier in page 1 , than you can see that God use this name as a personel name. if u feel personel can't be trabslated than don't translate it. but one thing is sure, Allah used it as a personel name , same way as he used the word Allah, and Rabb, but more of a personnel name , like a relationship between him and people.
You mean, If Quran was sent down with another language other than Arabic, God will describe/name Himself as "Rahman", "Allah", "Rabb" again? If so, can you tell me what does it make Arabic so special when comparing with other languages? hmm
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You mean, If Quran was sent down with another language other than Arabic, God will describe/name Himself as "Rahman", "Allah", "Rabb" again? If so, can you tell me what does it make Arabic so special when comparing with other languages? hmm
First of All, all the arabs that you see in the world now are not arabs, arab isn't a race but a language, it is the language of Bani Israel , the jews we know now aren't Bani Israel , they are jews of religion,, and their language isn't hebrew but the language of the country they were born in, and the hebrew that we know isn't the hebrew language of Moussa and Isa and the prophets, but it was reconstructed in the last thousand years, it contains arabix, greek, ancient hebrew and aramaic.
Arabic language, is a mean of communication just like any other language, so if your name is any language, it's not supposed to be changed in any language, the mistake they made the people of old that made us don't know who is who in history.
AlRahman is an ancient name, the name of God , the egyptians called him with the same name since abraham time, AmonRa , this name get to us because archeologists read it from left to right, but egyptian language reads from right to left, and it sall be RaAmon , wich pronounce in arabic like Rahman .
Egyptian history of the prophets been kidnapped but pagans, first by zoroastrians 500BC , than freemasons archeologists give us the names and history they want to give us. can u be an archeologist and have access to Egypt ? NEVER . because the secrets of history have to stay burried, if they divulge it, it will be a big problem, we will know who was moses, and who was Abraham, and who was Joseph, and who was Jacob, and who was the tribes , sons of jacob, and who was Jesus and who was Mohamednotice, all these names have something to do with EGYPT , it is no coincidence
Rahman is the proper name of god, read all the verses posted and you will feel and see it is a personel name
Allah is the title , the divine , u can translate it , but Arahman, go see all translations, everyopne gives a different meaning, everyone. because it is not clear , because it is not an clear attribute. because it's a name, this is what i understod, and this is what I believe from what I read, the one who posted this thread was right. there is no secret name of god, because it's always in front of us. you talk about the name in ancient languages, go see all revelations, not the translations of those who distorted the books, in aramaic, or hebrew or arabic, it's always the same word -
You still can't get the point that I'm expecting for let you clear my statement.
If "Rahman" was a proper name as you stated above, why did you feel necessary for state that its meaning was "INFINITE MERCY" in early post? If it was God's proper name, it should be independent from languages and linguistics etc.. but it is not independent from Arabic, because it is Arabic word and it has 3 letter root which are R,H,M. We can derive proper related meaning words using this root with straight Arabic Grammar. "Rahman" is one of them and its meaning is "Merciful", but not "table" or "pencil". This must be just coincidence if "Rahman" has a meaning and this meaning is related with its root... if not, then you should realize that there is a close relationship between Arabic and you-so-claiming God's proper name.. This is exactly what I asked for previous post.
Peace.
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"If "Al Rahman" is the personal name of Allah , then why did every prophet and messenger mentioned in AQ addressed Allah in their prayers as either Our Lord or My Lord ? Could that be that all those chosen messengers were ignorant of this new revelation ? From my reading of AQ , every prophet/messenger addressed/called Allah with the words Rabbana or Rabbi which I understand to mean "our lord" and "my lord" respectively" .Peace loxbox/Mazhar
Could you please answer my questions in the above quote , preferably with an example from AQ showing even just 1 (one) messenger praying or calling Allah starting with The alleged personal name such as ' Oh Al Rahman please forgive our sins and those of our parents ' ? If those messengers knew Allah's personal name "Al Raman" why did they not use this so called personal name in calling to Him ?
In your immediate previous post you said " arab isn't a race but a language " , based on this , could you translate 997 for me please ?Would it not be better to call Allah with his personal name in our prayers ? And yet we could not find within AQ even one of the mentioned messengers using this alleged personal name .
Thank you for your reply
Peace
almarh0m
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"If "Al Rahman" is the personal name of Allah , then why did every prophet and messenger mentioned in AQ addressed Allah in their prayers as either Our Lord or My Lord ? Could that be that all those chosen messengers were ignorant of this new revelation ? From my reading of AQ , every prophet/messenger addressed/called Allah with the words Rabbana or Rabbi which I understand to mean "our lord" and "my lord" respectively" .Peace loxbox/Mazhar
Could you please answer my questions in the above quote , preferably with an example from AQ showing even just 1 (one) messenger praying or calling Allah starting with The alleged personal name such as ' Oh Al Rahman please forgive our sins and those of our parents ' ? If those messengers knew Allah's personal name "Al Raman" why did they not use this so called personal name in calling to Him ?
In your immediate previous post you said " arab isn't a race but a language " , based on this , could you translate 997 for me please ?Would it not be better to call Allah with his personal name in our prayers ? And yet we could not find within AQ even one of the mentioned messengers using this alleged personal name .
Thank you for your reply
Peace
almarh0m
U can use Allah and ignore AlRahman, as you wish, Allah gave autorisation to call unto him by two names, anyone u wish, but to say AlRahman is an alleged name, i think u should read the verse again
Say Cry unto Allah, or cry unto AlRahman, unto whichsoever ye cry . His are the most beautiful names. 17110
About Al AARAB , it doean mean Arabs , most people translate it Bedouins, the only arab we know from the Quran , is the Quran itself, and it's a language according to the Quran.
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In your immediate previous post you said " arab isn't a race but a language " , based on this , could you translate 997 for me please ?
He may like to respond, in the meanwhile I try to translate 997
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The Foreign Settlers in Arabia are more hardened in the matter of disbelief and deceptive duplicity of false claim of belief and are more disposed that they might not know the circumference/volume of that which Allah has since communicated to His Messenger.
The earliest Muna'fi'qeen were from amongst Jews. And they were the settlers in Arabia, not the sons of land.
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The Foreign Settlers in Arabia are more hardened in the matter of disbelief and deceptive duplicity of false claim of belief and are more disposed that they might not know the circumference/volume of that which Allah has since communicated to His Messenger.
The earliest Muna'fi'qeen were from amongst Jews. And they were the settlers in Arabia, not the sons of land.
Above contradicts Qur'an -- the language of the Arabs is Arabic.
997 The Arabs/al-arbu stronger (in) disbelief and hypocrisy
4144 ... a foreign (language) and an Arab/waarabiyyun?
16103 ... tongue the one they refer to him foreign while this language Arabic/arabiyyun
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Above contradicts Qur'an -- the language of the Arabs is Arabic.
997 The Arabs/al-arbu stronger (in) disbelief and hypocrisy
4144 ... a foreign (language) and an Arab/waarabiyyun?
16103 ... tongue the one they refer to him foreign while this language Arabic/arabiyyun
What was the language of the children of Israel, most of the quran was addressed to them !! were they the arabs ? was prophet mohamed from the children of Israel ?
And We have not sent any messenger except in the language of his people, so he may clarify for them. But God misguides whom He wills, and He guides whom He wills. And He is the Noble, the Wise. 144
And before it was the Book of Moses, a beacon and a mercy. And this is an authenticating Book, in an Arabic tongue, so that you may warn those who have transgressed, and to give good news to the righteous. 4612
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What was the language of the children of Israel, most of the quran was addressed to them !! were they the arabs ? was prophet mohamed from the children of Israel ?
Excuse me, did you quote the right poster, or are we having a communication issue in English?
He translated al-arbu as "The Foreign Settlers in Arabia" saying they were Jewish.