I now submit myself to the Sunnah and the authority of hadith
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HO...LY...CRAP. Read the 4 pages. Some heat up in this joint! O0
But the points...oh the points...I just love them. To Jafar, same. I am an atheist as well...in...false beliefs, so I quite love it myself when a rabbinical priest (read imam) calls me a kaffir (has not happened...but I would nod at his dumbass) as it could only be a compliment when one tells you that you don't believe that which is man-made, thus sexist, and especially ignorant considering the time in which it was written.
Oh and the bandwagon argument gets me every time. You want to bring majority into this?
There are more "true" (read blind-following, hence false) Christians on Earth then there are muslims. Let's face it. Muslims now are probably more in "number" because they multiply rapidly in third-world countries, while most of these innocent kids end up getting forced into Islam (the females should be pitied the most for obvious reasons). No one gets to choose their beliefs there.
I doubt Christianity is anywhere close to this. For the most part, you have to make a decision to accept God and whatever (believe this is what "baptism" is about) and we all know if anything, Islam is the religion most eager (read arrogant) to come out on top over the other two "monotheistic" religions, and will use one among their infinite retarded fallacies in cases such as which religion has more practicers.
Since now FJ that it seems you don't quite mean what you do in your title, I would think you'd want a moderator to change it to "I think we may learn something from hadith/sunna now", or something. ;D
LOL yes this topic title should change thanks for those arguments to keep me thinking logically. The more I think about it the more I can't imagine how following only the Qur'an can in any way be wrong. To say so is in fact insulting and demeaning the blessings and bounties the Qur'an has.
I'll just have to stand up to the Sunnis who call me a kaffir or look at me as a half-Muslim from now on.
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about standing up, i tell people who say that I am a kaffir or follower of satan or committing shirk....
I follow what prophet Muhammad said and not what abu huraira, ayesha, etc said. If that makes me a kaffir, then all I have to say is to you your way, to me my way. I don't worship what you worship and you don't worship what I worship.
My worship and my obedience is to God and at the end, I will return to God and have to answer to Him. I believe the Koran is the word of God who has made it clear of punishment for imputing lies about Him. When God says the Koran is complete, His words are sufficient to me.
You know, majority of the 'sunni' just believe without questioning. When I first opened up a book of hadith, I was expecting a book of instructions on how to do wudu, salat and you can imagine my surprise. If you are going to stand up to the sunni, stick with the subject (not jumping all over the place) and have them answer to what they claim. Since the Koran left out details on how to do salat, wudu, etc....ask them for the hadiths that do.
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While I agree many atheists are those who have been exposed to erroneous and bizarre concepts of a deity (like Christian trinity) and thus they spurn God, that doesn't mean they have faith because many of them after deciding the Christian God is not true decide that the idea of the Islamic God or ANY KIND of God is equally ridiculous without doing the proper research or being exposed to only public opinion, hearsay, or propaganda.
Agree.. and a correction; there are no such thing as "Islamic God".. God doesn't islam, everything are islam-ing to Him/It.
What's wrong with an atheist is they demand proof for something that cannot be proven using earthly evidence and they are firm in their disbelief. Which is different than an agnostic who acknowledges that God may or may not exist. The way I perceive it, it is not that they don't seek God, but they believe themselves self-sufficient and WON"T seek God.
The 'demand proof for anything' is actually the 'things' which I like on 'the atheists' which is quite the opposite of those 'blind faith lambs'. Again I understand 'their view' due to the past historical / experience reasons (exposed to bizarre concepts of deity). As such in their minds the word "GOD" are mapped to those bizarre deity.
However upon asked whether they think that there's something which is
"eternal, unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the foundation of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond in this Universe"
And you shall get quite a lot of interesting answers from them.. which closely resembled to "YES"..Those 'definition' are actually the description of "BRAHMAN" (Sanskrit Grow/Grower), the "Supreme Thing" found within Hinduism culture.
Again, translation of languages are worsening the 'confusion' of the "God" word understanding..
The word "DEVA" in Sanskrit are being translated to God which is incorrect... just like the word "Son of God" are being grossly mis-interpreted by those who are not familiar with Judaeic culture.. but perhaps more on this later.. if you're interested.
Those mis-understanding creates more confusion which resulted in "Atheistic" people..When I have spoken to certain atheists about my personal experiences and how I came to believe in God and subsequently in Islam I have been met with sarcasm and haughty laughs because they are so firm in their disbelief and their arrogance that they could not even open themselves up to entertain the idea of a Supreme God or the idea that any organized religion is true.
See the explanation above, sometime the understanding of the word "God" by itself create a misconception..
And I do share the opinion with them in this matter that "no organized religion are actually true"..
Even a lot of people on this forum who claimed to be "Quran alone" / "God alone" doesn't open themselves up to entertain the idea from 'another view point', which is understandable as it is actually one of the basic traits of homo sapiens..I would hardly call that faith.
They don't believe in strange-deity yes..
But it's hard to say that any human doesn't have "faith", as "hope" are actually "faith" as well..And yes that is an excellent point about Jesus, Abraham etc. that I've always agreed about. Islam began when the human race began. Since Adam was created Islam has also existed. Islam cannot be confined to just one book, or certain sayings, or one group in one region, or one time period.
Correction.. Islam(tm) - the trademark which was being claimed by the sunnis, begin around 1300 years ago... however islam doesn't have any beginning.
islam is an attitude / a character not an entity.. as thus the concept of "lifespan" (begin and ends) cannot be applied to it..
Does 'honesty' had any beginnings?Islam is the universal religion of man and it is not only that but also a natural law that all living beings and every atom of the universe submit to Allah (one way or another).
Again, islam is not a religion or cult or sect, islam is an attitude / character.
And islam is definitely not a 'natural law'... but yes everything are islam-ing to THE SUPREME THING whatever they realized it or not.. willingly or unwillingly. Those who are islam-ing willingly are called muslim..Agreed. I've always had an interest in mythology and religion no matter where it comes from not just Islam. Probably why I received an A in my History of World Religion class last semester
Congratulations on your excellent grade, but again islam is not a religion.
And I have described the definition of "GROWER" on my response above, which perhaps shall add more to your interest...Salam / Peace
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Salam everyone and Faithful-Jinn!
This is a matter of Authorization from Allah. I hope we know what the terminology "Authorization from Allah" means.
Read and see what does Allah mean by "Authorization from Allah"-----"They are not but (mere) names which you have named, you and your forefathers, Allah has sent down no Authority for that. They follow not except a guess and that which (they) themselves desire. Although, surely there has come to them Guidance from their Lord." (Al-Najam-23)
Allah authorized a human being as His Last Prophet. So, we have Faith in it that Muhammad (SAW) is the last Prophet of Allah.
Allah certified the companions of the last Prophet as rightly guided and blessed. So, we have Faith in it.
First of all, we have Iman in Allah, that is why we have Iman in everything that Allah Authorized.
For example, Allah issued an Authorized Order for the Angels to bow before Adam. Because the angels had Faith in Allah, that is why they immediately bowed before Adam. But Iblees refused to accept the Authorized Order of Allah and didn't bow, and was cursed forever.-----So the thing that matters, is what Allah authorized. Bowing is only to Allah, but the angels bowed before Adam because Allah authorized this act.
So, Authorization from Allah. Where is the Authorization from Allah for anything that we claim. And if there is no Authorization from Allah, then it is a guesswork.
Allah didn't Authorize Umar bin Khattaab as His Prophet. So, the ummah will never accept Umar bin Khattaab as a Prophet.-----Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim, etc. were not Authorized and Certified by Allah to compile books of the Messenger's sayings.-----Then how can their books of ahadith for which Allah never Revealed any Authorization, be Authorized, Trustworthy and a Source of Deen?
-----"They are not but (mere) names which you have named, you and your forefathers, Allah has sent down no Authority for that. They follow not except a guess and that which (they) themselves desire. Although, surely there has come to them Guidance from their Lord." (Al-Najam-23)
Did Allah Authorize in His Exalted Quran, the words "Sihah Sittah", "Sahih Al-Bukhari", "Sahih Al-Muslim", "Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jamah", "Salafee", etc, etc???-----No, not at all.---Then who authorized Imam Bukhari to do which the Messenger himself never did, and which his rightly guided Companions never dared to do.
Yes, although there has come to us The Guidance (Authorized Al-Quran only) from our Lord, but still, we don't verify from The Quran what our millions of big-ones (Imams) of the ummah issue as Deen.If someone clearly refuses to accept Imam Bukhari and his book as "Authorized Source of Deen", what would you say?---On what ground would you issue a fatawah against him?---What Authority from Allah do you have to call him a "kafir" or "out of Islam"?---"They follow not except a guess and that which (they) themselves desire"---If we don't have any Authorization from Allah's Quran, then it is merely a guesswork, and nothing but a guesswork, no matter how many millions and millions of big scholars of past and present support it.
Man, in spite of all his hallmark achievements, is nothing but an absolute zero. Finally, into the dust to become dust.
All those millions and millions of scholars, past and present, died and will die, and will become earth into the earth, and they will be raised again and questioned about what they said and did.Is it wise,---Is it wise,---again, Is it wise to obey those who will be questioned---Or---Is it wise to obey The One, Who will question???
Is it wise to obey those who are given---Or---Is it wise to obey The One, Who gives???
Is it wise to obey those who are being watched---Or---Is it wise to obey The One, Who is watching and writing???In all ages, uncertified people have always passed on "uncertified things" as Deen. Those unathorized people have always put forward unauthorized sayings as the source of Deen. And people who are fearless of Allah's Strong Hold, have always put their faith in those uncertified things as a source of Deen.
Just imagine, Imam Bukhari never saw, met and talked to the Messenger, and as such he couldn't. Yet he claimed to compile the sayings of the Messenger which he never heard with his own ears from the Messenger. And that Unauthorized compilation is claimed and accepted by millions of scholars and the ummah as the explanation of The Authorized Quran.
Unauthorized explanations of An Authorized Quran!!!
Unauthorized books of Unauthorized Imams.
-----Allah's Quran does not Certifies and Authorizes Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim and such people.The big-ones of the ummah say man-made books of ahadith are not Unauthorized.----Okay! If they are not unauthorized, then who Authorized them?-----Where in Al-Quran it says that, alongwith Al-Quran, the ummah have to follow the extra-Quranic sayings of the Messenger?!!
((1))---People say in Al-Quran, Allah has ordered us to obey the Messenger, and you say that following Al-Bukhari and Sihah Sittah are the obedience to the Messenger.-----Did Allah Authorize Sahih Al-Bukhari as the Obedience to the Messenger?---No!---Then what is the Clear Authority in favour of this claim? If there is no Divine Authority from Allah, then this is nothing but mere conjecture-----We should fear Allah!
((2))---People say man-made books of ahadith are Al-Hikmah. Who said this?---Did Allah say this?---No!---Then this is nothing but mere conjecture.-----We should fear Allah!
((3))---It is said that the extra-Quranic sayings of the Messenger are "Hidden Wahee".-----Did Allah Authorize that extra-Quranic sayings of the Messenger are "Hidden Wahee"???Now read and contemplate
((1))-----Allah, in His Safe, Holy and Exalted Quran has ordered us to obey the Messenger, and not the Prophet. Where ever Allah ordered us to obey the Messenger in The Quran, Allah used the word "Messenger", and not "Prophet". A Messenger is always with The Message. It clearly means that we have to obey the Messenger by obeying The Message.
Allah has never ordered us to follow the extra-Quranic sayings of the Messenger.-----"Follow (O mankind) that which has been sent down to you from your Lord, and do not follow besides Him any awliyah (their books). Little it is you remember." (Al-Aaraaf-3)-----
It is very much clear form the above verse---and do not follow besides Him any awliyah ---means follow Allah, and following Allah means follow what Allah has sent down, that is Al-Quraan only.-----And following any awliyah means following their written or compiled books. So, it is forbidden because it is shirk.
So, Allah ordered to obey the Messenger. And also Allah ordered to follow "The Message".-----So, obeying the Messenger, and following The Message, are the same thing.-----Obey the Messenger by following The Message that he brought.
Doesn't this directly go into the mind (intellect) and then into the heart?-----Peep into your heart, and you will find The Truth there.((2))---Allah is Hakeem. His Book is Al-Hikmah.
Allah is The Most Wise. His Book is The Wisdom.
The Messenger himself took The Wisdom from Allah's Quran, and taught to others.((3))---Nowhere in The Quran, Allah said the extra-Quranic sayings of the Messenger is "Hidden Wahee".
The Message is more important than the Messenger. That is why the Messenger passed away, but The Message remains with the ummah. But the ummah have forgotten The Message, and is after the Messenger's sayings, and the Messenger is not with them.-----Isn't it so?---Say-----"Yes it so!"
The Messenger was given the designation of "The Messenger". So he was and is, the Messenger, in his life and also after his death.-----But if the Messenger had been given the designation of "The Explainer of Al-Quran", then Allah would have kept him alive until Al-Qiyamah to explain The Quran for the ummah.---But we know that the Messenger is no more with the ummah after his death. Now who will explain Al-Quran for them?---In fact, Allah's Quran is for the mankind, and It is Self-explanatory. Because there is no need of an explainer of a Self-explanatory Quran, that is why Allah called the Messenger back, and let His Exalted and easy-to-understand Quran with the ummah.
Indeed, until the Messenger was alive, no one was better than him to explain The Message. He used to explain Al-Quran from within Al-Quran. Now the Messenger is no more with us.-----Okay! You read The Quran, and you will understand everything. There is no need of Sahih Al-Bukhari, any tafseer or teacher.
The Messenger is the Messenger for his ummah and the mankind until Al-Qiyamah. But he was an explainer of Al-Quran for the Sahaba.-----After the Messenger's death, the Sahaba themselves contemplated in Al-Quran and solved their problems and ran their matters.
And if the Messenger is the Explainer of Al-Quran for the ummah until Al-Qiyamah, then where is the Messenger? He is not with the ummah, because he has died. And the books which Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim compiled using the name of the Messenger, can never be the replacement of the Messenger, because the Messenger himself never narrated those ahadith to Imam Bukhari. Even Imam Bukhari heard the ahadith form someone who himself never heard the Messenger narrating his ahadith.
Allah didn't send down any Verse to Authorize Imam Bukhari's work as "The Second Source of Deen".-----And the Messenger never put his "Signature of Attestation" or never put his "Seal of Authorization" on Imam Bukhari's book.-------Unauthorized books of Unauthorized Imams.
Now, call your intellect and think for a moment, the Sahaba took Guidance from Al-Quran in their own specific environment, surroundings and the things they used. We will never find aero planes, computers, machines, space technology, etc. in their times. Now we are in a different environment with different things to use, so we will take Guidance from Allah's Quran in accordance with our needs.
Indeed, the matter of "Faith in Allah", and "Behaviourism" is the same for all times, and these matters are discussed to the last detail in Allah's Quran. Rest of the things are related to the environments in which people of different times live.-----If we try to look and implement those specific applications of Quran that was applied at the time of Sahaba, we will be perplexed. We have to implement Al-Quran in our own surroundings and environments.
Allah will not question us about the old days, horses, donkeys, swords, etc. Allah will question us about the applications of Al-Quran in our times, environment, things, computers, space technology, modern equipments and their usage.
The Messenger and his rightly guided Sahaba set an example of taking Guidance from Allah's Quran in their times and environment, and the specific things they used.
Now it is up to us to set an example of taking Guidance from Allah's Quran according to our own time, environment, and the specific things that we use.
Remember, the Specific environment and Specific things that people use, in their times, create specific problems for them. And their problems may not be the problems for next generations.-----Sahaba rode horses, camels, donkeys, but we don't.----We travel on motor bikes, trains, and aero planes, but Sahaba didn't.
Now, since, Allah's Quran is A Guidance for all times, places and environments, so all the generations will take Guidance from Allah's Quran to solve their problems and settle their matters that exist in their environments.
Did you see, time, environment and things, change-----but Allah's Guidance (Al-Quran) remains unchanged. This is The Proof that Allah's Quran is Supreme over all times and all environments.
The people of the ummah who were without Sahih Al-Bukhari, they were The Super Power of their time (Sahaba only). Weren't they?---Yes, they were.-----And today the ummah is with Sahih Al-Bukhari, and they are the slaves of the non-muslims. Beggars at their doors.----Haram sects. Fighting with each other. Humiliation, Downfall, Terrorism, Mysticism, Corrupt Rulers and Misguided Religious Scholars---Why???-----Because the ummah today have no love for "The Only Certified and Authorized Source of Deen, Al-Quran."
The ummah, 200 years after the death of the Messenger, have found for themselves another quran.
Read and contemplate-----"And when Our Verses are recited to them as clear Evidence, those who hope not for their meeting with Us, say ?Bring a quran other than this (Quran), or make
changes in this (Quran).? Say (O Messenger) ?It is not for me to change It on my own accord. I follow not but that which is revealed unto me. Indeed, I fear, if I were to disobey my Lord, the punishment of a Great Day.? (Younus15)So, the liars couldn't stand the Straight, Clear and Easy-to-understand Instructions of Allah's Quran. They demanded---?Bring a quran other than this (Quran), or make changes in this (Quran)."---The Messenger refused and said---?It is not for me to change It (Allah's Quran) on my own accord. I follow not but that which is revealed unto me. Indeed, I fear, if I were to disobey my Lord, the punishment of a Great Day.?---
And look, ---what the Messenger never did, ---and what the rightly guided Sahaba never did,-----it is the Persian Imam Bukhari and Persian Imam Muslim who did it. And the ummah and their scholars fall on it like flies fall on sweets.
And to make it more impressive, they claimed that Sahih Al-Bukhari and Sahih Al-Muslim are from Allah (Hidden Revelation).
-----"Then woe be to those who write the Scripture (man-made books of shariah, ahadith) with their own hands, then they say, ?This is from Allah, (they say man-made books of ahadith are also Wahee, means from Allah)? that they may sell it for a small price. Woe be to them for that which their hands have written, and woe be to them for that which they earn." (Al-Buqarah-79)Big Imaams, allaamas, scholars and leaders fabricated a big Lie, and declared from their own desire, that unauthorized man-made books of ahadith Bukhari, Muslim and others are The Second Source of Islaam. What they said and still say, is not authorized by a Divine Authority from Allah. And anything which is not approved by Allah, is nothing but Lie, Fabrication and Sorcery (Jadoo, Magic).
-----"Those who do not believe in Allah's Verses, only they invent falsehood. And it is they, who are the liars." (Al-Nahl-105)
-----"Woe unto each sinful liar." (Al-Jasia-7)-----"The Quraan is not a fabricated Hadith but a confirmation of what has existed before it, and a detailed explanation of everything, and A Guidance, and A Mercy for the people who believe." (Yousuf-111)
Allah is confirming, that His Quraan is not a fabricated hadith, whereas, Allah didn't confirm Imaam Bukhari, Imaam Muslim or other man-made books of ahadith that they are not fabricated. And when Allah is saying that His Quraan is not fabricated, then only Allah's Quraan is not fabricated. Else are, for sure, fabricated.
There are many examples in The Quraan, where Allah gave His Judgement about one thing, but the same Judgement was not given about any other thing. Then the thing which has Allah's Judgement in its favour is authorized, else are unauthorized. For Example-----"And what We have revealed to you (O Muhammad) of the Book, it is The Truth." (Faatir-31)
So, here in this verse Allah says that His revealed Book, The Quraan is The Truth. Allah certified only His revealed Quraan as The Truth. So, The Quraan is The Only Book of Truth. No other book (Imaam Bukhari, Imaam Muslim, etc) is the book of Truth, because they have no Divine Certificate from Allah as The Book of Truth.
Same way only Allah's Quraan is not a fabricated book, other than Al-Quraan, Imaam Bukhari, Imaam Muslim, Musnavi-e-Roomi, etc, are all, for sure, fabricated. It's a serious matter. It is a matter of Tauheed and shirk. It is a matter of Paradise or Hell. And because of the seriousness of this matter, Allah confirmed for His humble slaves that His Quraan is not a fabricated book, they must believe in It. Other than The Quraan, Allah didn't confirm any other book as "not fabricated." Then how can Allah's momin say that Sahih Al-Bukhari, Sahih Al-Muslim are not fabricated, because Allah didn't say this.Couldn't the Messenger write his own explanations of Quran with his own hand?---Yes, he could.-------But the Messenger never wrote his own explanations of Al-Quran with his own hand, and even never ordered his righteous and rightly guided Sahaba to pen down his extra-Quranic sayings.
What is Sahih Al-Bukhari, Sahih Al-Muslim and Sihah Sitta?--The big-ones of the Ummah say these are the Hadith of the Messenger.---Don't they know that in The Sight of Allah these are not at all the Hadith of the Messenger?---If only the ummah had read Allah's Quran, they would have known that in The Sight of Allah, Al-Quran is the Hadith of the Messenger.
---"This (Quran) is the Hadith (Qol) of a Noble Messenger." (Al-Haqqaa-40)---
Allah has declared that The Hadith of His Exalted Messenger is Al-Quraan.--That's it.--Allah has put an end to all disputes with His Verse.---But still, if someone disputes and declares that Bukhari and Muslim are the hadith of the Messenger, because the "misled big-ones" of the ummah declare so, then he is disputing with Allah's Clear and Easy-to-understand Verse. He is an enemy of Allah and His Messenger.
---"This (Quran) is the Hadith (Qol) of a Noble Messenger." (Al-Haqqaa-40)---
Yes, only Al-Quran alone, and not at all Sahih Al-Bukhari and Sahih Al-Muslim.--So sad, the whole ummah is fighting against Allah and His Messenger, because they don't have Imaan in what Allah declares in His Quran---"This (Quran) is the Hadith (Qol) of a Noble Messenger." (Al-Haqqaa-40)---and the Messenger said in, what is his Hadith------"This (Quran) is the Hadith (Qol) of a Noble Messenger." (Al-Haqqaa-40)---
So, when Allah and His Exalted Messenger are declaring that Al-Quran is the Hadith of the Messenger, then why the "misled big-ones" of the ummah demand to accept Sahih Al-Bukhari and Sahih Al-Muslim as the hadith of the Messenger??? -----Do they want others to do open Kufr of Allah and His Messenger?-----Do the big-ones want others to stand against Allah and His Messenger? If they have taken their big-ones (Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim) as their rubbs, why they invite others to commit the same Shirk?---Do they not fear Allah?--Oh, no!---Do they not use their intellect?--No, not at all!
Contemplate, when Allah has already declared that---"This (Quran) is the Hadith (Qol) of a Noble Messenger." (Al-Haqqaa-40)---then how can Allah's momin go against Allah's Clear Declaration by having Imaan that Bukhari and Muslim are the hadith of the Messenger? How can he become a Kafir of Allah, by accepting Sahih Al-Bukhari and Sahih Al-Muslim the hadith of the Messenger??? When Allah never mentioned the name of Sahih Al-Bukhari and Sahih Al-Muslim in His Safe, Holy and Supreme Quran, then how can a truthful slave of Allah, without any proof, accept them as anything of any importance?
Why do some people always call people to follow the Unauthorized books of ahadith?
Dear brother, Faithful-Jinn, your dream is your personal experience. It is not for us to follow.
Rather, for all of us, It is only and only Allah's Quran, which must be followed.Allah's Quran---and---your dream,---Allah's Quran is above your dream and Allah's Quran is The Authorization.
Even for you, your unauthorized dream is nothing, and Allah's Quran is everything.
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Too long, didn't read.
Though I bet, it's one of the most well thought-out and constructed posts detailing why the Quran is the only legit divine source. ;D
Peace and God bless. No, I'm not trying to shunt harams or avoid rules, which is what you'll see a sunni accuse you and others of.
-Edit- Actually read a good part of that. I'm saving that post if you don't mind since you make very good points, most of which I've kind of seen before and which I myself kind of argued in the past as well.
Peace.
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Dear All,
It may happen during one's development, quite naturally, that one sways back and forth between different ideas/extremes/interpretations. It allows you to get to know different schools of thought, which is necessary in order to compare and evaluate them.
This swaying often happens out of FEAR. This is also natural. One wants to do the right thing, believe the right thing, but you don't have enough knowledge and intellectual experience to decide what to believe in or in what direction to go. FEAR that you might be wrong... FEAR from the punishments people threaten you with if you don't follow their school of thought.... and FEAR can paralyze you, inhibit your thinking and reasoning capacity.
What is important is that one honestly want the TRUTH, whatever it may be, and search and pray for it. Truth is truth and we should want it whatever it looks like (without first deciding what we want it to look like). Then it is safer to sway back and forth a bit while you try to see clearly and align yourself with the right path.
People are stuck in their religions (this is my personal opinion) mostly due to FEAR and due to the incredibly powerful forces of HABIT and desire for SOCIAL ACCEPTANCE.
just my two cents on why people can shift between contradicting religions/ideas/school so thought on their journey of development
Peace
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EXCELLENT post Zulf.
Personally, I think mainstream Islam uses fear to not only lure non-mainstream-muslims (coughsunniscough) into it, but to keep the current muslims (at least, people who think they're part of mainstream Islam, even when they've yet to fathom what that is) in it. They (the dudes running the joint, i.e. Islam) legitimately believe and declare apostasy to be punishable by death. LOL! Even Allah in the Quran tells people of different religions to leave each other alone/be cool w/ each other.
That bs law is in the corrupt Old & New Testament which God called corrupt 1400 yrs ago.
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I once saw God in human's form in a dream, he was very handsome and smiling at me, dreams are dreams, hadiths are bullshit.
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Hadith of Prophet
"The best of my sayings and of the sayings of all Prophets before me is There is no god but Allah alone, without partner, to Him belong all sovereignty and glory, and He has power over all things."
Narrated by Tirmidhi fromAmr ibn Shuayb, from his father, from his grandfather (hasan gharib).Kaiokenred
hadiths are bullshit.
Any body can feel the difference.
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Hadith of Prophet
"The best of my sayings and of the sayings of all Prophets before me is There is no god but Allah alone, without partner, to Him belong all sovereignty and glory, and He has power over all things."
Narrated by Tirmidhi fromAmr ibn Shuayb, from his father, from his grandfather (hasan gharib).Kaiokenred
Any body can feel the difference.
Salam and Peace on you!
How can this be the best of the sayings of all the Prophets before the last Messenger. Did the previous Messengers say something different from the last Messenger?
Allah says in His Exalted Quran, that all the Messengers brought the same "Message".
So according to Allah, no one's saying is better than the others.
Whereas, Tirmizi says that our Prophet's saying is better than the previous Prophets.Any body can feel the difference.
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Hadith of Prophet
"The best of my sayings and of the sayings of all Prophets before me is-----------"
Narrated by Tirmidhi fromAmr ibn Shuayb, from his father, from his grandfather (hasan gharib).Salam!
This is boasting.
And dearest Prophet never declared his virtues with such pride.
He was not boastful.He was a humble and thankful slave of his Allah.
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A lot of Peace on you and your loved ones.
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Raajah...what is your post trying to say, if you don't mind me asking.
LOL, I bet Kaiokenred is a DBZ fan!
Well anyone that watched DBZ would now that lol from my name P anyway i dont watch it anymore, but thats my runescape name so i put it in here too so i wont forget it
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Salam!
This is boasting.
And dearest Prophet never declared his virtues with such pride.
He was not boastful.He was a humble and thankful slave of his Allah.
I think by posting your second post you have already recognized your mistake in the first one and now let me point the mistake in your second post
Can any one assume from what he is saying he
glorified himself in speech; or talked in a self-admiring way.This is such virtue every one feels proud to declare, please read the Quran
La Ila ha illallah
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Can any one assume from what he is saying he
glorified himself in speech; or talked in a self-admiring way.How could the Prophet glorify or praise himself, when All Glory and Praise is for Allah alone.
"All praise is for Allah" (Al-Fatiha-1)
Why all Praise is for Allah alone. The answer is in the same Verse.
"The Lord of the worlds." (Al-Fatiha-1)
The Lord of the worlds is The Sustainer, Giver and Protector of His creation.
La Ilaha Illallah
There is no Ilah, but Allah.
There is no Sustainer, but Allah.
There is no Giver, but Allah.
There is no Protector, but Allah.
There is no Haadi, but Allah.
So,---there is no one to be Praised and Glorified, but Allah.This is such virtue every one feels proud to declare, please read the Quran
La Ila ha illallah
Jazak Allah!
I read The Quran, Alhamdolillah!
It is only Allah who deserves All Praise and Glory and Honor.
And this is what our Prophet told the ummah.-----"Whoever desires honor (through wealth and power), then (he should know that) to Allah belongs all the Honor. To Him ascend good words, and the righteous deeds does He exalt. And those who plot evil deeds (to attain honor), for them will be a severe punishment. And the plotting of those, it will perish." (Fatir-10)
After reading the above quoted Verse, no one can believe the hadith of Tirmizi is correct.
A true momin is one, who fears Allah, and bow and humble himself before his Allah, and never boasts and never glorifies himself.
Dearest Prophet was a true momin.-----"Whoever desires honor (through wealth and power), then (he should know that) to Allah belongs all the Honor.
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How could the Prophet glorify or praise himself, when All Glory and Praise is for Allah alone.
Did he? in this particular hadith mentioned above, is the question.
Rajah
Can any one assume from what he is saying he
glorified himself in speech; or talked in a self-admiring way.brickwall
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I had a dream a week or 2 ago... I saw the Prophet(pbuh) in my dream. I couldn't see any detail in his face and he seemed extremely distant though he was standing right next to me but I undeniably saw the Prophet Muhammad in my dream and no one can convince me otherwise.
At first I didn't even want to believe it it has taken me 2 weeks to accept but now that I have had this dream I am absolutely positive the sahih hadith are true and I must follow the Sunnah.
The crazy thing about this dream is I prayed for a dream from God about 1 or 2 months prior to the dream occurring. I have been on the fence the past 5-7 months about whether or not I need to align my beliefs to the hadith or not but now I am sure I must. I prayed for a dream from God and I prayed for God to show me whether I should embrace the hadith and the Sunnah or stick to only the Qur'an. I now have my answer alhamdullilah."
Dear friend
Many smart people like you convert to many other religions, sects, and orders. For instance, what has now excited you has excited many converts to Mormonism. They too use this simple psychological game to gain new followers. When you PRIME YOUR BRAIN with such idea, your brain will more like will incubate on it and while sleeping will go through the memory and thought files. Your non-critical thinking brain relied on a false hadith and it to avoid contradiction it buried it in its subconscious. Then, while its logic zone was out of order, played the game. THen, it declared a prophetic dream.
If you bet your eternal life on your silly dreams you will most likely end up with a nightmare, and this might be an eternal one.
Peace,
Edip -
Book 029, Number 5639
Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying He who saw me in a dream in fact saw me, for the satan cannot assume my form.Book 029, Number 5637
Abu Qatada reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying He who saw me in dream in fact saw the truth (what is true).What about Satan made up these hadiths to fool the gullible and the wishful thinkers?
Peace,
Edip -
Did he? in this particular hadith mentioned above, is the question.
Rajah
brickwallOkay!---Language problem.
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