Definition of the quranic words
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please don't give me the fully detailed bs after my response, it is fully detailed as source of guidance for our own (nafs) selves (the Quran that is), anyways yes I do, early classical Arabic dictionaries
Where are those early classical Arabic dictionaries? When where they written? The point is that Allah did not promised to protect those early classical arabic dictionaries. The meaning of all those verses can be corrupted. Why is it that you suddenly need another source besides the quran? Isnt the quran enough? Isnt the quran fully detailed?
seriously, that is the lamest argument you could have responded with, let me respond to this
- I never said the grammer rules changed, I said quite the opposite infact, I said the grammer rules have changed some words had altered meanings in order to conform to Zoroastrian rituals adopted by the Sunnis in Persia which had a high amount of influence on how Muslims interpreted the Quran
Well the same sunni's could changed the meaning of the quran to conform the Zoroastrian/Greek rituals. Those same people that you people accuse of lies have altered the meaning of the quran. So where is your proof?
- Let me see how I can explain this, the argument your missing is God did not promise to protect the stories of Muhammad doesn't make them false BUT God not promising to protect them and then them spreading over a 200-300 year period of oral transmission from one generation to a next before being written does and is bound to create a lot of gossip and false stories about him especially being such a revered figure, while many classical dictionaries were written down, not compiled within the author's head, said aloud to crowds over a period of time, then written down 200-300 years later
They were not written down after 200 years. Get educated.
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Salaams,
i think two people here , if you noticed are dedicated to traditionalism - be it right or wrong they are totally dedicated ,they will not look for what is right or wrong but will show what is right / and wrong.Salaams.
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Peace be upon you Mujahid,
Very well said regarding how sunnis use "quran" as a baiting tool.
Layla stated
Maybe in the same post I suggest again the idea of an on-line Quranic study group, which would analyse the Book verse by verse, discuss the meanings, roots, grammar points, etc???
Please keep me updated if this is started.
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Salaams layla,idolfree,
Good idea-mashaallah.
count me in if you want to start something,like that.Don't mind donating time for that research.
Salaams.
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peac
please don't give me the fully detailed bs after my response, it is fully detailed as source of guidance for our own (nafs) selves (the Quran that is), anyways yes I do, early classical Arabic dictionaries
Shame on you! I thought the quran was fully detailed and explained. Why do you follow other sources? Wasnt the quran enough? I thought Allah only protected the quran?
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Salaam Ansar
In order to understand the quran one must have knowledge of the world or else the quran will be useless. So yes it is necessary to know the words and what they can mean so that when one approaches the quran they can choose the most coherent meanings based on their context within the decree. Reflect on ayat 4153.
Joe
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Peace,
Here?s a point (way )simplified from "The structure of ethical terms in the Qur?aan"
There is a science to how language is learned and understood. The Qur'aan is a perfect example of this science.
Example The author of a narrative says ?Mr. Brown is GOOD.?
The reader cannot know for sure what is GOOD to the author. He only knows for sure what GOOD means to himself, the reader.The author goes on to say. ?GOOD is charity, morality, justice.?
?GOOD is not lewdness, cheating, lying?.Keeping the above principle in mind other meanings or understandings for GOOD are irrelevant when the reader is ONLY trying to understand the AUTHOR?S point of view. This eliminates the confusion of dictionaries with multiple meanings and meanings changing over time.
Hence, the Qur'aan explains itself through repetition by different angles (tasreef), negative and positive uses of a word, and (mukhamat) basic universally understood uses of a word. A good example of this is kaabata. ?Wipe you feet (universally understood) to the ANKLES?. The next time the word appears it retains the authors? basic use or meaning.
In my humble understanding I don?t see God leaving mankind to guess, only to think. God says He has made this Qur?aan easy. Logically, a universal message meant to guide all of mankind would have to be such if one considers the varying of intellects. Perhaps we should first be clear on the basics before moving on to the esoteric and ?higher? meanings.