IF THE QURAN IS REALLY GOD'S WORD, AND ALLAH IS REALLY GOD AS WE THINK HIM...
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Peace dear friends here! Thank you to every single one of you, that you all took the time and effort to respond! you have helped me very much, and REMINDED me, why i love God and free minds to begin with...cause it's all about God in the Koran, and not shia, sunni, hadeethist.....oh my gosh! it was like a light bulb turning on after i read all of your answers! of course! most of these poor people are shackled by hadeeth and "tradition" and know little of God, except their group's requirements/rituals/formalities. !!!!!!!
i can't believe i needed OTHER PEOPLE to remind me of that! duuuh....i feel silly, but again, grateful that one of God's mercies in my own life is this very website! free minds is my mosque! again, thank you so much to all of you!
after reading all of your posts, i can't help but make the comparison to the Bible, where God is warning (old testament) the jewish ("chosen ones" at the time) people that if they do not stop ignoring God, (this is a psalm, i just don't remember the number) "your dead will not be buried, and their bones will dry in the sun and be scattered in all the lands...", and then i think of Jewish history.....so, i am coming away with this- Get back to GOD, and stay with GOD, and then you will be in a whole different place in all aspects of your life....thanx for opening my eyes folks! Peace to all of you! please post more replies to me on this subject anytime! I am an avid learner! I have only been a submitter to God a little over a year, and withing the first few months already, i instinctively got uncomfortable feelings from all the sunnis i am surrounded by, and looked to the internet for guidance, which is when i found free minds! Thank God!
Happy to help, and I'm so glad you're mind is clear now)
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my heart is broken, and i need to know, immediately, before i literally turn atheist, how in the heck THIS god, whom we all sincerely believe in, can allow an entire region, comprised almost entirely of "true believers", to turn into hell on earth?
This is a baseless assumption.
Reality doesn't care about our imagined assumptions. The one true god is the god that we cannot imagine. This will always be true.
Stick with what you know for certain is absolutely true and start from there.
Peace,
Ayman
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Salaam hanifa47,
Firstly, I seek refuge in Allah from Shaitaan
The problem with us is, we think and ponder by closing Allah's Book, when we are asked to ponder on the aayaats said in Allah's Book. InshaAllah, on the basis of your post, I will try to answer you in detail with my understanding of the subject, but please read it carefully the whole thing.
PEACE BE UPON ALL OF YOU HERE. i am a member here, post quite regularly, and until recently, really believed myself to be a submitter to the God commonly called Allah. However, recently, i am sleeping alot less at night, doing prayers much less frequently (not sure anymore who i should be praying to or what to call that entity), and not reading the Koran at all anymore.
Take a good sleep first and read AlQuraan regularly, inshaAllah, you will find your answers.
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4724 Do they not reflect upon the Quraan? Or are there locks on the hearts?Why? Indeed, why? I believe, but am not sure, that it is because of the fact that the entire middle east, the "cradle" of "the final message from God" (a god whom we believe to be omniscient, omnipotent, all merciful, all-compassionate, and much more), is, for all intents and purposes, a blood bath, to a greater or lesser degree depending upon geographic location.
Yes Allah is Omniscient, Omnipotent, All Merciful, All Compassionate and many more. Look below
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1044 Allah does not wrong the people in the least, but it is the people who wrong themselves.
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440 Indeed, Allah does not wrong the weight of an atom; and if it is good He will double it. And He grants from Himself a great recompense.
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2519 They have refuted what you claimed, so you will not find any excuse nor any victor. And whoever has done wrong among you, We will let him taste a great retribution.
And still a way out
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4110 And whoever does any evil, or wrongs himself, then seeks the forgiveness of Allah; he will find Allah is Forgiver, Merciful.
my heart is broken, and i need to know, immediately, before i literally turn atheist,
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They ask you concerning fighting in the Sacred Months. Say, "Fighting therein is a great but a greater with Allah is to prevent mankind from following the Way of Allah, to disbelieve in Him, to prevent access to Al-Masjid-al-Haram, and to drive out its inhabitants, and Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And they will never cease fighting you until they turn you back from your religion if they can. And whosoever of you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever, then his deeds will be lost in this life and in the Hereafter, and they will be the dwellers of the Fire. They will abide therein forever."
how in the heck THIS god, whom we all sincerely believe in, can allow an entire region, comprised almost entirely of "true believers", to turn into hell on earth?
How did you get this idea? Allah never harm believers.
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10103 Then We will save Our messengers and those who believe. It is thus binding upon Us that We save the believers.
does ANYONE HERE, aside from myself, have even an iota of a creeping feeling, even once, that we may be following a false god described in a man-authored book, and the we may just be plain wrong? i mean, it just seems that for people who the Koran describes as sercvants of god, indeed, the only true servants of god, there is just non-stop, on-going violence, bloodshed, war, and unrest going on there! how has this not happenned to christianity at large for such a long time?
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997 The Arabs are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely not to know the boundaries of what Allah has sent down upon His messenger. Allah is Knower, Wise.
the middle east, again, the land of "the true believers" has seen, and continues to see, GENERATIONS of violence and bloodshed!
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230 And your Lord said to the angels I am placing a successor on the earth. They said Will You place in it he who would make corruption in it, and spill blood; while we praise by Your glory, and exalt to You? He said I know what you do not know.
how can i stand here, on my prayer rug, and say 'allahu akbar' if it really does not seem that he is very 'akbar' at all,
Allah never say He is Akbar, so don't have to say "Allahu Akbar", better say "Allahu Ahad".
or, if he is great, then he just does not give a rat's butt what happens to his peoploe? or what?
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11116 And your Lord will not destroy the towns unjustly, while its people are good doers.
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6131 That is because your Lord was not to destroy any town because of its wickedness while its people were unaware.
what have i gotten wrong here? where have i stryed, that this is becoming more and more of a problem for me both spiritually and morally?
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663 Say Who rescues you from the darkness of the land and the sea? You call on Him in humility and in secret If You save us from this, we will be of the thankful!664
664 Say Allah saves you from it and from all distresses, yet you will still set up partners!665
665 Say He is able to send retribution from above you or from below your feet, or He will make you belong to opposing factions, then He will let you taste the might of each other. See how We dispatch the signs, perhaps they may understand.
Finally, I seek refuge in Allah from Shaitaan.
May Allah guide us all to His true path pr
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There are no man-made ideologies or philosophies can give people true happiness and inner peace.
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There are no man-made ideologies or philosophies that can give people true happiness and inner peace.
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Peace dear friends here! Thank you to every single one of you, that you all took the time and effort to respond! you have helped me very much, and REMINDED me, why i love God and free minds to begin with...cause it's all about God in the Koran, and not shia, sunni, hadeethist.....oh my gosh! it was like a light bulb turning on after i read all of your answers! of course! most of these poor people are shackled by hadeeth and "tradition" and know little of God, except their group's requirements/rituals/formalities. !!!!!!!
Dear hanifa47
Your welcome )
Keep your head up.
Peace and Respect,
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mm khan Peace upon you and your logical brain! thank you! thanks also to david k, and everyone else! i am going to print all your responses! talk about an education! and yes, it sure was a baseless assumption on my part (to whoever wrote that), and a stupid one as well (rookie believer) to assume just because middle east is islamist, that they are all truly faithful....duuuuh....my mistake!
how could i ever leave God? never-keeping my head up! i plead temporary, momentary insanity from tv news....sorry.... elektro
going to read suggested books and Qur'an right now! I'm reading Yuksel and co. Reformist translation right now-went thru traditional translations (ali, pickthall) already. Peace to all of you!
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Peace hanifa47, all
When humanity don't follow monotheism they will be separated. They will not have strong bond that can unite them. They will separate into different groups and an invented reality will emerge. Nations, flags, different lifestyles, traditions, ideologies and other man-made systems will appear. They will say that "this is my country and that is your country". But in reality there is only one God (the creator), one country (planet earth) and one race (humanity). In reality all human beings are brothers and sisters. But in the invented reality we see all around us, humanity is separated by ethnicities, ideologies and lifestyles. The concept of polytheism is more comprehensive than conventional religious ideas and theories claim it is. A polytheist is not just someone who just prays to stone idols. Many people create illusions in their mind and convince themselves that they are separated from the rest of mankind and nature, and they don't accept responsibility for their actions in this life. Science confirms that there is unity in the universe and in our planet. Everything is interconnected. Ergo monotheism can be logically explained. Polytheism however, is an illusion of the mind. It only exists in the minds of people, not in reality. If the whole humanity where united through monotheism there would be no wars, no poverty and no exploitation. If the whole humanity was united through monotheism there would be peace all over the world. If the whole humanity cooperated with eachother human beings would be able to create a paradise on earth and explore the Universe more than ever before.
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I See it like this. We all have free will. This sets a lot of chaos into motion as billions of people are partaking in their right to free will. To save one group takes away another groups freedom to make their own choices. Simply put, bad things happen between people because the world is full of bad our short sighted people.
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Great post David K
p.s My prayer till now was successful even tho i didn't make ablution God helped me, something i feared would happen today definitely, didn't happen ) i hope it remains so the other days p
Peace peace
I guess I have always had a hunger for knowledge. I like to learn new things and new skills very often. I have learned a lot from many people in this forum. There are many people in this forum that or more knowledgable than me on different topics. The more knowledge I get, the more I realize how little I know about life. What I believe today, might be discarded tomorrow. My advice to you is the following Seek knowledge. You should develop a hunger for knowledge. And learn as much as you can about Islam. If you start to get knowledge in an early age, you will have lots of knowledge when you are in your twenties. And perhaps you already have lots of knowledge. Because you seem like a smart person and you seem to have spiritual awareness.
"Learning is a treasure that will follow its owner everywhere."
- Chinese proverb
Peace and Respect,
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what about China? it has one of the largest Muslim populations of the world and the deputy premier (3rd most powerful man) is an Hui (Muslim)
its simply that the state is like Turkey a secular one and people can't have open religious affiliations; and coming from a Chinese Islam is far from persecuted in China -
I guess I have always had a hunger for knowledge. I like to learn new things and new skills very often. I have learned a lot from many people in this forum. There are many people in this forum that or more knowledgable than me on different topics. The more knowledge I get, the more I realize how little I know about life. What I believe today, might be discarded tomorrow. My advice to you is the following Seek knowledge. You should develop a hunger for knowledge. And learn as much as you can about Islam. If you start to get knowledge in an early age, you will have lots of knowledge when you are in your twenties. And perhaps you already have lots of knowledge. Because you seem like a smart person and you seem to have spiritual awareness.
"Learning is a treasure that will follow its owner everywhere."
- Chinese proverb
Peace and Respect,
David.Hahhahah thanks for the compliments, I'm propably not that much intelligent but i know I'm smartP
Peace and blessings
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Salaam hanifa47,
mm khan Peace upon you and your logical brain! thank you! thanks also to david k, and everyone else! i am going to print all your responses! talk about an education! and yes, it sure was a baseless assumption on my part (to whoever wrote that), and a stupid one as well (rookie believer) to assume just because middle east is islamist, that they are all truly faithful....duuuuh....my mistake!
how could i ever leave God? never-keeping my head up! i plead temporary, momentary insanity from tv news....sorry.... elektro
going to read suggested books and Qur'an right now! I'm reading Yuksel and co. Reformist translation right now-went thru traditional translations (ali, pickthall) already. Peace to all of you!
You are welcome.
Never ever leave Allah and His book, just keep hold tightly the Book of Allah, and seek help from Allah for even a tiny thing, He is the all Knower, most Knowledgeable, all Listener, best Helper, etc. etc..
May Allah guide us all to His path pr
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Salaam David_K,
There are many people in this forum that or more knowledgable than me on different topics.
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1276 So he began with their bags before the bag of his brother. Then he brought it out of the bag of his brother. It was such that We planned for Yousuf, for he would not have been able to take his brother under the system of the king, except that Allah wished it so. We raise the degrees of whom We please, over every knowledgeable person is one more knowing..
You are also in the list, inshaAllah.
May Allah guide us all to His path pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
ALLAH is independent of all those who claim to believe in him.
Belief is a state, not a label. People are led to believe that as long as they say they follow this thing called "Islam" with a capital I, that they're going to enter heaven.
These are the same people that believe that if you say certain things 33 or 32 times (depending on the hadith) that you'll get a free ticket to paradise. Ah, if only it were that easy.
Your faith will wax and wane but remember this - the fact that YOU exist and that you are inseparable from this thing called "ALLAH" means that ALLAH exists, whether in our imaginations or in reality.
In THE objective reality, there is ALLAH and he is lord of all things. In your imagination, for all we know, ALLAH could be some guy with a really long beard that says he'll strike you with his vengeful wrath. Don't trust your imagination all the time, trust the signs of the objective reality to guide you. If you are meant to believe then you will believe through hell or high water, even if you hang onto your belief by a thread of consciousness.