How do you pray?
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@ Ahamad
I get your point and I totally agree with you.
I just wanted to post the follwowing verses from the Quran...
"We have given thee seven of the oft-repeated (verses) and the great Qur'an." (1587)
This shows that we should recite the fatiha, but somehow RK's translation talks about pairs. But then again, there is no verse saying that it is obligatory to always recite it.
Anyways.. one question how many prayers do you think are obligatory per day based on the quran and at what times?
Thanks
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Peace Progressive1993,
Anyways.. one question how many prayers do you think are obligatory per day based on the quran and at what times?
This is a debatable issue... Personally, I think we should offer 3 prayers per day, during the periods of morning, noon (or afternoon), and evening, just like the Jewish prayer times. From my perspective, this is what the Qur'aan relays too, by emphasizing morning and evening salaat, and then alluding to the middle prayer (i.e. "salaatu al wusta". There is also an optional nighttime salaat observance as well, as mentioned in the scripture, but the other 3 are mandatory, based on my understanding...
Peace,
Ahmad
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I pray by bowing and prostrating but dont add the Mohhamad is the messenger part.(5 times)
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I pray the traditional way (with the extra known prayers) but I take Muhammad out of the shahada. After all I think the shahada is for one only.
I used to say "Ashhaduana la ilaha illallah, wahdahu la sharika la, washhaduana muhammadan 'abdu warasulluh.
Now it's "Ashhaduana la ilaha illallah, wahdahu la sharika la, lahul mulk walahul hamdu, yuhyi wayumeet. ;D
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i know one Quran-alone brother who makes salat (as in bowing and prostrating) in the morning and evening (just two times per day), and combines the bowing and prostrating with remembrance of God, reading Quran, and praise.
he argues, very well, that the Quran asks us to honor times for prayer, but does not say exactly when. we are asked to praise God in the morning and evening, to pray morning and evening, to bow, to prostrate, to remember Him.
so surely the entire world needn't follow the specific examples of Mohammed. but from my reading and this brother's reading, we are asked to pray at the dawn and dusk, and to remember God throughout the day, and to bow and prostrate, and praise Him. i tend to combine these commandments in salat.
I would like to propose 3 levels of salat times. Traditionally, there is only fard and sunnah.
Level 1 fard - morning and evening
Level 2 furqan - the traditional five as done at the Kaba
Level 3 sunnah - extra salat after the fiveI chose the word furqan myself. I am the brother ayani was referring to. I have come to understand the deep significance and truth of the five established prayers that have continued at the Kaba for 1,432 lunar years uninterrupted. There is absolutely no way this could have been changed after the Prophet's death (alayhi salam) without the masses of people protesting innovation.
Furqan means standard. Five is the standard. Why do some of you keep doubting this? You should be glad that these 5 appointments were sent down with authority from the Almighty God. It is a high standard for a reason. It allows for people to strive towards contact with their Lord, if they want.
What I don't like is the "All or Nothing" mentality, like we completely fail our responsibility if we miss one. It makes for unnecessary guilt and turns converts off faster than `Ayisha. (sorry ) but it's true)
So be thankful for the 5 appointments that have been established, and make use of as many as you can.
But be relatively comforted that according to the Qur'an, Morning (fajr) and Evening (maghrib/isha) are the minimum obligation. Salat is a measure of your iman - in number AND quality.
peace
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Peace abdullah_m
You said
There is absolutely no way this could have been changed after the Prophet's death (alayhi salam) without the masses of people protesting innovation.
I guess despicable acts such as halaalah, irrevocable divorce, etc. also could not be innovations because if they were, the masses would have protested innovation.
Imraan
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I chose the word furqan myself. I am the brother ayani was referring to. I have come to understand the deep significance and truth of the five established prayers that have continued at the Kaba for 1,432 lunar years uninterrupted. There is absolutely no way this could have been changed after the Prophet's death (alayhi salam) without the masses of people protesting innovation.
I prefer to look at AlQuraan instead of what is happening since 1,432 lunar uninterrupted years with not authenticity.
Furqan means standard. Five is the standard. Why do some of you keep doubting this? You should be glad that these 5 appointments were sent down with authority from the Almighty God. It is a high standard for a reason. It allows for people to strive towards contact with their Lord, if they want.
Furqaan means 'Criterion' not 'standard'.
So be thankful for the 5 appointments that have been established, and make use of as many as you can.
But be relatively comforted that according to the Qur'an, Morning (fajr) and Evening (maghrib/isha) are the minimum obligation. Salat is a measure of your iman - in number AND quality.
I don't find any aayat quoted in your post.
May Allah guide us all to His path pr
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To answer the topic question
5 a day the Sunni way with the following exceptions
Hands at sides instead of folded
Head is straight, not bent.
Prayer spoken aloud at a moderate tone
Aside from Qur'anic verses, prayers spoken in English.
No turning my head for the greeting of peace when alone.
When at my mosque, I pray the traditional Sunni way.
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Salaam,
By applying "The Law and Guidance of Allah" in my daily life, with logic and reason & with all sincerety .
I do the same as above + I pray twice a day i.e., Salaat AlFajr and Salaat AlEishaan as mentioned in AlQuraan.
May Allah guide us all to His only path pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
How I pray according to the Quran.
Proof Prayer
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I would like to propose 3 levels of salat times. Traditionally, there is only fard and sunnah.
Level 1 fard - morning and evening
Level 2 furqan - the traditional five as done at the Kaba
Level 3 sunnah - extra salat after the fiveI chose the word furqan myself. I am the brother ayani was referring to. I have come to understand the deep significance and truth of the five established prayers that have continued at the Kaba for 1,432 lunar years uninterrupted. There is absolutely no way this could have been changed after the Prophet's death (alayhi salam) without the masses of people protesting innovation.
Furqan means standard. Five is the standard. Why do some of you keep doubting this? You should be glad that these 5 appointments were sent down with authority from the Almighty God. It is a high standard for a reason. It allows for people to strive towards contact with their Lord, if they want.
What I don't like is the "All or Nothing" mentality, like we completely fail our responsibility if we miss one. It makes for unnecessary guilt and turns converts off faster than `Ayisha. (sorry but it's true)
So be thankful for the 5 appointments that have been established, and make use of as many as you can.
But be relatively comforted that according to the Qur'an, Morning (fajr) and Evening (maghrib/isha) are the minimum obligation. Salat is a measure of your iman - in number AND quality.
peace
EXCELLENT POST! Thank you. If you wish you can see my contribution
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603111.0 -
i have come to understand the 3 times of salat but still not fully understood, may be because of our long practice of 5 times a day. i have now problem how to carry my prayer i am realy confused is there any one who can suggest me something.i t iwll be realy a great thing for me.
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sahush, you can check this
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603111.0
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Peace Progressive1993,
You can use whatever method of salaat you feel to be best. But this is NOT the ordination of the scriptures. In fact, even though it's in the reading, the Qur'aan doesn't even tell us we have to recite "Al Faateha" in our salaat at all. What's wrong with reciting ANY chapter or passage of the Qur'aan, as long as it's directed solely to G-d? Sure, 871 tells us to glorify G-d; but it doesn't specify this for salaat alone. It's saying we should glorify G-d ALL THE TIME. The same goes for the testimony cited in 318 - we should acknowledge G-d's oneness ALL THE TIME, not just during our salaat...
I see nothing specifically wrong about the Submitters' salaat observance, as long as it's dedicated solely to G-d and nobody else. However, all Rashad did was take the Sunni salaat and replace bits and pieces of it to dedicate it to G-d alone. There's no evidence in the scripture that the salaat must be performed this way, and it is still an innovation... Can you show me a passage in the reading where it gives a certain outline to observing salaat, in a specific arrangement with specific words?
Peace,
Ahmad
This part
There's no evidence in the scripture that the salaat must be performed this way, and it is still an innovation... Can you show me a passage in the reading where it gives a certain outline to observing salaat, in a specific arrangement with specific words?made me really think...
perhaps @God Within is perfectly right...
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14695.msg179375#msg179375I really try to avoid creating confusion, but I am struggling to understand what Salat is and what God intended for us with it...
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Salaam,
As long as we do our best to be mindful of God and purify ourselves it does not matter how we do it.
God bless you
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Salaam,
As long as we do our best to be mindful of God and purify ourselves it does not matter how we do it.
God bless you
Well. I am not completely sure about that... to much permissiveness in that attitude...
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Salaam,
So it means you cannot belong to other religions and be redeemed?
God bless you
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Salaam,
So it means you cannot belong to other religions and be redeemed?
God bless you
There are no religions, only God alone and our striving towards Him!
sun