Masturbation
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Peace MesMorial
It cannot be the case that just because someone else may see it the act is lewd. If i decide to walk out naked in public that would be rude and lewd IMO. But if i do so in the privacy of my home, then surely it is not. The same applies to Masturbation. It is not about whether someone else sees you do it. IMO The question is whether the act is lewd in itself. OR does it fall under the category of guarding one's private parts.
There is a point to masturbation without without content. If you do so with a pure mind and sight, then at the point of orgasm, the amount of dopamine released is relaxing. Provided no one does it in excess (and i don't think they would if they keep their sight and mind pure) in my opnion it's a beneficial and relaxing thing. Similar to other things like watching a movie.
Others also claim that there are other health benefits but i don't know and don't mostly don't agree with them
So unless the act is lewd initself, or it falls under the category of not guarding one's private parts, then there is no implication of prohibition of masturbation in the Quran as far as i know.
Even if we take the Hadith, it would not be "clarifying" something in this case it would just be giving a new law. Kinda like stoning to death or in some cases the banning of music (or certain types of it) Im not sure as im not so familiar with the hadith.
Nope it doesn't, By guarding it means to keep it safe, to prevent it from getting damage.
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Well you can also think about girls that dont exist o.0 or anime characters as real ? P
I thought you'd take that line. In going through this issue a while back, CGI originally came to my mind ;D
I can't really say much to that. I was forced to conclude there was nothing wrong with CGI or things like it so long as they don't portray real characters but i later decided that that which it's protraying is lewd but at the same time, CGI can protray murder death, stealing (as commonly seen in GTA). I'm against it emotionally but i cant really give you sufficient reasons to keep off of it other than it may lead you to do excess masturbation but then you know your limits i think.
I would suggest though. Just try and keep off of Masturbation for like 4 weeks (I know it's long) just as an experiment to see what happens
They say it will boost your testosterone levels and will make you sharper and other things. I believe this becouse i've done this before. Then once your level is at like a good rate, then once every 9 days or something like that i think is like a good limit. But like i said i'm tempted to just abstain again to see if I can gain any more benefits.I could be completely wrong on this and it may be that the best approach is just to do it whenever you feel like it......
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Nope it doesn't, By guarding it means to keep it safe, to prevent it from getting damage.
I can't really argue against that just considering all possibilities.
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I thought you'd take that line. In going through this issue a while back, CGI originally came to my mind ;D
I can't really say much to that. I was forced to conclude there was nothing wrong with CGI or things like it so long as they don't portray real characters but i later decided that that which it's protraying is lewd but at the same time, CGI can protray murder death, stealing (as commonly seen in GTA). I'm against it emotionally but i cant really give you sufficient reasons to keep off of it other than it may lead you to do excess masturbation but then you know your limits i think.
I would suggest though. Just try and keep off of Masturbation for like 4 weeks (I know it's long) just as an experiment to see what happens
They say it will boost your testosterone levels and will make you sharper and other things. I believe this becouse i've done this before. Then once your level is at like a good rate, then once every 9 days or something like that i think is like a good limit. But like i said i'm tempted to just abstain again to see if I can gain any more benefits.I could be completely wrong on this and it may be that the best approach is just to do it whenever you feel like it......
I dont want to ever masturbate again... I always feel tihs after it... and every time i tell myself, last time or no problem with it, its ok what you were thinking after last time you werent thinking right.. i just dont want to do it again P
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I dont want to ever masturbate again... I always feel tihs after it... and every time i tell myself, last time or no problem with it, its ok what you were thinking after last time you werent thinking right.. i just dont want to do it again P
) I hope you find out whats best for you.
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Peace MesMorial
It cannot be the case that just because someone else may see it the act is lewd. If i decide to walk out naked in public that would be rude and lewd IMO. But if i do so in the privacy of my home, then surely it is not. The same applies to Masturbation. It is not about whether someone else sees you do it. IMO The question is whether the act is lewd in itself. OR does it fall under the category of guarding one's private parts.
There is a point to masturbation without without content. If you do so with a pure mind and sight, then at the point of orgasm, the amount of dopamine released is relaxing. Provided no one does it in excess (and i don't think they would if they keep their sight and mind pure) in my opnion it's a beneficial and relaxing thing. Similar to other things like watching a movie.
Others also claim that there are other health benefits but i don't know and don't mostly don't agree with them
So unless the act is lewd initself, or it falls under the category of not guarding one's private parts, then there is no implication of prohibition of masturbation in the Quran as far as i know.
Even if we take the Hadith, it would not be "clarifying" something in this case it would just be giving a new law. Kinda like stoning to death or in some cases the banning of music (or certain types of it) Im not sure as im not so familiar with the hadith.
Wasalam brother;
That is true, but it is still the thought/intention that counts. Thought leads to intention which leads to action, and acts can be judged by that. Lewdness of lewd thoughts does not depend on perspective in Islam. Anyway, if there is the slightest possibility of someone seeing it, then the person is not guarding themselves by that tiny chance. If there is no chance, then it will suffice to say that it is entirely between you (your mindset and the intentions within) and Allah (SWT). I would say it is fine to talk about these things as a matter of principle, but to derive or introduce any suggestion or intention into the subject is not guarding one's modesty. Likewise it is not the responsiblity of any person to encourage anyone to walk around their house nude without a reason.
"O children of Adam! We have indeed sent down to you clothing to cover your shame, and for beauty and clothing that GUARDS , that is the best. This is of the communications of Allah that they may be mindful."
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Peace.
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Wasalam brother;
That is true, but it is still the thought/intention that counts. Thought leads to intention which leads to action, and acts can be judged by that. Lewdness of lewd thoughts does not depend on perspective in Islam. Anyway, if there is the slightest possibility of someone seeing it, then the person is not guarding themselves by that tiny chance. If there is no chance, then it will suffice to say that it is entirely between you (your mindset and the intentions within) and Allah (SWT). I would say it is fine to talk about these things as a matter of principle, but to derive or introduce any suggestion or intention into the subject is not guarding one's modesty. Likewise it is not the responsiblity of any person to encourage anyone to walk around their house nude without a reason.
"O children of Adam! We have indeed sent down to you clothing to cover your shame, and for beauty and clothing that GUARDS , that is the best. This is of the communications of Allah that they may be mindful."
726
Peace.
This is where you're wrong, i often think haram stuff on my mind that i don't intend doing.
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This is where you're wrong, i often think haram stuff on my mind that i don't intend doing.
The subject is masturbation and whether it is haram to do so after allowing yourself (unless you really can't stop) to think about it/dirty things leading you to do it. Nevertheless if you think about murdering someone or eating pork, unless you actually desire to do these things then naturally you will cease. If you still think of these things then either you have a problem/reason to think about it, or you are simply thinking about them for things to think about. In such a case it is no different to walking around one's house naked for no reason. It is neither halal nor haram according to my knowledge but they become so when the thoughts become intention which leads to action. Just remember it is all about intention, and if you do not have the intention then I can see no harm (nor benefit without a decent cause). This is not the case for masturbation with intent of enjoyment (as opposed to release/purification).
Peace.
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The subject is masturbation and whether it is haram to do so after allowing yourself (unless you really can't stop) to think about it/dirty things leading you to do it. Nevertheless if you think about murdering someone or eating pork, unless you actually desire to do these things then naturally you will cease. If you still think of these things then either you have a problem/reason to think about it, or you are simply thinking about them for things to think about. In such a case it is no different to walking around one's house naked for no reason. It is neither halal nor haram according to my knowledge but they become so when the thoughts become intention which leads to action. Just remember it is all about intention, and if you do not have the intention then I can see no harm (nor benefit without a decent cause). This is not the case for masturbation with intent of enjoyment (as opposed to release/purification).
Peace.
If you intend on masturbating, it is not haram. BUT if you intend on doing those stuff you thought while masturbating then it is.
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Honestly no offense but this convo doesn't make sense. Look at other versus guys. Like sexual misconduct, gazing at others, avoiding lewdness and the devil, remembering god etc. Only god knows the truth. It's a personal matter. We cannot conclude it is haram or halal unless we deduce this from something specific
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Wasalam brother;
That is true, but it is still the thought/intention that counts. Thought leads to intention which leads to action, and acts can be judged by that. Lewdness of lewd thoughts does not depend on perspective in Islam. Anyway, if there is the slightest possibility of someone seeing it, then the person is not guarding themselves by that tiny chance. If there is no chance, then it will suffice to say that it is entirely between you (your mindset and the intentions within) and Allah (SWT). I would say it is fine to talk about these things as a matter of principle, but to derive or introduce any suggestion or intention into the subject is not guarding one's modesty. Likewise it is not the responsiblity of any person to encourage anyone to walk around their house nude without a reason.
"O children of Adam! We have indeed sent down to you clothing to cover your shame, and for beauty and clothing that GUARDS , that is the best. This is of the communications of Allah that they may be mindful."
726
Peace.
Peace to you to Brother
Anyway, if there is the slightest possibility of someone seeing it, then the person is not guarding themselves by that tiny chance.
If the person who is not seeking attention and has sufficiently done enough to ensure privacy such as going to the toilet and locking the door, then I believe that they cannot be held responsible if somehow someone else can see or think about what they are doing in the toilet (this may be urinating, pooing, showering or even......masturbating)
Would you hold yourself responsible if you were in the toilet and somehow someone managed to break in the toilet EVEN THOUGH you had locked the toilet door? I would not as i would think it being unjust to myself. So long as the person who mangaged to get in the toilet did not do so with bad intentions, then i would not hold them responsible either.
Thought leads to intention which leads to action, and acts can be judged by that. Lewdness of lewd thoughts does not depend on perspective in Islam.
I actually think and have decided for now that thinking thoughts of a sexual nature, counts as coming near lewdness. Unless the individual whom you are having sexual thoughts about counts as your zawj or your ma malekat aymankum.
I would say it is fine to talk about these things as a matter of principle, but to derive or introduce any suggestion or intention into the subject is not guarding one's modesty. Likewise it is not the responsiblity of any person to encourage anyone to walk around their house nude without a reason
If you are referring to one of my earlier posts, then i did not intend to encourage anyone from walking around nude in their homes. I meant it as an example.
Salam
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This is where you're wrong, i often think haram stuff on my mind that i don't intend doing.
Kaiokenred peace
I remebered something. Technically you are advised to not come near lewdness. Thinking or watching sexual content (including CGI) is possibly coming near lewdness. You are meant to restrain your glance 2431 (or 30) and if you are thinking or watching sexual content that does not consist of your zawj or your MMA (ma malekat aymunkum) then I THINK you are coming near lewdness.
What do you say that! P
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Honestly no offense but this convo doesn't make sense. Look at other versus guys. Like sexual misconduct, gazing at others, avoiding lewdness and the devil, remembering god etc. Only god knows the truth. It's a personal matter. We cannot conclude it is haram or halal unless we deduce this from something specific
It is controversial but somethings can be sorted out in this topic with discussion.
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The subject is masturbation and whether it is haram to do so after allowing yourself (unless you really can't stop) to think about it/dirty things leading you to do it. Nevertheless if you think about murdering someone or eating pork, unless you actually desire to do these things then naturally you will cease. If you still think of these things then either you have a problem/reason to think about it, or you are simply thinking about them for things to think about. In such a case it is no different to walking around one's house naked for no reason. It is neither halal nor haram according to my knowledge but they become so when the thoughts become intention which leads to action. Just remember it is all about intention, and if you do not have the intention then I can see no harm (nor benefit without a decent cause). This is not the case for masturbation with intent of enjoyment (as opposed to release/purification).
Peace.
One question
This is not the case for masturbation with intent of enjoyment (as opposed to release/purification).
In your opinion and understanding of the Quran, is masturbation for pleasure haram if one does it with zero sexual content?
Peace
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If you intend on masturbating, it is not haram. BUT if you intend on doing those stuff you thought while masturbating then it is.
If you masturbate with intent to think about what masturbating makes you think about, then obviously you have no intent to actually do it but rather to enjoy the act in another fashion (i.e. turning the act of masturbation into a lewd act by thinking thoughts that are lewd and not to mention disrespectful to the woman if she is a believer (if she is not, will you call that good?)). How can you intend on doing the things you thought while masturbating if masturbating stems the urge (unless you go to do it but accidentally masturbate during the journey)?
Peace.
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In your opinion and understanding of the Quran, is masturbation for pleasure haram if one does it with zero sexual content?
Peace
It is not guarding your private parts (i.e. you are exposing yourself to your baser instincts at the expense of doing other things and thinking of more productive/higher thoughts regardless), and how could you enjoy masturbation without sexual enjoyment? It is like enjoying food that has not taste (unless you are enjoying it the same way you enjoy drinking water after being thirsty for ages (which we have covered)). If you enjoy it simply like one enjoys a massage, you will find it difficult to ignore the normal thoughts. It is not exactly a muscle that needs massaging and you will find that the only possible reason why someone might think of doing it each day is that they want the enjoyment which would otherwies be supplied by sex. All pleasures at the expense of remembering Allah (SWT) and His way are inclinations away from Islam (see 4712). Notice that I have never declared anything as haram, but rather looked at things as inadvisable or in terms of what direction (towards or away from Allah (SWT)) they face.
Peace.
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Notice that I have never declared anything as haram, but rather looked at things as inadvisable or in terms of what direction (towards or away from Allah (SWT)) they face.
Something good can go bad with time and vice versa unless it's pretty much black and white. You can't really make a blanket statement on grey areas saying oh yes this is definitely taking away from doing good in one's life. That's a really extreme pov and serves to solidify narrow mindedness when in actuality there should be plenty of tolerance in these places because of the huge diversity present in people, they way they think, their situations and how they can unfold etc. There's a far bigger picture at stake here than slippery slope if you touch yourself, there's no way but down, don't do it or else. Humans tend to do this, make things way more difficult for themselves than it has to be. Give too much importance to things that ultimately don't matter and can even be constructive in ways. Doesn't particularly need to be this topic, so many other things we have opinions about and tout around as facts. And of course at the same time, many don't even see that they are doing the same thing in other areas, we all have blind spots. Just some thoughts, take it as you will.
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If you masturbate with intent to think about what masturbating makes you think about, then obviously you have no intent to actually do it but rather to enjoy the act in another fashion (i.e. turning the act of masturbation into a lewd act by thinking thoughts that are lewd and not to mention disrespectful to the woman if she is a believer (if she is not, will you call that good?)). How can you intend on doing the things you thought while masturbating if masturbating stems the urge (unless you go to do it but accidentally masturbate during the journey)?
Peace.
Think about someone that doesn't exist or a fictional character... or no you gonna hurt their feelings &
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Kaiokenred peace
I remebered something. Technically you are advised to not come near lewdness. Thinking or watching sexual content (including CGI) is possibly coming near lewdness. You are meant to restrain your glance 2431 (or 30) and if you are thinking or watching sexual content that does not consist of your zawj or your MMA (ma malekat aymunkum) then I THINK you are coming near lewdness.
What do you say that! P
First, what the hell can lewdness do to you when you're alone?
Second, You restrain your glance from REAL people
Third, After orgasm even if you get 100 hottest girls in front of you naked you will ignore them.Stop trying to make everything hardcore, not you but even some others here, if its not explicitly prohibited, ITS NOT HARAM ( doesnt mean it is halal but not haram) Look at 732 and logic a little
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The meaning of 'haram' is open to debate.
But, essentially, it pertains to that which is not for the 'the plaza square'.
People who want to control what one does behind the tent flap, be it no harm to the world around them,
are simply misled and/or up to tricks.