Is Treating Allah as A God = Shirk ???
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Peace
I have been wondering if Allah=God or "The God" and we start worshipping Him instead of serving him for the benefit of fellow human and other creatures. If we equate Allah to God, doesn't that connote that Allah needs, to be worshipped? I am sure that any thinking person out there knows that a Creator of Everything does not need anything including worship. Let's see what Allah says about Himself and "SHIRK" in some verses.
"'Innan 'An Allhu L 'Ilha 'Ill 'An F`budn Wa 'Aqimi A-alata Lidhikr.
""Verily! I am Allah! La ilaha illa Ana (none has the right to be worshipped but I), so worship Me, and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) for My Remembrance..
I thought that by worshipping Allah, we are treating Him as a God of a religion who constantly needs to be worship and I fear that by doing so, Allah will not forgive me and will not guide me to the truth,and we know from the Qur'an that Allah does not forgive shirk.
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"Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with Him (in worship), but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He wills; and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin".
Please help clarify this question.
Peace
almarh0m
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We need to worship Allah. Allah doesn't need our worships, but we need to worship him so he rewards us well. Shirk is associating others with Allah, Allah is God, the only God, so its not Shirk saying Allah is God, even if Allah for some cases wasn't God but something else, its not your fault if you think so because the Quran says he is God and i don't know about translation thingy.
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Salaam,
"'Innan 'An Allhu L 'Ilha 'Ill 'An F`budn Wa 'Aqimi A-alata Lidhikr.
""Verily! I am Allah! La ilaha illa Ana (none has the right to be worshipped but I), so worship Me, and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) for My Remembrance..
"Budni" is a derivative of "Abd" that means servant, so it has to be translated as "So, serve Me" instead of "So, worship Me".
May Allah guide us all to His only path pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
Salaam almarh0m,
What is your definition of "God"? What is your definition of "Allah"?Peace
A god is an object of worship in any religion, one who requires constant praising and worship by its devotees. Worshippers of a god is forced (brain washed/indoctrinated) by their priest to please this so called deity who does not exist by doing various acts of rituals. This is clearly a "false god"fake deity as Qur'an 2;256 explains
"There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower. .
Allah is the real existence who does not need his creations to worship him, He doesn't compel us to do anything that we dont want to do and we have the choice to believe in His guidance or not. All gods are fake gods whose priests do scare people in order to control them. Allah is not a god but a unique force who is the creator of all things. Please see chapter 112 of The Qur'an.
"1 Say He is Allah, the One!
2 Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
3 He begetteth not nor was begotten.
4 And there is none comparable unto Him.".Peace
almarh0m
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I dont know arabic but having checked its use "budni" seems to refer to worhsip in pretty much every single case. You can check the link out if you like.
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=51&verse=56
http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?root=Ebd#(51566)Its irrelevant however to get into playing wordgames when it comes to this. In the quran it is mentioned countless of times that one is to praise God. The very first verse starts by sayind that "All praise is to God". To praise is to worship. To live and strive in his name is to worship. To pray to him and only him is to worship. To have him as the centre of your life and existance is to worhsip.
Worship of the lord and creator is something that comes naturally and is also very evident.Its not God who needs to be worshipped. It is us that need to worship him, that is our ultimate purpose and that is what actually gives us purpose if we are not to live for our own needs and desires like an animal.
It really baffles me why anyone would want to avoid worshipping God. Not only that, i find it... unsetteling... to say the least.
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Salaam,
I find it unsettling why anyone would want to worship a God, being by definition a fantasy of their mind, Allah never requests it, yet they corrupt and pervert the meanings of words to convert them in to worship, as if the personified god they have invented within their own mind has a 'God complex', requiring constant reassurance, pointless acts of blind devotion, resulting in metal stagnation, just to feel that his creation still loves him; I say 'him' as a female personification is called a goddess.
I ascribe this need to worship and pray to an outside authority as a failure to develop the mind to any point of reason, which is extremely unsettling!
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Peace
A god is an object of worship in any religion, one who requires constant praising and worship by its devotees. Worshippers of a god is forced (brain washed/indoctrinated) by their priest to please this so called deity who does not exist by doing various acts of rituals. This is clearly a "false god"fake deity as Qur'an 2;256 explains
"There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower. .
Allah is the real existence who does not need his creations to worship him, He doesn't compel us to do anything that we dont want to do and we have the choice to believe in His guidance or not. All gods are fake gods whose priests do scare people in order to control them. Allah is not a god but a unique force who is the creator of all things. Please see chapter 112 of The Qur'an.
"1 Say He is Allah, the One!
2 Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
3 He begetteth not nor was begotten.
4 And there is none comparable unto Him.".Peace
almarh0m
But Allah means the God
You can aswell say
The God is not god like those other false gods that don't exist, but a real unique existance who created everything.
But it is not shirk to treat Allah as a god
Shirk is to associate partners with Allah.
But you're not associating partners with Allah, you're believing Allah is God, omnipotent, omniscent, how is that shirk?
You still believe that Allah is one even if Allah wasn't god and you believe he's god, you're not doing shirk, you're not ASSOCIATING OTHERS with him.
Allah is God ( might not be real that Allah is god, but still not shirk because you're not associating anything)
Allah is God, ( and an example), Zeus is God( he is not just took it as an example) Now you're doing shirk, because you associate another (false) god with Allah.
Abdun Nur, you got no evidence or what so ever of what you're saying, of your opinion that Allah isn't God.
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Salaam Kaiokenred,
you are young, why are expressing your views as if you have any ability to apply reason to conclusion? When clearly you have not this ability, you should consider the very first statement people believe to be the prerequisite of becoming a Muslim, not a view I share, as you have to establish a correct Islamic way of existing in this world to be Muslim not the expressing of a statement. 'There is NO GOD.' The very foundation of Islam in the eyes of the religious, yet they all deny it to be true? Yes it would be a shirk to express Allah as being a God, you are attributing Allah to something within creation, a male personification, I have explained this to you previously, if you want to get clarification of this you should read the Qur'an, and stop reading the religious translations hiding it, filled with the lies of scholars, hadith and other implanted religions.
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Salaam Kaiokenred,
you are young, why are expressing your views as if you have any ability to apply reason to conclusion? When clearly you have not this ability, you should consider the very first statement people believe to be the prerequisite of becoming a Muslim, not a view I share, as you have to establish a correct Islamic way of existing in this world to be Muslim not the expressing of a statement. 'There is NO GOD.' The very foundation of Islam in the eyes of the religious, yet they all deny it to be true? Yes it would be a shirk to express Allah as being a God, you are attributing Allah to something within creation, a male personification, I have explained this to you previously, if you want to get clarification of this you should read the Qur'an, and stop reading the religious translations hiding it, filled with the lies of scholars, hadith and other implanted religions.
Present your proof, thats all i need, i saw nothing truthfully on your website, doesn't matter how young I am, i have more mind abilities then you( and then the majority of people), deal with that. If you bring decent proof then i might change my opinion, what made me more think you're theories were not right was this There is no god, there is only what is not god. I mean wth... And it is not SHIRK, shirk is ASSOCIATING OTHERS, im not associating others, i just view Allah as a god the way it was revealed to me, i can't be guilty for it. I don't view The REAL God as a man, but as the Creator, that is everywhere around us, has no beginning and no end, The Almighty, in control of everything , but you present Allah as just a single concioncses ( cba to write that in the good way ) but as nothing more, without a mind.
p.s Your opinions about how a God is are just like polytheist views.
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Salaam Kaiokenred,
sadly not, if you can not apply reason nothing I could present would make any impact upon your confusions, I will leave you to yourself, good luck.
Oh relli?
Transliteration
Am kuntum shuhadaa ith hadarayaAAqooba almawtu ith qala libaneehi mataAAbudoona min baAAdee qaloo naAAbudu ilahakawa-ilaha aba-ika ibraheema wa-ismaAAeelawa-ishaqa ilahan wahidan wanahnu lahumuslimoonSahih International
Or were you witnesses when death approached Jacob, when he said to his sons, "What will you worship after me?" They said, "We will worship your God and the God of your fathers, Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac - one God. And we are Muslims to Him." 2133 -
Salaam kaiokenred,
I'll point out once again for you, as you don't seem to grasp simple ideas, the existing common translations are fairly worthless, even a simple examination of the lexicons demonstrates they bear no resemblance to the real meanings, that's without considering the corruptions of the rules of grammar, they are in addition infected with the corruptions of religions like Christianity and Judaism, a prime example of that corruption is evidenced in the verse you have picked to demonstrate your ignorance. As I say good luck with your religious confusions.
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Salaam kaiokenred,
I'll point out once again for you, as you don't seem to grasp simple ideas, the existing common translations are fairly worthless, even a simple examination of the lexicons demonstrates they bear no resemblance to the real meanings, that's without considering the corruptions of the rules of grammar, they are in addition infected with the corruptions of religions like Christianity and Judaism, a prime example of that corruption is evidenced in the verse you have picked to demonstrate your ignorance. As I say good luck with your religious confusions.
Dude that was from arabic, Ilah means God doesn't it? What are you gonna come up now with, a new meaning of Ilah, like what is not god or something? And why does the Quran tell us Abraham was always a MONOtheist, if Quran tells us to regard Allah as Who is not god also?
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Salaam
Allah is the real existence
I have yet to arrive at an independent understanding of what Allah is. inshAllah, I will one day figure it out... but I am constantly surprised & shocked that many people here already have it all figured out!! How are you all so confident what Allah is or is not?
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Allah is the Fountain-Head of physical and spiritual light illuminating the heavens and the earth. His light is beyond all comparison, (to be perceived by the human mind), it may be likened to the radiance emitting from a lustrous recess where a lamp stands enclosed in a glass tube or encased in glass featuring extraordinary brilliance as if it were an extra ordinary bright star lit by spiritual invisible combustion from a blessed tree, an olive tree (an ancient emblem of peace) standing in the open, never lost to view. It is not confined to the east nor to the west. Its oil almost emits light although not touched by a flame. Majestic light superimposed upon splendorous light attendant upon a manifestation of Allah Who attracts to His spiritual light whom He will, and Allah discourses to people parables by which moral and spiritual relations are typically set forth, and He is 'Alimun of all things.2435
God is the Light of the heavens and the Earth. The example of His light is like a concave mirror within a lamp, the lamp is within a glass, the glass is like a radiant planet, which is lit from a blessed olive tree that is neither of the east nor of the west, its oil nearly gives off light even if not touched by fire. Light upon light, God guides to His light whom He pleases. And God sets forth parables for mankind, and God is aware of all things.2435
God is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The parable of His light is, as it were, " or "indicating a metaphor". In the above context it alludes to the impossibility of defining God even by means of a metaphor or a parable - for, since "there is nothing like unto Him" (4211, there is also "nothing that could he compared with Him" 1124. Hence, the parable of "the light of God" is not meant to express His reality - which is inconceivable to any created being and, therefore, inexpressible in any human language - but only to allude to the illumination which He, who is the Ultimate Truth, bestows upon the mind and the feelings of all who are willing to be guided. Tabari, Baghawi and lbn Kathir quote Ibn Abbas and lbn Masud as saying in this context "It is the parable of His light in the heart of a believer."] that of a niche containing a lamp; the lamp is in glass, the glass like a radiant star like a radiant star" for it is through reason alone that true faith can find its way into the heart of man.] lit from a blessed tree - an olive-tree that is neither of the east nor of the west - the oil whereof would well-nigh give light even though fire had not touched it light upon light! and clearly showing the truth" (cf. note on 121) and it is, I believe, this aspect of the Quran that the above sentence alludes to. Its message gives light because it proceeds from God; but it would well-nigh give light even though fire had not touched it" i.e., even though one may be unaware that it has been "touched by the fire" of divine revelation, its inner consistency, truth and wisdom ought to be self-evident to anyone who approaches it in the light of his reason and without prejudice.] God guides unto His light him that wills ; and God propounds parables unto men, since God has full knowledge of all things.More translations of 2435
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Salaam
I have yet to arrive at an independent understanding of what Allah is. inshAllah, I will one day figure it out... but I am constantly surprised & shocked that many people here already have it all figured out!! How are you all so confident what Allah is or is not?
Peace
Keep striving to know what Allah is through effort, patience and prayers (sincerely from your heart and mind), Allah who created you it is he who will guide you to Himself. Why are you so surprised and shocked to see some people are so certain about Allah? We come to know Allah through using our logic and reasons and through studying The Qur'an and other important subjects that affect our everyday life, be an observer of Allah's creations and reflect on them. Understanding of Allah with knowledge and wisdom does not come overnight. Knowledge alone isn't sufficient, we need life experiences to attain wisdom.
Peace be on you
almarh0m
p.s. By "Prayers" I do not mean The Bendover kind of Prayers.
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Yeah right, gimme a break. You saying that after having read the Quran one does not have a good bearing on who the creator of the universe is and expects from you? And than further as if things were SO very unclear im supposed to apply further reason and logic because clearly i have no clue of what im doing?
So many discussions leaning towards this type of promotion of "faith". Its becoming ridiculous.
And its not even like i didnt have a decent bearing on the concept of the creator even when i used to be a clueless atheist, for that matter.
And "Abd"un Nur, you.... ooh you... youre quite the piece of work arent you? I dont know who you are behind that little avatar facade of yours but you really and i mean really give me the vibes. Ill tell you what though. We are all converging on the inevitable truth. As such sooner or later and rather sooner, we are all bound to find out everyting arent we? Your kind in particular are the ones id like to see faring on the day of days.
I pray to God for justice in all things and i love him for the wonderful way in which he brings out the truth in all of us.Good luck trying to "figure" out God. Id rather spend my life, having been blessed with his guidance so far, in striving as much as i can towards him.
Whats the point anyway in "knowing", if you dont put that into some use in spirit and worship?Btw, Kaiokenred, i really admire your faith and reason for such an early age my young bro. If i look back at myself at that age id stand out as quite the trash in contrast. Keep going on that path throughout your life my brother dont let go. May God bless you and hold you firm.
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Salaam Halil,
faith, the blind belief in something without reason or evidence, as you need not have faith in what is proved to be true, that would be firm belief, when you have spent a life time in blind faith, yes we shall see who is the one based in reason and the one based in fantasy. I wish you luck with religion, it has no place in Islam, even the Qur'an tells you that, but faith in traditions and religions blinding all invested in it, and drives all reason from the mind.
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Peace
I have been wondering if Allah=God or "The God" and we start worshipping Him instead of serving him for the benefit of fellow human and other creatures. If we equate Allah to God, doesn't that connote that Allah needs, to be worshipped?
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what's in a name? as shakespare said.. Allah, God, YHVH, Ahura Mazda, Tao, Brahman... you can name Him anyway you wanted..
And God doesn't need to be worshiped...I am sure that any thinking person out there knows that a Creator of Everything does not need anything including worship. Let's see what Allah says about Himself and "SHIRK" in some verses.
SHIRK = Abandoning / Forsaking, in this context it will be abandoning/forsaking your commandment / due duty..
Abdu/Budu = SERVING and not worshipping..
SALAT = Duty due / Commandment and not "The ritualized praying"..Again God doesn't need to be worshiped... in fact he doesn't ask any of you for anything..
He only 'recommend / suggest' certain actions / attitude to you for your own good/gain not for His own good/gain..God created everything for His purpose and accordingly with the plan..and those who are not 'aligned' with His future plan shall be eliminated.. we recognized it as "Natural Selection".. For homo sapiens the law applied is "The Survival Of The Nicest"..
Salam / Peace
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NO..
what's in a name? as shakespare said.. Allah, God, YHVH, Ahura Mazda, Tao, Brahman... you can name Him anyway you wanted..
And God doesn't need to be worshiped...As Allah said
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7180 And to Allah belong the most beautiful names, so call Him by them; and leave alone those who deviate His names. They will be punished for what they used to do.
May Allah guide us all to His only path pr
Mohammed M. Khan