Its been a while...
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Its been a while since I came here... over 5 years in fact. I re-read some of my old posts and I realized I was kind of just desperate to talk to someone who understood how I felt... even if I had nothing real to say. Life changes and people grow.
I'm now having a serious problem relating to Muslims in my area. My husband was brough up Muslim though he doesn't practice and he keeps warning me that I'm going to get myself in trouble. He is proud that I can pray in Arabic and have read the Qur'an but he has no faith in 'religion'. He's afraid to go and meet with others, not only because he might not know what he's doing, but because he's worried I'm going to draw a lot of undesired attention with my specific beliefs.
But I'm seriously confused. How in God's name are you supposed to hold up the Sunnah next to the Qur'an? How are you supposed to keep following the same rushing river everyone else rides? The Sunnah isn't even sold in bookstores. But then again, why stand out like this to be crushed? I fear ran through me the other day that I might be the one trying to lead 'others' astray. They are the majority... people who believe in mainstream Islam and perform all the same daily routines.
What's right? I'd love to hear from someone who has had similar problems.
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Maybe I was a bit confusing in my plea. I'll just put it in simple terms as best I can.
If you believe in only having the Qur'an as your guide to Islam (which I do), how do you go about relating to other Muslims who hold onto the hadiths as well? What do you do if you stand out? Should you try to stand out? Should you even try to connect with them? What's the best manners to use should a difference of belief come up?
A part of me is very confused over my faith at the moment. I have faith and I know it feels right to me, but I still think I'm doing something wrong at the same time. Like I'm struggling against a flow of a river and wondering why am I trying to accomplish going against it at all.
I hope someone can help.
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I would suggest not actively doing anything at present with others, and build on your knowledge. There will come a time when you will feel more confident in what you believe and the way you interact with others would be guided by it. When in doubt, just follow basics.
In my experience, if a topic comes up that I disagree with, I will either ask questions that may make others think or depending on the people around me at that moment alternatively, either not say anything or point out what I think is wrong with their reasoning. It's all very dynamic. I don't go out there missionary style trying to change people's thinking, we have plenty of opportunities in daily life without needing to do that imo.
If you do stand out, you can try to mitigate any damage if you feel that's necessary, nothing wrong in that. Just play it by ear, things sort themselves out. It's about the journey at the end of the day, one day at a time and all.
Peace.
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Salaam,
Maybe I was a bit confusing in my plea. I'll just put it in simple terms as best I can.
If you believe in only having the Qur'an as your guide to Islam (which I do), how do you go about relating to other Muslims who hold onto the hadiths as well? What do you do if you stand out? Should you try to stand out? Should you even try to connect with them? What's the best manners to use should a difference of belief come up?
A part of me is very confused over my faith at the moment. I have faith and I know it feels right to me, but I still think I'm doing something wrong at the same time. Like I'm struggling against a flow of a river and wondering why am I trying to accomplish going against it at all.
I hope someone can help.
I suggest you to keep hold AlQuraan tightly and seek Allah's help on each step. He is the all Listener and Knower, so He will help you in the best, inshaAllah.
No need to get confuse, look at the following
6116
6116 And if you obey most of those on the earth they will lead you away from the path of Allah; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.
Remember, they will lead you away from the PATH OF ALLAH.
In order to stand out against hadiths followers, please have a look at
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602106.msg273631#msg273631May Allah guide us all to His only path pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
I feel lost between a secular-modernist vs traditional-sunnah debate. I can not relate to neither side. Been reading Quran translations for about 5 years now and learning Arabic for more profound understanding.
If you believe what you do is correct and approved by Allah, you have to stand for it. You have to trust Allah and ask for his help. Even if all mankind joins forces, they are nothing compared to Allah. Quran has stories of prophets fighting against mainstream behaviour. For everything good, there is a price to be paid.
For things that surpass your power just accept them the way they are and ask for forgiveness from Allah for your mistakes. Everyone is different and everyone is responsible for themselves in the end.
You can try to find friends who think and feel like you. But it is not that easy. Be patient.
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I feel lost between a secular-modernist vs traditional-sunnah debate. I can not relate to neither side. Been reading Quran translations for about 5 years now and learning Arabic for more profound understanding.
If you believe what you do is correct and approved by Allah, you have to stand for it. You have to trust Allah and ask for his help. Even if all mankind joins forces, they are nothing compared to Allah. Quran has stories of prophets fighting against mainstream behaviour. For everything good, there is a price to be paid.
For things that surpass your power just accept them the way they are and ask for forgiveness from Allah for your mistakes. Everyone is different and everyone is responsible for themselves in the end.
You can try to find friends who think and feel like you. But it is not that easy. Be patient.
Secular and religious are allies one to the other
secular = hypocrisy
religious = delludedwhy do I say that ? for one major reason
in ly country for exemple, the frensh ( secular ) Colonised the country for 130 years , that is what they told us , in that period of time, they wrote the hadiths books, historyof Islam etc...
the british did in Egypt and other countries, secular regime colonised the world before the 18th century, they applied the true quran as administrative system, Congress comes from congregation, jumuaa , and they told us jumuaa is a rituel, parliements = Sawamii , and they told us Sawamii is minaret. etc... the secular of modern time are the creators of religions so they reign over an ignorant world..religious is a new word created by secular states , to promote myths, because myths weren't accepted by the older world order , reigned by Islam. no religion was accepted, and they translated the word DEEN as religion, even though DEEN = DUE , what we owe the Law, and many verses talks about deen between people as due.
now the quran is corrupt by secular states, and this corruption is adopted by greedy religious and ignorant so called scholars.
the history is too dark, that no one dares expose it, even the one who knows it, so the best is to keep open mind, and learn as much as you can, and live your life according to the best of your understanding of the Book. wich in reality , it's name is not the Quran.
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Thank you everyone. I really appreciate the responses. I think I'll do as you suggested, Savage Carrot. Though I'm not always sure where I'm going to find more knowledge without learning from someone, it's probably best if I try to keep to myself for the time being until I feel more solid in my knowledge on the faith I hold dear to.
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Dear Siater Pamukkale,
Why do you think 'knowledge should come from outside'
I am sure you'd have read the quran verse 'rabbi zidni ilma'
Try and study Quran as much as you can and contemplate on versus that particularly catches your attention. You will start understanding things in a new light.
'HE giveth wisdom unto whom HE will, and HE unto whom wisdom is given, he really hath received abandond good'
God bless you.
Br. Yushua
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I feel lost between a secular-modernist vs traditional-sunnah debate. I can not relate to neither side. Been reading Quran translations for about 5 years now and learning Arabic for more profound understanding.
If you believe what you do is correct and approved by Allah, you have to stand for it. You have to trust Allah and ask for his help. Even if all mankind joins forces, they are nothing compared to Allah. Quran has stories of prophets fighting against mainstream behaviour. For everything good, there is a price to be paid.
For things that surpass your power just accept them the way they are and ask for forgiveness from Allah for your mistakes. Everyone is different and everyone is responsible for themselves in the end.
You can try to find friends who think and feel like you. But it is not that easy. Be patient.
The Koran is not secular or modernist. It is a religious scriptures and refers to itself as such. It came down 14 centuries ago. There is nothing modernist about it in fact the Koran spans all time. Its not something new in fact the Koran is the religion of Adam and Noah.
The difference between the Koran and Sunnah has to do with many things among them the concept of justice, freedom and authority. The Sunnah represents to me the ideas, desires and experiences of the Arab dynasties in the first two centuries of Islam. It represents the cultural, political and philosophical evolution of Arab societies during the first two centuries of Islam and the attempt to create a theocracy to compete with the Byzantinian and counter any Jewish influence. It relied on influences from pre Islamic paganism, Zoroastrian, Byzantinian and finally Judaism to forumulate a theocracy that would help unify and strengthen the political grip of the Abbasid Empire. The Sunnah is what gave these dictatorships their religious authority.
The Koran as we know allowed the prophet limited authority. These verses of the Koran were abrogated by the sects precisley because a dictatorship relies on absolute authority with god like authority. The authority of what to do with prisoners of war is a very important distinction between the Koran and the Sunnah and shows the real difference between the two religious sources. Freedom of religion is another important distinction. Because freedom is attached to authority, once you give anyone absolute authority you are going to have a dictatorship. In the Sunnah the ruler has divine powers like the Pharoah.
Not so in the Koran. To pull it off, the sects had to first transfer that absolute power and authority (authority to punish and reward and judge etc) from God to the prophet. Then from the prophet its easy to transfer that authority to the 4 Caliphs. Now it can go to Mullah Omar and Omar al Bashir and Al Saud. But the sects had to first transfer that authority from God to the prophet. To do that they had to abrogate the verses of the Koran had allows the prophet limited authority. The authority to preach and warn but not to enforce or coerce and subjicate. The authority to go to war for defensive purposes only. These limited authority exists in the Koran because to prevent dictatorship and oppression. But the sects have abrogated these verses.
The real debate is about authority. God versus the ruler.
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I always think.. how would you like to be treated?
with some people you can involve them in your life more than others. that's how it is with everyone. it's not a necessity to associate yourself with people you're not comfy with.
not everyone is open minded to hearing different perspectives. it challenges their belief and it's a "threat". that can be frightening, people may not want to consider.
differences exist even amongst people of the same beliefs.
i think it's normal for people to question and ponder their beliefs. as we grow we learn and we change. sometimes without even noticing.
learning knowledge for yourself is a great suggestion savage carrot made. own studies is good as you can form your own opinions and bias rather than swaying with what you hear from others. i guess it's normal to want to be reassured, to feel you haven't been alienated or deviant or just to know the unknown.
peace